Masadaverse Explanation Page Revision 2

[SleepyTBubble]

Thanks for your help, Rav. Sorry for not helping as much as I could in the server.


I completely agree with the changes.

It's okay. I didn't do anything at all

 

[Ravenous4th]

>didn't do anything at all.

Oh really? :eyes:

Might as well consider this a stealth bump.

 

[SleepyTBubble]

Wtd did i do? Was i sleeptalking to you all this time? Smh

 

[Elizhaa]

I think there should enough inputs get the revision started soon; personally, I don't mind for waiting more.

 

[Ravenous4th]

I have actually asked few other staff members to come. I believe that we require a bit more input before applying the change - even if Ant says it's fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

Sure, there is no problem. I don't mind the wait, Ravenous.

 

[-BANLK-]

I was not sure of 1-A masada before but after going through the scans and explanations I can get behind this upgrade, heck I personally think Hajun is tier 0.

 

[DarkLK]

So, if I understand correctly, everyone here agrees that:

• Any Tai Taikyoku/Taiji is High 1-A by default;
• Hajun is... high High 1-A,

right?

 

[Ravenous4th]

Yes, that is correct. What are your thoughts?

 

[DarkLK]

If I understand correctly, then you want to represent the cosmological structure in this way:

1. Dimensional hierarchy
2. Singularity depth (Ðüorresponds to the inner depth of any God on the throne, including Hajun, and therefore can be an infinite hierarchy) - starts from 1-A
3. Throne (base for Gods) - starts from high 1-A
4. Taikyoku/Taiji hierarchy - various degrees of high 1-A up to infinity/"close" to tier 0

right?

Well, only the part about the singularity causes me some doubts, but I do not have the contextual knowledge to confirm or refute that, so that I am neutral on this issue.

I am just clarifying that everyone understands what exactly we are talking about here (not about 1-A, but about high 1-A).

 

[Ravenous4th]

I think so. Yes. I'll add you to "neutral", then.

Thank you for your input.

 

[Andytrenom]

I don't know what a number of the scans say due to lack of translation, so I don't think I can give any confident assessment here

I would appreciate if you can give a translation for the specific scan that proves all concepts originating from Taikyou

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

If I'm remembering correctly. Mercurius' Singularity was an infinite 1-A hierarchy. Stronger Hadou God's would be deeper.

 

[Rocker1189]

I agree with this, also for Ren's ability, I believe that we need a new page for an ability called stasis or something similar. This is for abilities that seem like time stop but are not actually time stop, I have been thinking of this ever since we had a Bard page and no power fit what he actually does.

 

[Antvasima]

If we are upgrading the characters that high, I am more uncertain. You can place me in the neutral section instead.

 

[Ravenous4th]

@Antvasima

Will do right away.

@Andytrenom

it is my fault for not providing a translation in that part. I apologize.

Here are the translations provided by ALRF

In the first one:

Õñ¬µÑÁ――ÚÖ░ÚÖ¢ÚüôÒü½ÒüèÒüæÒéïõ©çþë®Òü«ÕàâÕºïÒüºÒüéÒéèÒÇüÕ«çÕ«ÖÒü«õ©¡Õ┐âþé╣ÒéƵîçÒüÖµªéÕ┐Á

Taikyoku--Origin of all things in Onmyoudou (Way of Yin and Yang), concept pointing to the nucleus of the universe.

In the second one:

õ©çþë®Òü«ÕàâÕºïÒü½Òü»þÀÅÒüªÒü«õ║ïÞ▒íÒü«ÕàâÒüîÒüéÒéïÒéåÒüêÒÇüÒüØÒüôÒü½ÞºªÒéîÒéîÒü░ÒüéÒéëÒéåÒéïþƒÑÒü¿ÕèøÒéÆÕ╝òÒüìÕç║ÒüøÒéïÒÇéþÀÅÒüªÒéƵéƒÒéèÒÇüþÀÅÒüªÒéƵêÉÒüøÒéï

To draw power and grasp the knowledge of everything, the source of all phenomena and the origin of all things. To see all and do all.

 

[Andytrenom]

Well, the first statement just calls Taikyou itself a concept and the second doesn't mention concepts explicitly

If knowledgeable members deem the evidence enough for the ratings I have no problem, but just based off the evidence I'm seeing I wouldn't be able to lend my support

Put me in neutral I guess

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I agree with the OP

 

[Ravenous4th]

@Andy There are more scans and implications, here should be one of them that explicitly mention such thing.

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Only those who have reached Emanation can enter this place and create new concepts.

And aside from that concept creation statement, we also have this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616984663654662185/unknown.png

Again, I apologize for not highlighting such scan or including it in the thread.

 

[Andytrenom]

Okay that's cleared up

I would still prefer to stay neutral though

 

[Ravenous4th]

That is fine. Will do right away.

 

[Lavtop]

I do not know the verse, but I read all of it because it was very well written and by checking the tiering system I agree with your Thread, just if you want to count my opinion; I do not know if you can after my admission of not knowing the verse, just basing on the requirements of the tier, but I agree

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I agree with this too

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Stuff related to the "canvas" and Singularity and such were, quite honestly, confusing on a great level at first.

I feel unsatisfied still with my general understanding of it, but I feel confident enough to say I agree with what is being stated at least. Is good to have more backing the tiers.

 

[Antvasima]

Somebody should probably ask Sera EX, Agnaa, and Promestein to comment here.

 

[Ravenous4th]

I will, thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks. No problem.

 

[Ravenous4th]

I have asked them off-site. Hopefully, they will come.

 

[Promestein]

Just on the 1-A explanations in the OP, I don't have the energy to go through and analyze the rest.

And all I have to say there is that being incapable of reaching a higher dimension normally or with ordinary attacks is not evidence of infinite superiority of said dimension.

 

[Antvasima]

@Promestein

Thank you for helping out.

 

[SleepyTBubble]

Just on the 1-A explanations in the OP, I don't have the energy to go through and analyze the rest.

And all I have to say there is that being incapable of reaching a higher dimension normally or with ordinary attacks is not evidence of infinite superiority of said dimension.

It's because the relation is the same as the whole "reality-picture" interaction.

 

[Ravenous4th]

That would be the case. Fortunately, Masada also includes reality-picture interaction within it - adding up to the claim above in describing difference between dimensions.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615909199544713380/616987344838459417/latest.png

"Even though the picture can't affect reality, reality is fully capable of destroying it"

EDIT: Prome said she's fine with being "Neutral" - off-site

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I have pretty much the same thoughts as Promestein.

 

[Ravenous4th]

@DarkDragonMedeus As in, neutral?

Next post is going to be my last one for today, by the way.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, you can write me as neutral at least for now.

 

[PsychoWarper]

I feel that we've had enough responses from users (mainly staff) and have waited long enough, so is this ready to be implemented yet or shall we wait longer?

 

[Ionliosite]

I was not sure of 1-A masada before but after going through the scans and explanations I can get behind this upgrade, heck I personally think Hajun is tier 0.

Hajun couldn't be Tier 0, remember Naraku exists.

 

[Nepuko]

After the Tier revisions, I think it's possible to have numerous Tier 0s in the same verse.

 

[Maxnumb231]

let me just say this, if all gods were to be h igh 1-A hajun cant be tier 0... reason being he still uses the same power source as t he gods even IF he breaks the taiji scaling, he still uses it as his main thing to be unfathomably higher than the rest.

 

[Eganergo]

The main reason Hajun can't be tier 0 is because he was defeated by Habaki.