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Marvel Tiering Adjustments

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I've been seeing discussions around here that some of Marvel's current rankings are spread a little too far apart from each other, mainly in reference to the 5-A and High 6-C tierings. Main discussion about this was here, and I thought I'd make a TL;DR version for simplicity's sake since i'd also like to get this sorted.

Essentially the solution was to simply upgrade the majority up to 5-A, but this was deemed far to unreasonable and so a compromise up to High 6-A (based on Iron Man's feat) was also suggested. I suppose deciding which side is more reasonable should be decided here.


There was also talk there of discarding Grey Hulk's meteor shattering feat as an outlier. If this is the case then there are a few 5-B feats to scale off of, namely from Umbra, Basilisk, and Spectrum. Cyclops has also stated himself that he can fire off an optic blast powerful enough to rip a small planet in half, which seems to lean closer to the 5-B end.

Personally, I'm fine keeping the current ranking, but I also acknowledge that there is far more evidence for 5-B than 5-A, and the 5-A feat in question is fairly old as well, and may be outdated.


Another issue brought up was about Iron Man's tiering. Simply put, there was simply no way to scale Tony above his currently recorded feats, given that at least two of them indicate that level to be the absolute peak of each respective suit, whether it be nothing outside of the Silver Centurion's full powered missile could do anything against this mountain, and Tony needed to push all power to his shields to survive this explosion, and even then came out pretty banged up after the fact

Essentially while the majority of the High 6-C's would be scaled up, most of Iron Man's armors should remain where he is given the circumstances.


And.....I think that's about it for now, at least of the important stuff. If there's anything else that needs to be discussed, feel free to add anything below.
 
5-A is okay to keep IMHO since the Thing's durability has a feat of 2 yottatons.
 
Just saw it, wonder why we don't scale off of that instead of relying on Grey Hulk's feat.

Anyway yeah I'm fine keeping 5-A as well.
 
Hmmmm, thought he used the Grey Hulk feat solely.

But given that Things feat was 2 Yottatons vs Grey Hulk's 86, which end is more reliable scaling wise, or does it even matter?
 
Personally I'm more in favor of 5-B rather than 5-A. Especially since the Thing wouldn't have been exposed to Ego's entire KE and the Grey Hulk feat comes from a strange comic that's never brought up again.
 
Looking over the calc again 2.02 Yottatons is simply the yield of the explosion, the calc'er even admits he doesn't know how much of the explosion Thing actually took. May in fact be another point in the 5-B area.
 
By the way, regardless of whether 5-A or B is accepted, we also need to discuss where the current High 6-C's should scale to, whether that be Tier 5 or simply High 6-A
 
Maybe it's slightly off topic but...

1. Now that you don't have to be omnipotent to be tier 0, there's no point of having a second key for TOAA

2. Phoenix Force should be changed to unknown since we have no idea about its power level, it could be galactus level, eternity level, LT level, higher than LT level, another aspect of TOAA, I don't think it neatly fits into a tiering system.
 
Yes. It is better to take up such issues elsewhere.
 
I agree that Iron Man's various suits should remain where they are. For his Mark 45 suit, his High 6-A feat was something he could just barely do. And his previous suits are that aren't Hulk Buster are obviously much weaker than that. And 99% of characters higher than Tier 6 pretty much hold back against Iron Man. I'm fine with the 5-A characters getting downgraded to 5-B. But what proposed High 6-C characters would be upgraded and why?

Looking at the previous thread, making so many characters Tier 5 was iffy, but there was a big gap between High 6-C and Tier 5 in which the High 6-A feat could scale to some characters.
 
@Medeus

Thank you for helping out.

Also, somebody should probably inform Kepekley23 about this thread. He is technically mostly inactive now, but he has expressed an interest in solving this specific issue in the past.
 
Thank you. Please describe the issue briefly to him.
 
Well, we need to figure out which characters that should be adjusted, and based on what calculation.
 
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Well Carol's tier needs an adjustment it seems...
What about Carol's feat here? Cosmic Ghost Rider also seemed way more powerful than Thor or Amped She Hulk. Only when they combined their powers they managed to hurt him a bit.

Also this seems to also back up the claim that Galactus Heralds are 4B.
 
Shouldn't current Thor be low Multiverse level for beating Odin ? He's also the current skyfather. Cosmic Ghost rider was implied to be somewhat comparable to Death since he said something along the lines that he'd be coming for her next
 
@Whis That's a massive outlier. It can basically make Juggernaut and the rest of 4-Bs low Multiversal via chain scaling

@General: I agree with the concerne as brought up by DDM need to be addressed, and don't really have anything else substantial to add in the matter
 
Zark2099 said:
@Whis That's a massive outlier. It can basically make Juggernaut and the rest of 4-Bs low Multiversal via chain scaling
@General: I agree with the concerne as brought up by DDM need to be addressed, and don't really anything else substantial to add in the matter
Has Thor fought any 4Bs recently ?
 
He fought Juggernaut in the first issue of that series... and can fight off with Frost Giants and Dark Elves comparitively due to the War of the Worlds tie-in, which basically upgrades every asgardian to an extent. We shouldn't be upgrading a character based on potrayals at the time since they'd eventually be eother dropped, or ignored, since Marvel isn't a single narrative
 
Zark2099 said:
He fought Juggernaut in the first issue of that series... and can fight off with Frost Giants and Dark Elves comparitively due to the War of the Worlds tie-in, which basically upgrades every asgardian to an extent. We shouldn't be upgrading a character based on potrayals at the time since they'd eventually be eother dropped, or ignored, since Marvel isn't a single narrative
Juggernaut has always been impossible to scale properly. We've seen him resist a 1A being for God's sake. Maybe these frost giants are also skyfather-tier or maybe the outlier is only restricted to them !

Thor is the allfather of asgard, he should be at this level.

Also, Death did take CGR's threat seriously IIRC. And King Thanos considered him a powerful lieutenant. I see no problem with at least 2C for him.
 
We should still wait until we get more consistent feats of him to be at that level.

Also, was this the same Thor in the Avengers comic run? Because if it was, boy do we have a massive problem of him definitely being 4-B
 
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