Marvel: Spectrum Rework

[The_Impress]

Revising this old ass page using RTs

• Change the page name to Monica Rambeau (Marvel Comics), she goes through too many names for the page to be an alias
• Transformation speed scan: Transforms from light waves, to microwaves, to radio waves, to X-Ray, all within a blink of the eye
• Shapeshifting (Can make alterations in her light form to resemble others)
• Size Manipulation, from Small Size (At most Type 3) to Large Size (Type 2)
• Creation (?) (Able to send small parts of herself and control them from a distance)
• Immunity to Radiation(?) Radiations are unable to affect her light forma
• Invisibility scan: Here
• Photographic Memory and Cosmic Awareness (As explained here. Use of Cosmic Awareness here)
• Limited Mind Manipulation (Can link people's minds as neural electricity)
• Heat Manipulation (Can transform into dielectric heat and fry her victim's organs)
• Explosion Creation (As shown here)
• Energy Absorption scan: Absorbed all the energies of a wormhole, and absorbs the blasts of Blue Marvel and Captain Marvel simultaneously
• Fusionism (Can fuse with others)
• Acrobatics and Martial Arts (Has received training from Captain America)
• Self-Evident shit to add:
  • Light Manipulation
  • Radiation Manipulation
  • Electricity Manipulation
  • Energy Projection
  • Inorganic Physiology in lightforms
• Attack Potency and Durability:
  • The core principle here is that her physicals in Light Form are different than her base physicals
  • Her base physicals should be 9-C, She can punch people hard enough to crack walls
  • No one in the entire verse is 5-B, no need to invent new tiers. Her Attack Potency in her light forms should be switched to 5-A, since she can consistently harm Namor and Hercules on an earth setting
  • Her durability in light forms should be left unknown
• Lifting Strength: Just default her to Athletic Human

 

[Tllmbrg]

Sure this works

 

[Confluctor]

Agree.

Tho not sure about the creation one.


Also shouldn't she get a speed upgrade (at least combat one)? She has been able to trade blows with some fast people.

 

[The_Impress]

Idk what else do you list that as, it's definitely worth listing :v

Also @Antvasima semi-important rework due to renewed interest in the character, need input

 

[The_Impress]

Also shouldn't she get a speed upgrade (at least combat one)? She has been able to trade blows with some fast people.

Meh... she also has some very blatant antifeats for them, like I remember she was noted far slower than America Chavez

 

[Confluctor]

Idk what else do you list that as

I have a feeling others will suggest energy manipulation

it's definitely worth listing

Indeed. It's pretty cool ability

 

[Confluctor]

Meh... she also has some very blatant antifeats for them, like I remember she was noted far slower than America Chavez

Oof alright then

 

[The_Impress]

Also if anyone can find like, better tiering suggestions for her feel free to, the RT I was using can very well be biased.

 

[Antvasima]

Meh... she also has some very blatant antifeats for them, like I remember she was noted far slower than America Chavez

I think that Monica once viewed Chavez in slow-motion when moving at full speed.

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this? Would somebody be willing to verify the scans please?

 

[Dalesean027]

I agree to this I've visited her page serval times and felt it was missing things just from how dated it was

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Agreed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This looks alright

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this?

Nothing until the feats are sourced.

 

[Everywhereman]

Her page should also be altered to say HUMAN MUTATE since it says human mutant rn

 

[Antvasima]

Nothing until the feats are sourced.

Good point.

 

[The_Impress]

I think that Monica once viewed Chavez in slow-motion when moving at full speed.

No actually she was seeing her in SoL while going max speed, and everything else what at a standstill.

It's the scan on Chavez' file

 

[The_Impress]

Nothing until the feats are sourced.

...so you're really gonna make me scoure through 460 issues for basic fixes?

Hercules and Namor scans come from Avengers Vol 1 266 and approximately around that.

Just want you to verify that for now.

 

[Antvasima]

No actually she was seeing her in SoL while going max speed, and everything else what at a standstill.

It's the scan on Chavez' file

That is what I meant. Monica was going at lightspeed, and everybody except Chavez were frozen to her, but Chavez was still in slow-motion comparatively.

 

[Antvasima]

...so you're really gonna make me scoure through 460 issues for basic fixes?

Hercules and Namor scans come from Avengers Vol 1 266 and approximately around that.

Just want you to verify that for now.

I suppose that may be overly demanding, yes, given that you are usually reliable regarding these kind of issues.

 

[The_Impress]

And also I would love for Qawsedf to assist in finding sources in all of this, considering he's invested in this revision and strive for such accuracy.

You've been to Marvel Database? They have a reading list. First 230 issues will be yours, skip guidebooks and come back with a feat list, I'll do the rest of the 230 and post the rest of the feat list.

Together this'll take about 3 days? This is me being fair and assuming you'll be busy enough to take 2 days to finish 230 issues.

And hey, everything will be sourced.

 

[Antvasima]

Please skip the sarcasm.

Qawsedf234 is just trying to follow our rules and make sure that he can verify the contexts for feats, since Marvel and DC respect threads are usually filled with out of context exaggerations.

 

[The_Impress]

Yeah and he can help me find the sources if he wishes, Tllmbrg and I, and Amelia and I have collaborated like this in the past to exhaust a character's appearances, like how we did for Captain America's Golden Age and the Mickey Mouse Theatrical Shorts profile.

I'm not being sarcastic here, this is a genuine proposal

 

[Tllmbrg]

Didn't we make it mandatory to cite sources for comics scans specifcally, Ik the site wide application wasn't accaptedbut I thought Marvel and DC, alongside any verse of comparable size was agreed to have mandatory ones

 

[The_Impress]

Didn't we make it mandatory to cite sources for comics scans specifcally, Ik the site wide application wasn't accaptedbut I thought Marvel and DC, alongside any verse of comparable size was agreed to have mandatory ones

Nah, it ended up a dead revision :v, if it was I would be organizing a revision project and not a revision

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I strongly doubt that Qawsedf234 is able to devote so much time for this though.

 

[Antvasima]

Didn't we make it mandatory to cite sources for comics scans specifcally, Ik the site wide application wasn't accaptedbut I thought Marvel and DC, alongside any verse of comparable size was agreed to have mandatory ones

Nah, it ended up a dead revision :v, if it was I would be organizing a revision project and not a revision

I think that we added it as a new rule in our DC and Marvel regulations page.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Okay. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I strongly doubt that Qawsedf234 is able to devote so much time for this though.

We can get more people on it to make it a smaller work load
(Tho I can't do it since I'm rn binging Cloaker and Dagger's issues lol)

 

[The_Impress]

Meh, I then do think I need volunteers to back up these scans then, if it's a rule.

Otherwise I think it's pretty silly to just not apply the revision and leave the profile in that poor a state

 

[Tllmbrg]

Would nuking it be a possibility, since as far as I'm aware no page uses it for scaling if we can't add this in

 

[Antvasima]

I am personally mostly fine with applying the revision as the less bad option, but it is always much better to provide sources, especially for Marvel and DC Comics feats.

 

[Antvasima]

See rule number 7 here :

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[The_Impress]

I just saw the page needed immediate revisions as it was in a very poor state, I'm currently overseeing a Captain Britain file researching and doing my own research on the Vision, so I don't have time to add 460 issue on my list.

I can just exhaust the gallery anytime else, so currently I don't think this revision is doing anything particularly bad

 

[Antvasima]

Well, these do seem to be mostly uncontroversial and self-evident changes, so I think that we can probably make an exception this time.

 

[SamanPatou]

Everything is good, just a couple of notes:

Point 5 is more like Body Control rather than Creation.

Point 6 should be Resistance, not Immunity

Point 13 should be Limited Fusionism, as she could fuse with the other guy because his body is made of Antimatter, which could merge with her photons because of physics reasons.

I agree that sources should be nice, but at the same time I recognize the amount of work and I can't help with that currently, so I will not argue this further. It can still be done overtime anyway, there's no hurry.

Also, this character is kinda broken, she's like super strong and haxed.

 

[Antvasima]

Saman makes sense to me.

 

[The_Impress]

Kk.

 

[Qawsedf234]

..so you're really gonna make me scoure through 460 issues for basic fixes?

Yes. If we don't apply it for basic fixes it'll just be a rule haphazardly enforced at a mode's discretion. We either do it for everything or do it for none of them in my option

 

[The_Impress]

Yes. If we don't apply it for basic fixes it'll just be a rule haphazardly enforced at a mode's discretion. We either do it for everything or do it for none of them in my option

Yeah so as said, we're splitting it if you care so much. You take the 230 at the beginning, and we do the system as said above.

This should never be a one way street if this is the route you're proposing

 

[Qawsedf234]

This should never be a one way street if this is the route you're proposing

The rule is that if you're proposing an upgrade it's on you to source claims. Not on people who ask for them.

I'll do it in this case, but from here on out I'm not approving stuff without a source.