Marvel Comics: Hulk Upgrade And Ability Addition

[Excellence616]

In Issue 17 of The Incredible Hulk Vol 4, Hulk was chained by the Eldest. We later found out in Issue 18, that the chained was made from the First Firmament and Hulk is able to break the chain.
So, Hulk would have 1-A rating with Immeasurable Lifting Strength.


From this:

| Varies from 5-B to 3-C, High 3-A to High 1-B when sufficiently angered | Varies from High 3-A, up to High 1-B with Rage Power | Varies from 3-C to High 3-A, up to High 1-B

to this:

| Varies from 5-B to 3-C, High 3-A to High 1-B, 1-A when sufficiently angered | Varies from High 3-A to High 1-B up to 1-A at peak with Rage Power | Varies from 3-C to High 3-A up to High 1-B , 1-A at peak

Note: Hulk is not scaling to Multi-Eternity because although the chain used on both entities is from same being but the difference is that Multi-Eternity was chained by The First Firmament himself while Hulk's own was "MADE FROM" The First Firmament and nope, it is not an outlier as Hulk is already High 1-B and Hulk's power (gamma in general) is from the Once Below All who is High 1-A


He should also have Resistance to Law Manipulation as he broken the Patcum Aeternus which is an unbreakable contract that once spoken the prophecy becomes A Law of Natural World. The Patcum Aeternus was made used by Banner to give Hulk's body in exchange for the life of Charlie



Agree (2 , 7): @Elizhaa @Maverick_Zero_X @DivineCreator389 @Yokoahh5743 @Dreamer23421 @Entity @Eseseso @NatzuX @VeryGoofyToddler2
Disagree (,):
Neutral (1,): @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[DivineCreator389]

Agree Hulk deserves an upgrade.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Agree with everything here

 

[Dreamer23421]

same agree with everything

 

[Entity]

Agree

 

[Eseseso]

Fire. Put me down as an agree.

 

[NatzuX]

Agree for everything

 

[Antvasima]

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Are any of you willing to take a look here please?

 

[PrinceofPein]

I do not think this is actually possible under the new tiering system, you cannot rage your way into 1-A, you need to become real (fiction to reality) and yes it is a very big outlier, as the difference between High 1-B and 1-A is heaven and earth and I mean that literally.

 

[Excellence616]

I do not think this is actually possible under the new tiering system, you cannot rage your way into 1-A, you need to become real (fiction to reality) and yes it is a very big outlier, as the difference between High 1-B and 1-A is heaven and earth and I mean that literally.

It isn't. Hulk isn't 1-A via existence. He is 1-A via scaling.

 

[PrinceofPein]

It isn't. Hulk isn't 1-A via existence. He is 1-A via scaling.

Which will not be possible unless his existence is 1-A also

 

[Excellence616]

Which will not be possible unless his existence is 1-A also

So it is impossible to scale to a 1-A being or item unless r>f?

 

[Excellence616]

I do not think this is actually possible under the new tiering system, you cannot rage your way into 1-A, you need to become real (fiction to reality) and yes it is a very big outlier, as the difference between High 1-B and 1-A is heaven and earth and I mean that literally.

Which will not be possible unless his existence is 1-A also

see:

However, there are ways to bypass this barrier. For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level. This can happen either by a straightforward power boost, or by means of some innate metaphysical potential rooted in something from a higher reality (This can include both characters who are converted into natives of higher planes and characters who are physically lower-dimensional but have 1-A statistics). In neither case is the capability to reach into the higher level something emergent from the structure of the lower level, and therefore they are acceptable ways to get around the above hurdles.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

1-A can be scaled to just clarify. However, this is weird considering a part of a 1-A being grounded and confined within a lower reality without any sort of actual acceptance by the Firmament. Nevertheless, this should work. I'm not all that concerned about this upgrade.

Though, Pein's point on High 1-B and 1-A are true. The difference is massive, it would be an outlier if proven true. I agree with the overall upgrade though.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm unsure about this.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am fine with the upgrade as the 1-A can be scaled like explained above and law manipulation resistance.

 

[PrinceofPein]

see:

Except nothing on 1-A plane empowered the Hulk, it is simply his rage.
So as long as all he is and all he is from is from fiction, there is no way he can affect reality in anyway.
Hence why I am disagreeing

 

[Excellence616]

Except nothing on 1-A plane empowered the Hulk, it is simply his rage.
So as long as all he is and all he is from is from fiction, there is no way he can affect reality in anyway.
Hence why I am disagreeing

Hulk's power (gamma in general) is from the Once Below All who is High 1-A

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'm fine with the upgrade (1-A at peak would actually align with Hulk fighting Onslaught as currently listed on his profile, who is also becoming 1-A if the Franklin Richards CRT passes)

1-A, possibly High 1-A Franklin Richards Upgrade Thread

Whelp. This was a long time coming. The following is a list of feats I gathered about Franklin. I figured these would be more than enough for an upgrade: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:PrincessofGods/FRUpgrade He was shown overpowering an amped Mephisto, the very same Mephisto who was...

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Also, not sure where the notion that you can't be 1-A via scaling came from?

 

[PrinceofPein]

I saw it and I just decided not to reply to it, cause in that sense, any gamma powered weapon or even any gamma ray is High 1-A.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I'm fine with the upgrade (1-A at peak would actually align with Hulk fighting Onslaught as currently listed on his profile, who is also becoming 1-A if the Franklin Richards CRT passes)

1-A, possibly High 1-A Franklin Richards Upgrade Thread

Whelp. This was a long time coming. The following is a list of feats I gathered about Franklin. I figured these would be more than enough for an upgrade: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:PrincessofGods/FRUpgrade He was shown overpowering an amped Mephisto, the very same Mephisto who was...

vsbattles.com

Also, not sure where the notion that you can't be 1-A via scaling came from?

the notion is not that you cannot be 1-A via scaling, it is that you cannot be 1-A simply by getting stronger the more angry you become, as that is the entire point of the difference between 1-A and lower tiers are, no matter how stronger you get or how many layers of ascend, you are not supposed to reach 1-A.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

The notion is not that you cannot be 1-A via scaling, it is that you cannot be 1-A simply by getting stronger the more angry you become, as that is the entire point of the difference between 1-A and lower tiers, no matter how stronger you get or how many layers of ascend, you are not supposed to reach 1-A.

You can scale to 1-A through different means. The only tier you can't scale to is 0 and High 1-A+(type 2). The former lacks any sort of division and separation and only is itself. The other is that it's the sum total of everything that a 0 can produce or the cosmological apex hence only one of each per verse.

Obvviously, there needs to be an established baseline level of existence to convey an ontological transcendence of nature for 1-A, but if a 1-A grants any more power to lower beings then they can be scaled through those means. It’s the nature of the lower order that can't be scaled since 1-A is inaccessible by any form of quantitative means, but, that's not limiting the fact that 1-A can in fact grant lower beings power-ups. You just can’t scale to it by means of traveling and ascending by just sheer raw means, which you established.

Hulk, in this case, proxy scales.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Except nothing on 1-A plane empowered the Hulk, it is simply his rage.

Hulk is empowered by something of that scope due to modern comics establishing he draws his power from a High 1-A being. It's not just basic Rage Power.

All gamma radiation, in its multiple forms e.g, most primal and abstract form that is neither particle nor wave, is an emanation of The One Below All.[4] It is comes for The Below place where the One Below All stays. The Below Place is also the lowest point of all,[5] the infinite abyss that lies underneath creation[6] as its bedrock,[7] encompassing the Qlippoth that serve as the dark reflections of each Sefirot in the Mystery

 

[PrinceofPein]

I concede and this is fine to be 1-A.

 

[Excellence616]

I'm unsure about this.

Do you agree now?

 

[Excellence616]

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Are any of you willing to take a look here please?

You take would help also

 

[Excellence616]

Hulk Smash

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[Ace4573]

Hulk Smash

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Oh one more question; Would the idea of conceptual interaction/manipulation be up for consideration? These are conceptual chains made from an Abstract High-dimensional being.

 

[Excellence616]

Oh one more question; Would the idea of conceptual interaction/manipulation be up for consideration? These are conceptual chains made from an Abstract High-dimensional being.

i don't understand.
As Non Physical Interaction or what?

 

[Ace4573]

i don't understand.
As Non Physical Interaction or what?

(It probably already is up there yeah) nevermind

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Gotta nitpick, but I must ask why this feat is being considered 1-A?

Note: Hulk is not scaling to Multi-Eternity because although the chain used on both entities is from same being but the difference is that Multi-Eternity was chained by The First Firmament himself while Hulk's own was "MADE FROM" The First Firmament and nope, it is not an outlier as Hulk is already High 1-B and Hulk's power (gamma in general) is from the Once Below All who is High 1-A

1-A seems like an arbitrary default tier for anything coming from the High 1-A First Firmament, can you elaborate on why it's 1-A specifically? The First Firmament is High 1-A, which means he encompasses all previous tiers. It could be 1 or 2 layers into 1-A, or infinite layers into 1-A, or even High 1-B. Why baseline [or whatever level of] 1-A specifically?

Unless I'm severely misunderstanding something, I don't think this line of reasoning works. I don't believe we scale entities that "draw power from the sun" to Star level, or "draw power from the Universe" to Universe level by default. Magic and Gamma come from 1-A and High 1-A levels of reality respectively, but characters who use the former and latter aren't 1-A and High 1-A respectively in AP by default. At the same time, if you really want to argue there's enough context suggesting the chains scale to the First Firmament to a significant degree, that circles back to the original issue. Why wouldn't they be High 1-A outright and just baseline 1-A? I don't know if I'm making sense, it seems like an issue is being recognized in that High 1-A could possibly be an outlier for Hulk, so an arbitrary decision is being made to scale the feat to the First Firmament's "1-A extent" rather than his High 1-A one (and I should point out now that the First Firmament doesn't even have 1-A keys). Is this antagonist "The Eldest" 1-A at least?

 

[Excellence616]

1-A seems like an arbitrary default tier for anything coming from the High 1-A First Firmament, can you elaborate on why it's 1-A specifically? The First Firmament is High 1-A, which means he encompasses all previous tiers. It could be 1 or 2 layers into 1-A, or infinite layers into 1-A, or even High 1-B. Why baseline [or whatever level of] 1-A specifically?

Reason be that it was forged from the First Firmament which means at least a fragment was used. A little power from the of the First Firmament Omniversal flood affect the Multiverse

Unless I'm severely misunderstanding something, I don't think this line of reasoning works. I don't believe we scale entities that "draw power from the sun" to Star level, or "draw power from the Universe" to Universe level by default. Magic and Gamma come from 1-A and High 1-A levels of reality respectively, but characters who use the former and latter aren't 1-A and High 1-A respectively in AP by default.

Yeah, Gamma is 1-A, High 1-A reality. The difference is that other gamma mutates don't have as much connection, potential as the Hulk to the Below Place or TOBA as Immortal Hulk and Vol 4 all have something to do with Hulk being the key to an higher entity.

Is this antagonist "The Eldest" 1-A at least?

Nope... Just the chains

 

[Eseseso]

Tbf the First Firmament is probably gonna be downgraded to being layers of 1-A soon due to the Demattis split

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Reason be that it was forged from the First Firmament which means at least a fragment was used. A little power from the of the First Firmament Omniversal flood affect the Multiverse

I'm fine with the upgrades.

 

[Tomfer]

Now we wait for Immeasurable speed too.