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Marvel Cinematic Universe Upgrades/Downgrades
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I saw Endless Mike's calc and he used a completely different approach that got similar results with me but he didn't take into account for the fact that Iron Man accelerated the blades in a certain amount of time, which is what "downgraded" my calc in the first place.
Some of my calcs aren't detailed at all and they do involve some wacky/casual scaling.
But i wouldn't say the same for this calc.
Now regarding the Mjolnir argument.
Throwing and returning speed aren't the same thing, they are produced by different things.One is caused by Thor's hand throwing the hammer and the other is the product of the magic bestowed by Odin.So no logical connection between the two can be made.
Quicksilver caught Mjolnir when it was thrown by Thor.
Also, its returning speed is inconsistent.Yes we've seen it break the sound barrier when returning to Thor and it can move decent distancies in a small amount of time but that's it.
The only time we've seen it go Massively Hypersonic was when Thor was teleported into another world and it had to travel (Hundreds-Thousands-Millions or even Billions of) Light Years in order to reach him so it makes sense that it would be traveling at max speed..
Some of my calcs aren't detailed at all and they do involve some wacky/casual scaling.
But i wouldn't say the same for this calc.
Now regarding the Mjolnir argument.
Throwing and returning speed aren't the same thing, they are produced by different things.One is caused by Thor's hand throwing the hammer and the other is the product of the magic bestowed by Odin.So no logical connection between the two can be made.
Quicksilver caught Mjolnir when it was thrown by Thor.
Also, its returning speed is inconsistent.Yes we've seen it break the sound barrier when returning to Thor and it can move decent distancies in a small amount of time but that's it.
The only time we've seen it go Massively Hypersonic was when Thor was teleported into another world and it had to travel (Hundreds-Thousands-Millions or even Billions of) Light Years in order to reach him so it makes sense that it would be traveling at max speed..
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I disagree with P = W/T
P is Watts, not Joules. Attack Potency uses Joules, not Watts IIRC.
P is Watts, not Joules. Attack Potency uses Joules, not Watts IIRC.
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His calculation has nothing to do with a timeframe, it has to do with Tony producing the GPE and KE of keeping the Helicarrier flying. Never once in his calc does he use watts or a timeframe.
Just the KE is 8-A already, and that requires no timeframe.
Mjolnir has a MHS throwing and returning speed feat in THOR 2, both of them MHS. Assuming that one is hundreds of times slower than the other has no basis when they have comparable feats.
Just the KE is 8-A already, and that requires no timeframe.
Mjolnir has a MHS throwing and returning speed feat in THOR 2, both of them MHS. Assuming that one is hundreds of times slower than the other has no basis when they have comparable feats.
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That fact that he didn't take into account the time doesn't mean it has nothing to do with the feat.
Also i disagree with his method.He finds the energy the turbines produce on a certain scene while Iron Man accelerated the blades at a certain speed so that the engine can start.And i find exactly that the kinetic energy of the blades.
And since the feat was achieved in a certain amount of time so we divide it by the time.
Attack Potency is the energy of 1 attack or the power of a continuous effort/attack/beam.
If a character can destroy a building by firing a beam at it for 5 hours then he isn't building level.
Also when did Thor throw mjolnir at MHS speeds?
Also i disagree with his method.He finds the energy the turbines produce on a certain scene while Iron Man accelerated the blades at a certain speed so that the engine can start.And i find exactly that the kinetic energy of the blades.
And since the feat was achieved in a certain amount of time so we divide it by the time.
Attack Potency is the energy of 1 attack or the power of a continuous effort/attack/beam.
If a character can destroy a building by firing a beam at it for 5 hours then he isn't building level.
Also when did Thor throw mjolnir at MHS speeds?
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Gwyn, Iron Man took time to accelerate to the right speed. Once he reached it he was kept continuously spinning the turbine at top speed, making the Helicarrier keep flying. Since we know the energy necessary to keep it flying, that's the energy Iron Man would be generating.
It has nothing to do with timeframe. That's the energy the turbines need to constantly generate or else the Helicarrier falls.
Thor's hammer misses Malekith in their fight and ascends to space.
It has nothing to do with timeframe. That's the energy the turbines need to constantly generate or else the Helicarrier falls.
Thor's hammer misses Malekith in their fight and ascends to space.
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The hammer's thrown speed is equal to return speed in that scene IIRC.
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Also P is in Watts. Attack Potency is in Joules.
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Found a Mach 46.8 speed feat for MCU Iron Man. Is this what your looking for? https://forums.hero-academia.com/xfa-blog-entry/iron-man-suite-saves-tony-mcu-feat.35100/
I can't find the one where he traveled from USA to Gulmira though.
I can't find the one where he traveled from USA to Gulmira though.
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Is this accepted?
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Okay. I always want to do things quick.
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I won't discuss this further.
I'm calcing exactly what happened on the scene and there is no good reason for us to use the other calc.
"P = W/T is only applicable when stopping an object. We do not use timeframes when accelerating an object."
This is so fundementally wrong.....i can't...what?
I'm calcing exactly what happened on the scene and there is no good reason for us to use the other calc.
"P = W/T is only applicable when stopping an object. We do not use timeframes when accelerating an object."
This is so fundementally wrong.....i can't...what?
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Thor throwing his hammer at Malecith isn't MHS.
He threw it, it passed through Malecith then it was teleported to earth where it began accenting towards space and it broke the sound barrier after it came to earth.(just before starting flying into space)
He threw it, it passed through Malecith then it was teleported to earth where it began accenting towards space and it broke the sound barrier after it came to earth.(just before starting flying into space)
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I think we should trust OBD too: http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki....eral-obd-terms/160-comprehensive-energy-scale
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Let's not fight.
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The dude audibly cracked some bones in Bucky's wrist before he flipped him and managed to defeat him, despite Bucky being entirely defensive. He is also the only one able to fight a brainwashed Bucky when not even Black Widow could fight him. And that's not going into his brief scuffle in the Black Panther trailer. How is he not in Cap and Bucky's league?Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
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Cracked some bones? But I now agree he's Wall Level+ now because Clint and Natasha are upgraded.
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Just one last reply.
This isn't a matter of who you should trust, acceleration and decceleration are the same thing.
If an object is either accelerated or stopped you find the work and divide it by the time (to find the average power).
This isn't a matter of who you should trust, acceleration and decceleration are the same thing.
If an object is either accelerated or stopped you find the work and divide it by the time (to find the average power).
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Iron Man accelerated to reach the top speed he needed to spin the turbine. After reaching top speed he kept spinning it.
The calc isn't about time, but by the energy produced by the turbines to keep the helicarrier flying, which Tony would have to produce.
The calc isn't about time, but by the energy produced by the turbines to keep the helicarrier flying, which Tony would have to produce.
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We don't calculate Kinetic Energy from speed.
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I thought he was only Mach 5.8 when running towards them.
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Unless someone calculates the speed he moved them.
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He was Mach 5.8 when he moved them. His previous AP was by taking that speed and the weight of Jeremy Renner and an average ten year old boy and inputting it into the kinetic energy formula.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/MCU_Quicksilver_Speed
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/MCU_Quicksilver_Speed
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