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Marvel Characters Re-Scaling

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

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The Marvel characters are undergoing some sort of re-scaling and many characters' tiers are now unknown. If you have a good feat or scaling, kindly post it in this thread.

List of characters with unknown stats:

Magneto (Marvel Comics) (Lifting Strength, Striking Strength and physical durability)

Baymax (Marvel Comics) (AP, Speed, Lifting Strength, Striking Strength and Durability)

Balder (Marvel Comics) (AP, Lifting Strength, Striking Strength and Durability)

Vision (Marvel Comics) (Speed and please check if the AP is legit.)

Deadpool (Marvel Comics) (Speed and Lifting Strength, which are currently handbook feats.)

Jean Grey (Marvel Comics) (Speed)

Quicksilver (Marvel Comics) (Lifting Strength)

Storm (Marvel Comics) (Just change the explanation to "Comparable to Hawkeye" instead of "listed as the same tier blah blah blah". Page currently locked)

Ghost Rider (Marvel Comics) (Speed)

Iron Man (Marvel Comics) (Speed)

Legion (Marvel Comics) (Speed)

U.S. Agent (AP, Speed, Lifting Strength, Striking Strength, Durability)


Wait, I need to go find the characters. I will add more soon.
 
To clarify, S75DF started to modify all Marvel profiles that use handbook scaling, which we have since abandoned.

This largely left them with either highly inconsistent or unknown statistics.

I would appreciate help to go through the profiles to determine appropriate AP and Speed statistics by using scaling from consistency via comparisons to other characters, without using the handbooks.

Alternately, we could demand that he reverts all of the profiles that he changed today back to their previous states, until we get the chance to handle this properly.
 
Essentially all of them need a checkthrough, but you can start with S75DF's recent edits.
 
Magneto looks decent but I could check for Durability Feats without Shield.

Balder and Baymax I have no idea.

Vision could be severely lowballed here in speed. I think he has a Relativistic feat or something.

Deadpool could be getting some Speed Upgrades soon. I just need Darkanine or some other to calc Electro feats I'm collecting.

Ghost Rider has two feats which come to mind that can have good speed results.

Jean Grey I don't know, but Emma Frost has a Supersonic-ish feat of reacting in a Milisecond, so it's a start.

Quicksilver I don't think has any Lifting Feats so Unknown.

Storm I can check through.

Iron Man's profile seems to be one of the best.

Legion's profile needs improvement.
 
Okay. Thanks. What about the 9-C and 9-B characters, such as Daredevil and Black Widow? Should they really be so far below Captain America?
 
Daredevil I don't think has ever shown anything remotely close to what Black Panther, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Captain America has. I don't think they should scale.

However, I would appreciate some help with two Ghost Rider feats.
 
We need to find their respect thread and most off their fights in order to find their matchups and scale them by result.
 
http://imgur.com/BODW9Fu

Very early Johnny Blaze swings his motorcycle in a matter of microseconds

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2BhtbWx-QZg/Vp80Dk9D8NI/AAAAAAAAD2g/YKLLWzlWDpo/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YKzuPfY-0MY/Vp80D51F79I/AAAAAAAAD2g/4wxeu4-Ulrs/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg

Early Robbie Reyes reacts fast enough to transform into Ghost Rider quicker than the bullets can hit him, even though the cops are standing centimeters away from him and fired the bullets first.

Both of these should wield good results.
 
@Antvasima Hmmmn ok. I doubt he's 8-A when I edited the profile too but since that's the feat listed on his profile, I edited it.
 
Well, Colossus, Magneto, and Rogue should be fine, but I am uncertain if we should revert the others.

For example, Ares has fought Hercules, Hulk, and Thor, but is usually outclassed. I don't think that 4-B is appropriate, when he is officially supposed to be weaker than the Thing, Wonder Man, and She-Hulk.
 
Yes. Again, perhaps somebody should revert most of the changes until we get the time to properly handle the Marvel revisions.
 
@Matthew Schroeder if microseconds means around 3 microseconds, it would make Ghost Rider 83 333.333...... times faster than the average human reaction (0.25). Dunno if this helps, but if the average human is 1 m/s (pretty sure a low-ball) he would be Massively Hypersonic.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
@Matthew Schroeder The problem with the Iron Man profile is the statement that he's comparable to Mister Fantastic.
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Actually Iron Man has some really absurd feats even without armor. There's a comic where he has an entire conversation in Microseconds (And it is stated by narrator that the scene is slown down for the audience), and another where he states that the Extremis effect enhanced some of his thinking capability to Lightspeed.

I want to find less intense feats to scale Tony without armor.
 
Is anybody willing to revert the inappropriate profile changes?
 
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Crossbones_(Marvel_Comics)

Dunno if 8-A if he lost to Serumless Captain America, although that could be an unusually low-showing for him or an unusually high-showing for Serumless Cap (Who I still think should be Wall level or so given that he broke free out of a solid cube of ice).

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Star-Lord_(Marvel_Comics)

Dunno much about Comic Starlord.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Blade_(Marvel_Comics)

Looks fine. Doubt his speed is that "low", though.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nightcrawler

Bad profile. I'm considering reading X-Men comics from the start to fix their pages, like how Endless Mike did with Fantastic Four and is doing with Avengers, although that would be an immensely ambitious project and I don't have the energy for it right now.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Spider-Gwe

Fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Moon_Knight_(Marvel_Comics)

Looks good-ish.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elektra_(Marvel_Comics)

She should have some good feats to scale from.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ronan_the_Accuser_(Marvel_Comics)

I think Ronan has some great feats to scale from like creating a Black Hole which wielded 4-C.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Silver_Samurai_(Marvel_Comics)

Isn't he a Wolverine villain?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rogue_(Marvel_Comics)

Looks okay.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lizard_(Marvel_Comics)

Okay from a glance.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Colossus_(Marvel_Comics)

Unsure if he's 5-B. X-Men really need some more insight into.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Vision_(Marvel_Comics)

Pretty sure he is comparable to Iron Man. Will look for feats.

Also, in order to make more people buy Spider-Man, Daredevil and other Street-levelers' speeds, I started reading through all of Electro's appearances and collected all feats of people dodging his lightning.
 
Okay. The Silver Samurai is a Wolverine and Daredevil villain, yes.
 
Perhaps we should delete the Marvel profiles with insufficient information to scale from, and that are of bad quality?
 
Also, in regards to Electro, I'm finding several good Attack Potency feats as well:

  • Creating a small storm (Legit this time)
  • Destroying the Daily Bugle
  • Blowing up a NYC pier with a lightning explosion
  • Powering a rocket launch so much that it reaches high-orbit in mere seconds
 
Antvasima said:
Perhaps we should delete the Marvel profiles with insufficient information to scale from, and that are of bad quality?
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I think that both Marvel and DC have an issue of quantity over quality. Marvel more-so. But I think several profiles can be saved.
 
Well, you can suggest the ones that are better to delete here.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
@Matthew Schroeder The problem with the Iron Man profile is the statement that he's comparable to Mister Fantastic.
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But, Why would we measure the speed of Tony without armor in the first place? It seems very unnecesary to me.
 
The Iceman profile can be modified to only have his empowered statistics, yes.
 
Also found this:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Apocalypse_(Marvel_Comics)

What should we do with him?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hawkeye_(Marvel_Comics)

This looks a little bit curious.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Adam_Warlock

Same as Apocs, and his base speed is scaled to Spiderman.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Taskmaster.

I think this one is fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Bolt

Could we still scale him with Iron Man?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Winter_Soldier

Looks fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cable

Uncertain with the stalement, but the rest seems fine.
 
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