Marvel Animated Universe Discussion Thread

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But even then, Imagine a black widow being able to one shot thanos

AA Thanos is 6-B tho?
Either way, no one has bothered to downgrade her yet

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Strange that it isn't noted on his profile, but would anyone scale to that?

anyone who can react and dodge Mjolnir like Speed demon, hulk, Thor himself

 

[Propellus]

AA Thanos is 6-B tho?
Either way, no one has bothered to downgrade her yet

I meant the MCU one

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Why do MCU characters not scale to Mjolnir's MHS+ speed rating then, even though some of them have reacted to Mjolnir?

Idk

 

[Propellus]

Why do MCU characters not scale to Mjolnir's MHS+ speed rating then, even though some of them have reacted to Mjolnir?

Who reacted to it?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

The long awaited nuke calc
Tbh i still think finding the type of nuke would be better than the yield for destroying Moscow, as the statement is pretty vague and could simply reffer to nuking a part of Moscow

Admittedly yeah, that nuke would be way stronger than they have in actuality, they call it a missile so it's some kind of surface to air missile or a ballistic missile. This one should be good to use as reference, as it is similarly huge. You could probably also get LS out of Dynamo moving it, since he can casually toss tanks which would put him in the Class K to Class M range already.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

The missile seems to have a lot of different yields, which one should i go with?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Use the R-36M2 with the yield of 20 Mt, since that's the one contemporary with the series.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Done
the result is actually pretty consistent with this armor being superior to Mark 1

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Done
the result is actually pretty consistent with this armor being superior to Mark 1

A better way to find surface area would be to use the series' Iron Man height and get the weight from the original.

You can use this: Mass of original Iron Man*(Height of Smaller Iron Man/Height of Original Iron Man)^3

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Done again

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Ok, consistency is good!

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Scaling is gonna be a little bit weird with characters who appear in both seasons but didn't receive any upgrades

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Which characters would those be? They may or may not get pages.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Actually now that i think of it most of those characters happen to be characters which are superior to season 1 Iron Man (Titanium Man, Ultimo, Fin Fang Foom) so you can just scale them to season 2 Iron Man instead as they fight him on equal-ish grounds
There's also The Hand but they mostly fight with armors on in season 2

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Ultimo scales to no one else, right?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Iron Man actually fights Ultimo pretty evenly in season 2 and Hawkeye can harm and take him down with explosive arrows
Nobody scales to his laser feat tho

 

[Dark-Carioca]

What about Foom?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

What about Foom?

Iron Man also seems to be comparable to him in season 2 considering the fight in episode 1

 

[Dark-Carioca]

We'll probably have to get an image from the show for Ultimo, the models I've been able to find seem pretty preliminary and don't match how he looks in the series.

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[Aguywhodoesthings]

The renders resemble his season 2 design, but a render for his season 1 look would be good aswell

 

[Dark-Carioca]

What S1 episodes does he appear in again?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

He appears in "Rejoice, I am Ultimo, Thy Deliverer" or episode 2

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Also here's something i noticed while rewatching episode 1 to make sure Iron Man and Foom are comparable
Mandarin gets knocked back and injured from Fin Fang Fooms fire while Iron Man takes a blast from Foom and 4 other dragons and even manages to push it back with a unibeam. This might suggest that season 2 Iron Man is infact stronger than season 2 Base Mandarin

Fing's fire also has some good feats in season 1, such as heating up Iron Man's armor to much that it melts through an icy mountain (It's also really impressive since Fang only hit Iron Man's hydro armor which has covering his regular armor) and heating up some rocks into a mirror (with some help from Iron Man's lasers)

 

[Dark-Carioca]

He appears in "Rejoice, I am Ultimo, Thy Deliverer" or episode 2

Made a render for him, not the most polished one I've made but it'll serve for now

Mandarin gets knocked back and injured from Fin Fang Fooms fire while Iron Man takes a blast from Foom and 4 other dragons and even manages to push it back with a unibeam. This might suggest that season 2 Iron Man is infact stronger than season 2 Base Mandarin

Solid enough scaling, makes sense to me

Fing's fire also has some good feats in season 1, such as heating up Iron Man's armor to much that it melts through an icy mountain (It's also really impressive since Fang only hit Iron Man's hydro armor which has covering his regular armor) and heating up some rocks into a mirror (with some help from Iron Man's lasers)

Yeah those are definitely worth calculating

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

the ice feat is a little bit weird, but it would scale to Foom's fire since it's the remaining heat from it that melted through the mountain i guess?
Also i'm not sure how to calculate heating up sand and silver enough for them to mix

 

[Dark-Carioca]

You could probably calculate the sand turning into glass at least.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Seems like i misunderstood the scene a bit, doesn't seem like Fooms fire is actually affecting the silver but just the glass
Also how does fire reflect in a mirror?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Also how does fire reflect in a mirror?

That led me to this

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

That led me to this

Close enough
fr tho there's this and Fooms fire being called a laser that makes me believe the show is either really stupid or Foom has legit lightspeed attacks

 

[Dark-Carioca]

In the comics it's sometimes referred to as an acid mist so it's not just the cartoon being inconsistent

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

In the comics it's sometimes referred to as an acid mist so it's not just the cartoon being inconsistent

I guess his fire is just everything

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Maybe calculating Fooms GPE could give a nice result aswell? He seems fairly large going off of the size comparison image
I'm not quite sure what animal would be best for upscaling the mass tho, perhaps a gliding lizard?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

He has a relatively small body compared to his bulky limbs, I don't think there's any reptile that fits.

His GPE wouldn't be anything special, so I wouldn't recommend trying to calculate it. Granted he sometimes appear to be much larger in the show and this could be due to his size manipulation powers, since in the comics he can shrink or enlarge himself if he wishes.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Or it could just be inconsistent as a lot of cartoons seem to have an issue with large characters
Also here's Fooms size changing on a whim

 

[Dark-Carioca]

The image you used for him crushing that rock is a good example of him appearing way bigger than he does in his model sheet.

And yeah it's probably art inconsistency, that happens just about everywhere.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Trying to calc his size using the model sheet i got 17.72m, which does seem a lot lower than the rock image

 

[Dark-Carioca]

He's like twice that in the screenshot lol

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

True, his head is roughly twice the size of Iron Man in the sheet while it's also roughly twice the size of Mandarin in the rock image (i measured in paint) but since Foom is further away in the rock crush image it's probably a lot bigger
I'm gonna calc the ice melting feat, can the minimum mountain height be used for the thickness of the ice melted? It seems like it would be pretty hard to measure thickness normally

 

[Dark-Carioca]

It's like a big cylinder, you can calculate the radius/thickness of what gets melted using Iron Man's body.