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maou gakuin no futekigousha Upgrade from 2-A to low 1-C

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the "evidence" you provided is pretty vague and flowery language should not be taken at face value, just time difference does not prove superior dimensions, the only thing you have proven is the whole thing is 2-A but nothing more
 
Elizhaa said:
The 6-D silver bubble points seem weak to me. I am also curious if you have the evidences, but I will leave my thoughts first. If I recall correctly, chief gods' higher-dimensional existence are accepted as 4-D scaling from 4-D worlds; if they were accepted from transcending the world accurately, they would have been 5-D or Low 1-C already.
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Bubble world is small and not birted bubble if compare to silver bubble world. As long as the bubble world not evolve to silver bubble is impossible to proof their existance, thats mean in silver sea bubble world is nonexistance or not birted world, and the evolve to silver bubble is make the world exist

The gap between bubble and silver bubble is nonexistance and existance

「泡沫世界は未進化の小世界。この銀水聖海においては、生まれていない世界と言えます。なぜなら、泡沫世界には主神と元首がおりません。主神がいなければ、小世界の秩序を完全に制御することはできず、元首がいなければ小世界の住人たちは争い続けます。行く末は、想像に容易いでしょう」
The bubble world is small, unevolved world. In this silver water sacred sea, it can be said that it is a world that has not been born. Because there is no main god and head of state in the bubble world. Without the chief god, the order of the small world cannot be completely controlled, and without the head of state, the inhabitants of the small world will continue to fight. It's easy to imagine how it will end
泡沫世界だったため、ミリティア世界があると証明することも不可能だっただろう。
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world
 
Pain_to12 said:
Oh believe me I don't really care before but now I do, I mean I just saw your comments on discord calling me a ****** cause I don't agree with you.
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I don't know what you are trying to say. But i am not picking a fight with you here in wiki and not going against any rules. That's all i want to say. Whatever you want to believe do so. Also I am pretty sure bringing your outside hate for me into wiki is not a good thing. Behave like Civilized here. Whatever you anyone does outside shouldn't be brought here.
 
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Pain_to12 said:
Oh believe me I don't really care before but now I do, I mean I just saw your comments on discord calling me the R word cause I don't agree with you.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't know what you are trying to say. But i am not picking a fight with you here in wiki and not going against any rules. That's all i want to say. Whatever you want to believe do so. Also I am pretty sure bringing your outside hate wiki is not a good thing. Behave like Civilized here.
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I knew I smelt something cooking

Anyway, no hard feelings pain. Let whatever happens outside the wiki stay outside the wiki.
 
Pain_to12 said:
I am certain you can be according to the new system
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No way. I created the CRT because of the quote in the last part of my thread. Read it up, unless you are saying Ultima mistakenly accepted the content revision and is capping with it. Even Elizhaa agreed with 5D because of that reason. 5D is solid.
 
Thedoctor said:
the "evidence" you provided is pretty vague and flowery language should not be taken at face value, just time difference does not prove superior dimensions, the only thing you have proven is the whole thing is 2-A but nothing more
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U don't agree with 5D too.how is the evidence vague and flowery ? Can u elaborate ?
 
Dread said:

Introduction​

As you guys know, Maou Gakuin cosmology is presently at the 2-A tier.
The good news (bad news for haters) is that we got more scans/statements/shreds of evidence for a good possibleness of a low 1-C tier (5D- possibly 6D to be precise)

Cosmology Overview​

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Credits for the picture/cosmology go to me @Dread

This is how the cosmology looks like in The Misfit of Demon King Academy Series. You can zoom in to view bubble World and Militia World.

Currently, this is what it looks like:
  • 1 realm (sanctuary) is 2-A (contains countless infinite timeline/space-time continuums)
  • 1 Azure Sky = countless realms
  • 1 bubble contains countless infinite black sky + Azure lane = countless 2-A
  • 0 layer contains infinite bubbles Worlds
  • 1-99+ layers = countless up to infinite Bubbles
There are 99+ layers in the silver sea. All layers are of the same size. Here is the thread that evaluates our cosmology for 99+ x baseline 2-A (currently one of the strongest 2-As in a wiki)

Note: For more info, here is the cosmology page

Low 1-C (5D) rationalization​

「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each sanctuary is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the root of the world is fixed, the number of fire dewdrops in da ku kadate is fixed, as is the number of flowers in this sanctuary."
「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」

"Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the source of the world is fixed, so is the amount of fire dew in Da Ku Kadate, and the number of flowers in this divine domain."

Every sanctuary (realm) is just a microcosm of the bubble. And microcosm is microscopic, miniature, a copy of a larger place, a small unit. So that world is very limited by a bubble and treated only as subsets of it, and make bubble is infinitely greater in all parts of the universes (sanctuary) because universes are only a small unit in the infinite bubble. It also means every sanctuary has the same, similar structure.

ミーシャが目の前を指さす。

　鮮やかな蒼穹に星のように散りばめられているのは、黄金の火山や白色の湖、いばらの大地、車輪のような街など、色とりどりの様々な風景だ。

「ここが神々の蒼穹。見えている風景は、どれも神域」

　エンネスオーネの芽宮神都や、ナフタの限局世界と同じものだ。

　確かに、どれもこれも、凄まじい魔力を発している。

Misha points out in front of him.

　Scattered like stars across the brilliant azure sky are a variety of colorful landscapes, including golden volcanoes, white lakes, thorny lands, and wheel-like cities.

"This is the azure sky of the gods. Every landscape you see is a divine realm."

　It is the same as the budding divine city of Ennesione and the limited world of Nafta.

　Indeed, all of them emit tremendous magical power.

The future world is also a sanctuary. There are countless realms, but the black sky itself is infinite in size and is not bound by the real world.

There is nothing in-between countable infinity and uncountable infinity, so something that is stated to be bigger than the former would result in the latter by necessity. This applies to Maou Gakuin's case, as Kandaquizorte (a 2-A structure) was stated to be small compared to the Bubble.

In math terms​

Kandaquizorte (sanctuary) <<<<<<<<<< 1 bubble and there are Infinite bubbles = 1 layer

microcosm statement for the bubble = 5D

Low 1-C (6D) rationalization​

In the Silver Water Holy Sea, 14,000 years ago. Before the God of Creation Militia was born, the name of that bubble world was Elenesia. That is, there is a discrepancy in time between the Silver Sea and the small world. From the perspective of the Militia World, it was roughly more than 700 million years ago--
"Even so, the Militia World was created 700 million years ago, right?" "In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old." A questioning look appeared on Sasha. Then Misha explained. "Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago." "...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?" "Perhaps time is out of sync." "...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?" "Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World." Sasha looked more and more puzzled. "Then, what do you mean?" "A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess." For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense. It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.
The silver water sacred sea is wide. 　It is endlessly vast. 　Even with her God's eye, which is well penetrated throughout her own world, she is unable to predict the whole picture. Its endlessness felt to her like a distance to peace. 　No matter how much we seek peace, we will never get there. This silver sea is so endless that it seems that way.
The gears of the upper limits begin to turn. Limits are raised by the gears, and thou and I are separated by a dimension of power. 　Eques tries to crush me with a force that seems to exceed the upper limits of order.
The silver sea's time flow is independent of the bubbles', Therefore the Silver Sea is a separate bigger (extradimensional space) space-time continuum. Elensia can view a complete bubble world (5D) but she cannot perceive the end of the silver sea and perceives it as endless even while being able to see an Infinitely large 5D space. The bubbles are infinitely sized 5D already. Bubble worlds can't perceive the silver sea. Also, an additional note is that they can't even get out of bubbles Worlds without a travelling aka usage of ships. And those ships are created by chief gods. Chief gods transcend the bubble worlds. The world's reality is set by the upper limits of the order. Birth of Eques (chief God) in Militia World (5D) stated to surpass that set limits. Later, that world sinks into layer 1. Exceed means “transcend” in that context, and in Wiki, we always treat those two terms as the same.
The evidence is here

Summary:
  • Author Clearly distinguish between Bubble world and Silver Bubbles
  • Bubble worlds are already 5D
  • Silver bubbles are evolved worlds and to evolve the world needs the birth of Chief God and Conformist. Both surpass the world order and power.
  • Worlds reality is set by a limit. Even realms gods and everything is bound to that limits and it's how a 3D can't reach 4D like that limit is set.
  • Birth of Eques (Chief God) of Militia world indicated that the world will evolve Dimensionally and sink into layer 1 and exceeds that limit in other words Transcends
  • To specify correctly Eques has collected Many worlds fire dew (the reality of the world order) already but only when the world started sinking when a Conformist born and Eque's existence was started to take place. But to sink into deeper layers than shallow layers you need all Shallow layer order.. layer 0 will have infinite worlds order and Layer 1 will get that infinite worlds order. So technically Silver bubbles will have uncountably infinite worlds order.
  • After the introduction of Silver Sea and Silver Bubbles author continuously uses dimensionality to differentiate between the power difference of the worlds. For example, When Anos first met Sasha he displayed power difference and used a lesser fire magic spell to cancel out his greater fire magic spell of Sasha and explained that if the character has more magic even less fire magic can destroy greater magic. But this power between them was never Compared to dimensions and this was not the case when Anos. tried to do the same thing when Silver Sea was introduced. No matter how much magic he put into Geo graze which is the strongest magic in the Bubble world it's not reaching the Silver Bubble.
  • The Elenesia and Mutouh is another example where Elenesia is from Bubble world and Mutouh is from Silver bubbles where narratively stated as both of them different is dimensional.
Conclusion:
Bubble worlds are 5D & Silver Bubbles are Evolved Bubbles (6D). The evolution of Bubbles only takes place during the birth of chief gods and conformists. Chief Gods transcend the world (5D) as explained above. They can't exist in Bubble worlds they exist in specifically Silver bubbles which are Evolved Bubbles. There has been an author continuously comparing the difference between Silver Bubbles and Bubbles dimensions which has not the case until the Silver sea was introduced. That's also we have 3 different statements from different arcs only after the Silver Sea introduction. The series follows the lore of Life can't exist outside of Worlds so technically he is trying to introduce dimensionality based on the world Evolution.

I know it's very confusing but Maou Gakuin has a different set of Cosmology because of Author trying to display his own fictional work. The overall point is he never differentiated something until the Silver Sea was introduced and when Silver Sea and Silver Bubbles were introduced he directly jumped to dimensionality. And He clearly specified that the Birth of Chief God and Conformist and Evolution of bubbles would Exceed the world limits. Exceed can mean many things and here the context is trying to say transcend. And the difference was compared to dimensionality.

I also left out some more information as this is only confusing for others. There is this Silver Sea Shogi example where Worlds fire dew is used as a Shogi piece and Magic bullet world was trying to use Bubbles world as bullets which should have been impossible if both are in the same dimensionality plane. But let's leave that apart. I hope the above explanation Clarifies why Bubble world and Silver Bubbles are not in the same dimensionality.

Small info: Chief Gods are already accepted as higher dimensional existence in the wiki.
The layers of hax will still remain the same, as a single silver bubble would be Low 1-C. But Ano's true key won't have the layers.

Thread Conclusion​

This means, there is no object being larger than the 2-A structure while still remaining 2-A yourself

Also, another note: This does not scale to the whole Silver Sea, only to Silver bubbles being 6D. So Anos will still have 99+ layers of hax.
The cosmology is still infinitely larger, and I will do the next CRT after silver bubbles 6D is accepted.

Results​

Note: Bold = Staff Opinion

Agree: 0 (0:20) @Gasfo @Ubdon (with 5D), @Wagy, @sen_ @Ottavio_Merluzzo, @Yohata, @Satoshi23, @Diablo_, @Accelerator, @GustiTalk12, @Tatsumi504 (with 5D), @Rendynoc0unter, @Shadow_Somnius, @Overlord_THE_END (with 5D), @ZinnaiYama (with 5D), @God900, @Caduz213, @EldemadeDityjon (with 6D), @YoPercy (with 5D), @Arzzz (with 5D)
Disagree: 0 (0:0)
Neutral: 0 (0:6) @Ubdon (neutral with 6D), @Tatsumi504 (with 6D), @Overlord_THE_END (with 6D), @ZinnaiYama (with 6D), @YoPercy (with 6D), @Arzzz (with 6D)
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　"It is endlessly vast. Even with her God's eye, which is well penetrated throughout her own world, she is unable to predict the whole picture. Its endlessness felt to her like a distance to peace. No matter how much we seek peace, we will never get there. This silver sea is so endless that it seems that way."

Can I say something ? This statement doesn't make it a range problem it clearly says no matter how we seek peace we will never get there meaning they are limited from perceiving it's end (To a 5d world and Character it is inaccessible).it isnt range Problem since it's not like they can normally get there and her eyes just can't reach it.The silver sea end is inaccessible even to her eyes which can normally see throughout a 5d world And HER who claims she can't get there.unless travelling distance and inability to get to it is range which I doubt

if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense

Also can I just say this proves the silver sea is clearly older and superior to it as unless nearly 700 million years have passed in the militia world and time has stopped in the silver sea would make it equal. even this

In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old

Meaning that the silver sea is superior due to the fact that it is only 14k yrs To it.its not that silver sea time is faster(comparing it to time dilation Or time difference Is wrong) since the age of the world is so different from what the lower worlds perceive it as.If it was time difference,the worlds won't have a lower age,they didn't start at the same time and one just became fast.the silver sea was already running before it

So yes it means the silver sea time is superior.

That's my opinion tho.👍😌
 
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Arzzz said:
Isn't that time difference common in every universe,
the laws of physics will always be the same and constant everywhere. But something happened in space and time that makes it different.
Through different views will produce space and time events differently. All of these things are relative.
So let me ask. Why does the time difference have a relationship to 6D
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No it's not.its like saying something was born before another and then say it's the same age just that one's time is more faster ? It just means one was there before the other.its really simple.dont complicate things
 
Fixxed said:
Bubble world is small and not birted bubble if compare to silver bubble world. As long as the bubble world not evolve to silver bubble is impossible to proof their existance, thats mean in silver sea bubble world is nonexistance or not birted world, and the evolve to silver bubble is make the world exist

The gap between bubble and silver bubble is nonexistance and existance

「泡沫世界は未進化の小世界。この銀水聖海においては、生まれていない世界と言えます。なぜなら、泡沫世界には主神と元首がおりません。主神がいなければ、小世界の秩序を完全に制御することはできず、元首がいなければ小世界の住人たちは争い続けます。行く末は、想像に容易いでしょう」
The bubble world is small, unevolved world. In this silver water sacred sea, it can be said that it is a world that has not been born. Because there is no main god and head of state in the bubble world. Without the chief god, the order of the small world cannot be completely controlled, and without the head of state, the inhabitants of the small world will continue to fight. It's easy to imagine how it will end
泡沫世界だったため、ミリティア世界があると証明することも不可能だっただろう。
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world
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From adding my Long ass Explanation and this. Now I am 200% sure Silver bubbles are Transcended worlds and should be considered as 6D. Leave the Silver Sea alone I have other plans for that in future with better proof
 
Alicred said:
I don't follow Maou Gakuin's fiction, I saw the debaters, talking about this, I listened to the conversation and came to a little conclusion that, I agree with 5D but don't agree with 6D, maybe with feeling
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for those of you who use monika's profile please change it immediately because you don't play the game and follow fiction, so I hope you delete the profile right now
 
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