Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Antvasima]

No problem.

I will unfollow this thread again then.

 

[Delta333]

Anyone knows why 2-A bubble gets rejected

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Well so far only 2-B can be solidly argued for. At least from nulls statement but lets just save it for later.

Bubble having infinite sky so far was rejected as enough to have infinite spacetime/sanctuaries.

Tbh explaining those weird sanctuaries it is daunting and i believe the crt got convoluted with a lot if statements that it became harder and harder to explain or clarify things.

Although 2-B can be argued null and elizhaa has decided to just keep it unchanged for now

 

[Jackpact]

So basically the moment you have to clarify thing instead of giving context to nitpick then the CRT is as good as denied, nice.

 

[Dereck03]

Huh.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Turns out the Silver Sea itself is stated to be infinite in size. With that in mind, maybe Anos will just be flat out 2-A instead of just "possibly" soon...

 

[Dereck03]

Yeah.

WN Chapter 673

「キサマは泡沫世界の住人、戸惑うのは無理もナイ。キサマが生きていた世界の外には、果てしない海が広がっていル。それこそが銀水聖海。そしてそこには数多無数の小世界が存在するのダ」

You are inhabitant of bubble world so its not wonder that you're puzzled. Endless ocean spread out outside the world, in which you live. This is what we called Silver Water Sacred Ocean. And there are countless small worlds there.

The translation should be fine since I got it from someone who actually knows Japanese. Also Ocean = Sea A little credit to Null for asking

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

This would also mean that there are infinite layers, which means that Anos would be one of the few characters who are infinitely above baseline 2-A

 

[Dereck03]

Yes, it could be say, but it would be HUGE assumption.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean, not really. We assume the layers can theoretically house infinite universes because they are infinite in size. The same case would apply here.

 

[Dereck03]

I can't deny that logic tbh..... Well, time to make another CRT....

It would make more sense if we use the "presumed" author explanation that says that there are many more layers than the 99.

 

[Jackpact]

Wait so is the silver sea is endless thing talking about the one that house whatever universe they are talking about or is it talking about it as a whole? Cause this obviously gonna be brought up.

 

[Dereck03]

Wait so is the silver sea is endless thing talking about the one that house whatever universe they are talking about or is it talking about it as a whole? Cause this obviously gonna be brought up.

It means that the entire silver sea is endless.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

In the context of the quote, it is quite obviously talking about the Silver Sea

"Endless ocean spread out outside the world, in which you live. This is what we called Silver Water Sacred Ocean"

 

[Jackpact]

Okay tho prepare for someone to brought that up eventually :v.

 

[Delta333]

Anyone knows a clear reason why bubble being 2-A is not accepted, I have unfollowed the thread so Idk details but I remember it literally follows the same logic as 2-A silver sea

 

[Dereck03]

I don't think anyone currently dares to make such a CRT.

 

[Dereck03]

Anyone knows a clear reason why bubble being 2-A is not accepted, I have unfollowed the thread so Idk details but I remember it literally follows the same logic as 2-A silver sea

There was no proof that the Azure sky had an infinite size so that it could contain infinite Divine Realms, at most they would be countless as it was said in the novel, besides if I am not mistaken there was not much evidence that proved that the Divine realms were 4-D... Although the latter makes very little sense because it is explicitly stated that the divine realms are a microcosm of a universe (4-D) and that in the few divine realms that were shown were 4-D so there is no contradiction so one could easily assume that all are 4-D without problems, but apparently it is not enough.

 

[Delta333]

I mean if Divine Realms are not 4-D then how can they even have time flow, all universal structures are 4-D by default and no one needs to prove it at all.

 

[Dereck03]

I mean if Divine Realms are not 4-D then how can they even have time flow, all universal structures are 4-D by default and no one needs to prove it at all.

Well, ya know, Staff Power.........

 

[Jackpact]

Well, ya know, Staff Power.........

Well if you were to destroy the entire universe then you would only get 3A and not low 2C, but that obviously isn't the case here so really, i don't understand how destroying divine realm isn't low 2C by default.

 

[Jackpact]

Also are there any character development for Anos in the raw? I like his attitude but some development beyond being a chad would be nice.

 

[Dereck03]

If you want to be informed, go read the thread, but don't ask some people here, as they are still hurt that the upgrade has been rejected.

 

[Dereck03]

Also are there any character development for Anos in the raw? I like his attitude but some development beyond being a chad would be nice.

Idk. I am probably the least knowledgeable person about Maou Gakuin.

 

[imZer0Null]

Turns out the Silver Sea itself is stated to be infinite in size. With that in mind, maybe Anos will just be flat out 2-A instead of just "possibly" soon...

"You are an inhabitant of a bubble world, so it is understandable that you are bewildered. Outside the world in which you lived, an endless sea spreads out. That is the Silver Water Holy Sea. And there are many countless small worlds that exist there."

Yeah, I think with that statement we could probably make the Silver Sea solid 2-A without the "possibly" part in a future cosmology revision, but there's always the problem of people who will say it is a hyperbole.

This would also mean that there are infinite layers, which means that Anos would be one of the few characters who are infinitely above baseline 2-A.

Hmm... If I understand correctly, you're basically saying that because the Silver Sea has infinite size, it should be capable of containing infinite layers, the same way the layers which has infinite size are capable of containing infinite worlds?
That could probably work...
I think there might potentially be a few slight issues with this, but I'm also not certain, so for now it doesn't matter.

 

[Delta333]

Btw if Anos reincarnated by the order of reincarnation then how can he be unbound by order

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Btw if Anos reincarnated by the order of reincarnation then how can he be unbound by order

PIS lmao
being unbound can also mean they choose when to be bound if they want

 

[Delta333]

PIS lmao
being unbound can also mean they choose when to be bound if they want

Which feat is PIS? The silica or misfit?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

We also shouldnt forget that Shuu at first only pretended to write up to Volume 3. The statement from being unbound by order comes way later

 

[Delta333]

His feat of using silica and being affected by order of reincarnation appears numerous times even after the existence of misfit stuff

 

[Dereck03]

MEoCD should have all of Venuzdonoa abilities. Change my mind.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Well guys, let us hope that the abyss has some outerversal shenanigans......

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Isn’t Silver Sea containing only 99 layer and above it is the Abyss? Am I mistaken something? At very least I remember it been stated as unknown as no one could perceive beyond 99 layer, right?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Isn’t Silver Sea containing only 99 layer and above it is the Abyss? Am I mistaken something? At very least I remember it been stated as unknown as no one could perceive beyond 99 layer, right?

Not really, the author said there were layers beyond the 99th

 

[XarxesBreak]

it is possible that there is another hierarchy in beyond like the silver sea, like the "golden sea" or something like that, btw don't get too serious with my theory

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

it is possible that there is another hierarchy in beyond like the silver sea, like the "golden sea" or something like that, btw don't get too serious with my theory

and then suggsverse level platinum sea

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Anyone knows a clear reason why bubble being 2-A is not accepted, I have unfollowed the thread so Idk details but I remember it literally follows the same logic as 2-A silver sea

Well Null agreed or neutral for 2B but rejected 2A i can see why he rejected it still some people went back and forth and close the thread. So we didn't even get 2B rating even though we had enough information.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah, I think with that statement we could probably make the Silver Sea solid 2-A without the "possibly" part in a future cosmology revision, but there's always the problem of people who will say it is a hyperbole.


Hmm... If I understand correctly, you're basically saying that because the Silver Sea has infinite size, it should be capable of containing infinite layers, the same way the layers which has infinite size are capable of containing infinite worlds?
That could probably work...
I think there might potentially be a few slight issues with this, but I'm also not certain, so for now it doesn't matter.

There was a statement from Azure sky of gods arc that Creator God being able to see infinite distances.

Also in the later chapter Elensia states silver sea is endless no matter what she sees with those divine eyes that she can't see the end

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In the context of the quote, it is quite obviously talking about the Silver Sea

"Endless ocean spread out outside the world, in which you live. This is what we called Silver Water Sacred Ocean"

Can't we use zero layer to get anos solid 2A as it's bubbles number won't be decreasing a new bubble would replace the destroyed bubble.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Can't we use zero layer to get anos solid 2A as it's bubbles number won't be decreasing a new bubble would replace the destroyed bubble.

This is actually true. We could argue its countless in lower layers cause bubbles have to sink deeper but the 0th layer can never run out of bubbles and keeps producing new ones.