Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

I still remember people arguing about Anos not being able to affect Hectia because of Transcenduality

 

[NIK_FARIS]

I see. So we can use Anos against Transcenduality type 2 characters right ?

I am preeeeety sure having NEP nature type 2 have nothing to do with interact with Transduality type 2 as their only scope would be (existence and nonexistent) and Transduality (2 and 3) take all scope of duality.
Unless Graham is somehow accepted as Transduality and Anos capable of interact and defeat it and gain transdual negatation (But I kinda doubt it as of now)

 

[Pepsiman25th]

imagine if graham actually got himself type 3 and suddenly all of the wikis standards change once more

 

[NIK_FARIS]

imagine if graham actually got himself type 3 and suddenly all of the wikis standards change once more

Type 3 only for 1-A unless one way or another Graham himself become 1-A.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Type 3 only for 1-A unless one way or another Graham himself become 1-A.

If author wanted he could have easily made Silver Sea outerversal layers. He should have just spammed Silver Sea Transcends infinite hierarchy of Dimensionality

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I am preeeeety sure having NEP nature type 2 have nothing to do with interact with Transduality type 2 as their only scope would be (existence and nonexistent) and Transduality (2 and 3) take all scope of duality.
Unless Graham is somehow accepted as Transduality and Anos capable of interact and defeat it and gain transdual negatation (But I kinda doubt it as of now)

Pretty sure you can qualify his true nothingness to type 2

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Pretty sure you can qualify his true nothingness to type 2

You can try make crt to see whether it can go through or not but I don’t think it will, not with how we treated Transduality)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You can try make crt to see whether it can go through or not but I don’t think it will, not with how we treated Transduality)

Read the above explanation null pointed out. Technically it gives limited type 2 Transcenduality

 

[NIK_FARIS]

If author wanted he could have easily made Silver Sea outerversal layers. He should have just spammed Silver Sea Transcends infinite hierarchy of Dimensionality

I don’t think the author should. I think it really good with how the author defined the world building. Of course, the author might write such layer but as of now it is great as it is.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don’t think the author should. I think it really good with how the author defined the world building. Of course, the author might write such layer but as of now it is great as it is.

I was giving example how Graham could have 1A

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Read the above explanation null pointed out. Technically it gives limited type 2 Transcenduality

I already answer you before that above even before null said it.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

I am pretty sure you need to be beyond all level of duality not just one kind of dual system to qualify for Transduality. Regarding Graham, he technically already have low level Transduality (transdual nonexistent) and there not enough proof to show he really transdual in all level duality.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I already answer you before that above even before null said it.

Graham survived from venozdonua which is literally consist of everything. Misfit exists outside of system order. Nothing was able to erase him. Anos needed to absorb him at the end.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

venozdonua which is literally consist of everything

?

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Graham survived from venozdonua which is literally consist of everything. Misfit exists outside of system order. Nothing was able to erase him. Anos needed to absorb him at the end.

That only assuming system order = duality. You need further proof to show it not just on causality but every aspect on duality.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

?

Oh i was referring to destroying everything in creation.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That only assuming system order = duality. You need further proof to show it not just on causality but every aspect on duality.

Yea is just some little explanation about order (but i think it is very important)

Spoiler: Chapter: 402

秩序と秩序は互いに密接に絡み合っている。
創造がなければ破壊がないように、生誕がなければ堕胎もない。
すべての秩序は言わば、世界を循環させるためのものだ。
Order and order are inextricably intertwined with each other.
　Just as there is no destruction without creation, there is no abortion without birth.
　All order, so to speak, is meant to keep the world in circulation.

Spoiler: Chapter: 412

「生誕神ウェンゼルが顕現しているとき、堕胎神アンデルクは存在することができない。同様に堕胎神アンデルクが顕現していれば、生誕神ウェンゼルは存在できぬといったところか？」
肯定するように、ウェンゼルはうなずいた。
「わたくしたちは、神々の蒼穹においても、特別な理を持つ神。表裏一体の秩序、決して互いに向き合うことのない、背表背裏はいひょうはいりの姉妹神です」
コインの表と裏のようなものか。
両方が同時に出ることは決してありえぬ。
"When Wenzel, the god of birth, is manifest, Andelk, the god of abortion, cannot exist. Likewise, when Andelk, the God of Abortion, is manifested, Wenzel, the God of Birth, cannot exist?"
　As if in affirmation, Wenzel nodded.
"We are gods with a special reason even in the azure skies of the gods. We are sister deities of two sides of the same order, never facing each other."
　Are they like the two sides of a coin?
　You can never be both at the same time.
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.
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「なぜ話さなかった、と訊くのは愚問か。表裏一体の秩序ならば、アンデルクが滅びれば、お前もまた滅びるのだろう。その猶予が一日というわけだ」
"Is it foolish to ask why I did not tell you? If the two orders are inextricably linked, if the Andelk fall, you will fall too. And you have only one day to do so."

So order and order is inextricably interwined and linked, it is for the circulation of the world. It is two side of the same coin, like order of creation-destruction and order of birth-abortion

So order and order is make the duality system, not just duality but conceptual duality because order is concept

I think is character is stated to be unbound by order it also means unbound by duality system (transduality )

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Oh i was referring to destroying everything in creation.

Creation and destruction just is duality on its own.

Yea is just some little explanation about order (but i think it is very important)

Spoiler: Chapter: 402

秩序と秩序は互いに密接に絡み合っている。
創造がなければ破壊がないように、生誕がなければ堕胎もない。
すべての秩序は言わば、世界を循環させるためのものだ。
Order and order are inextricably intertwined with each other.
　Just as there is no destruction without creation, there is no abortion without birth.
　All order, so to speak, is meant to keep the world in circulation.

Spoiler: Chapter: 412

「生誕神ウェンゼルが顕現しているとき、堕胎神アンデルクは存在することができない。同様に堕胎神アンデルクが顕現していれば、生誕神ウェンゼルは存在できぬといったところか？」
肯定するように、ウェンゼルはうなずいた。
「わたくしたちは、神々の蒼穹においても、特別な理を持つ神。表裏一体の秩序、決して互いに向き合うことのない、背表背裏はいひょうはいりの姉妹神です」
コインの表と裏のようなものか。
両方が同時に出ることは決してありえぬ。
"When Wenzel, the god of birth, is manifest, Andelk, the god of abortion, cannot exist. Likewise, when Andelk, the God of Abortion, is manifested, Wenzel, the God of Birth, cannot exist?"
　As if in affirmation, Wenzel nodded.
"We are gods with a special reason even in the azure skies of the gods. We are sister deities of two sides of the same order, never facing each other."
　Are they like the two sides of a coin?
　You can never be both at the same time.
.
.
.
「なぜ話さなかった、と訊くのは愚問か。表裏一体の秩序ならば、アンデルクが滅びれば、お前もまた滅びるのだろう。その猶予が一日というわけだ」
"Is it foolish to ask why I did not tell you? If the two orders are inextricably linked, if the Andelk fall, you will fall too. And you have only one day to do so."

So order and order is inextricably interwined and linked, it is for the circulation of the world. It is two side of the same coin, like order of creation-destruction and order of birth-abortion

So order and order is make the duality system, not just duality but conceptual duality because order is concept

I think is character is stated to be unbound by order it also means unbound by duality system (transduality )

Then It just simply had another aspect on duality.

 

[Orioreeem]

Yea order does sound like duality, and as we know it since they are concepts, they are also all dualities. Misfits being unbound by it would be type 2 transduality.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Creation and destruction just is duality on its own.

Doesn't change anything it has no anti feats. If Graham is not unbound by reality he would have died in one go. Even heavenly Father couldn't stand any chance against venozdonua

Then It just simply had another aspect on duality.

Type 2 (False General Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of all dual systems and concepts within the scope of an entire level of reality. Any non 1-A (Outerverse level) characters who transcend duality at a basic level would also qualify for this level, as space and time can be thought of as dual concepts, as well as existing within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Creation and destruction just is duality on its own.

Then It just simply had another aspect on duality.

Creation and destruction, death and rebirth are just and aspect of a dual system. You have to really show the system order applies to all dual system of the verse.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Venuzdonoa destroying all order doesn't really mean transduality on its own. The best argument you have is Misfits being unbound by order, the other stuff wouldn't work.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Doesn't change anything it has no anti feats. If Graham is not unbound by reality he would have died in one go. Even heavenly Father couldn't stand any chance against venozdonua

Type 2 (False General Transduality): Being qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of all dual systems and concepts within the scope of an entire level of reality. Any non 1-A (Outerverse level) characters who transcend duality at a basic level would also qualify for this level, as space and time can be thought of as dual concepts, as well as existing within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality.

 

[Orioreeem]

orders are all concepts of the world hence all dualities.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Venuzdonoa destroying all order doesn't really mean transduality on its own. The best argument you have is Misfits being unbound by order, the other stuff wouldn't work.

I mean even order of order heavenly Father couldn't hold his power against venozdonua. It's clearly Graham is unbound by all level of reality

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean even order of order heavenly Father couldn't hold his power against venozdonua.

So? If anything, it would just be an interaction feat for venuz, not a physiology one.

 

[Orioreeem]

It could be a good supporting evidence that Anos would be unbound by order because he created a weapon that denies it

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So? If anything, it would just be an interaction feat for venuz, not a physiology one.

Why? By statement it should destroy anything and everything in reality Graham true nothingness couldn't be destroyed by it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It could be a good supporting evidence that Anos would be unbound by order because he created a weapon that denies it

I mean even in deeper layers it doesn't have anti feats only one who survived it was Graham. I think his true nothingness should be considered as transcenduality.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Why? By statement it should destroy anything and everything in reality Graham true nothingness couldn't be destroyed by it.

You don't get transduality by destroying things

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You don't get transduality by destroying things

We just need to prove Graham is unbound by reality which he is by statement of venozdonua Destroying everything in reality no matter how tough or infinite it is. If it has anti feats then that's different thing. But it's even working properly on deeper layers

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I have doubt regarding three sided world created by Misha and Sasha. Which is correct. I asked my friend also he said hundreds of thousands worlds. Just wanna know what others think.

Translation 1

I guess. Worlds continue to be created endlessly in an attempt to unleash the power to destroy hundreds and thousands of worlds.

Translation 2

The world continues to be created as it unleashed and unleashed the power to destroy hundreds or thousands of worlds.q

Translation 3

I don't know. The world will continue to be created forever if the power to destroy hundreds of thousands of worlds is unleashed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sadly, she looked at the Deity of Deepening.

Hm. You don't care what happens to humans, demons, spirits, or dragons? Dirfred did not answer at once, but kept her eyes slightly downcas

No," he said. No. Let's speak in terms that can't be misunderstoo

He looked at me again and said, "If I had to put it in human terms, I would say that I am a drago

If I had to put it in a simple way, I would say that we are theater performers. Tragedies and comedies are all plays played out on the stage of life. When we see a play, we may think, we may ponder, we may philosophize. But the showman who makes a difference between tragedy and comedy according to his own taste is a foo

I see. I see. As long as it is performed, that is all that matter

That's right. I see. There is no rank in performance. Comedies and tragedies are equally wonderful. God's mission is to maintain the order of the stage, that is, to keep the performances going. The result is that tragedies happen to be the most common. We have no intention of harming anyon

God the Deepening speaks as if it were a matter of cours

This is not a stage. People live in this world. Their suffering is real

Isn't this implies Gods are higher plane of existence who watches the mortal world like stage play?

 

[NIK_FARIS]

From what I read, it sound 101000 universe but then again the word ‘hundreds and thousands” can be interpret as separate word as “one hundred world” and “one thousands worlds.the conjunction here is really important.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Isn't this implies Gods are higher plane of existence who watches the mortal world like stage play?

This can possibly be R/F but it could also interpret as a play of word. Like how a king seeing his people as chess play.

 

[Orioreeem]

It seems more like it's saying they control the rules of world rather then r/f difference

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This can possibly be R/F but it could also interpret as a play of word. Like how a king seeing his people as chess play.

Not really. There is a statement that Heavenly father of gods made. Gods being higher existence and gods maintains the reality of the world. But i get what you mean

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It seems more like it's saying they control the rules of world rather then r/f difference

Still they seems to be higher existence like Heavenly father of gods said.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

I have doubt regarding three sided world created by Misha and Sasha. Which is correct. I asked my friend also he said hundreds of thousands worlds. Just wanna know what others think.

Translation 1

Translation 2

Translation 3

You can send the raw translation. I can try checking it out.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

From what I read, it sound 101000 universe but then again the word ‘hundreds and thousands” can be interpret as separate word as “one hundred world” and “one thousands worlds.the conjunction here is really important.

Actually in wiki hundreds and thousands is interpreted as very large number. I mean one way