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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

ROZAN-TIMSINA0 said:
well more info about Volume 15 of Light Novel

it will be released on June 7

and here's the synopsis

The story of Noah, the "Two laws," in the past has arrived. The "Godless Continent" arc begins!
Synopsis:
Anos and his friends have conquered the Magic Bullet world. Now that the immediate threat is gone, they have traveled to the "Fusion World," the hometown of Ronculus, who has not awakened after "Fusion Reincarnation," to investigate the cause. As they follow Ronculus' footsteps, the memories of the endless journey that he and the man known as the "Two laws" Noah walked together resurface in Anos' mind. Noah gathered those who were abandoned by the world order and gave them a place to belong. When Anos learns that the "Godless Continent" where these people live is in danger, he decides to meet with Zinnia shivaheld, the Great Demon King who rules the Deep worlds――!?
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Finally the story explores Ronculus and Noah and with that there's still Hestonia, Amura and Zinnia as the only unexplored Demon Kings left so it really might be ending soon.
I was kinda hoping it'll be a long running series with at least 30 volumes but it is what it is. I doubt it'll end within the next 5 volumes though if Shu dedicates an entire arc to explore one character and there's still the mystery about Elmide too
 
Maou Gakuin is very close to ending.
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A question.: If a hax with higher D AP (4D) is used against a character with several 3D defensive hax (that are already active), will the attack with higher D AP simply "ignore" the haxs 3D? Due to the higher dimensionality in the AP.
 
Dog3352 said:
A question.: If a hax with higher D AP (4D) is used against a character with several 3D defensive hax (that are already active), will the attack with higher D AP simply "ignore" the haxs 3D? Due to the higher dimensionality in the AP.
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Kinda confused. You talking about hax or AP?
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Kinda confused. You talking about hax or AP?
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Hax with AP 4D, or simply AP (I don't know if the difference between saying "hax with 4D AP" or "hax 4D"), I mean, like Venuzdonoa, if a character tries to use some 3D hax against Venuzdonoa, like reality warping, physics manipulation, or something like that, Venuzdonoa will just ignore the hax 3D?
 
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Dog3352 said:
Hax with AP 4D, or simply AP (I don't know if the difference between saying "hax with 4D AP" or "hax 4D"), I mean, like Venuzdonoa, if a character tries to use some 3D hax against Venuzdonoa, like reality warping, physics manipulation, or something like that, Venuzdonoa will just ignore the hax 3D?
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It's better to just say 4D hax. It depends on if it's trying to hax venuzdonoa or block venuzdonoa's AP
 
Tatsumi504 said:
It's better to just say 4D hax. It depends on if it's trying to hax venuzdonoa or block venuzdonoa's AP
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Can 3D haxes that Venuzdonoa doesn't have block Venuzdonoa's 4D haxes but not AP?

I mean, there's a fight going on between Anos and a 3D character... The character has 3D abilities that Anos doesn't have, such as Mathematics manipulation, physics manipulation, reality warping, subjective reality, information manipulation type 2 and void manipulation, I was wondering if an attack from Venuzdonoa could simply "ignore" these haxs due to higher D, and also he can't interact with CM.
 
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Dog3352 said:
Can 3D haxes that Venuzdonoa doesn't have block Venuzdonoa's 4D haxes but not AP?

I mean, there's a fight going on between Ans and a 3D character... The character has 3D abilities that Anos doesn't have, such as Mathematics manipulation, physics manipulation, reality warping, subjective reality, information manipulation type 2 and void manipulation, I was wondering if an attack from Venuzdonoa could simply "ignore" these haxs due to higher D, and also he can't interact with CM.
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Venozdonor has all of those though
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Venozdonor has all of those though
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But the current profile doesn't have that, I'm sure Venuzdonoa will have it when it's complete, but currently it doesn't, maybe it has Subjective Reality and Information Manipulation Type 2 since it seems to already have that on the back, as it has it in the "common" resistances section and information type 2 in Venuz's profile, but not the rest.
In fact, simply distorting the laws/rules/concepts of the world is already considered reality warping, right?
 
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Dog3352 said:
But the current profile doesn't have that, I'm sure Venuzdonoa will have it when it's complete, but currently it doesn't, maybe it has Subjective Reality and Information Manipulation Type 2 since it seems to already have that on the back, as it has it in the "common" resistances section and information type 2 in Venuz's profile, but not the rest.
In fact, simply distorting the laws/rules/concepts of the world is already considered reality warping, right?
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I thought you are arguing off site?
Also Disorder Scythe has reality warping Venozdonor was able to contend with that
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I thought you are arguing off site?
Also Disorder Scythe has reality warping Venozdonor was able to contend with that
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Nah, it's a fight on the site.
I remember this, is the scythe the only thing in MGK that has reality warping? I thought there were other "distorting order" statements in MGK.
 
Introduction

In this CRT it has already been accepted that some anti-magic applications (such as barriers) give resistance to haxs, as these anti-magic applications allow resisting abilities, which is also connected with magical power (MGK's universal energy system ), when a character has greater magical power than his opponent, he is able to overcome the opponent's resistance/anti-magic (Melheis adds more magic power to his spell to overcome Anos' anti-magic), in addition to the ability to resist abilities also having a connection with the amount of magical power that the character has (after getting a power boost, Anos was able to resist Melheis' magic which was overcoming his anti-magic).

Everything I mentioned previously are things that have already been accepted into the CRT.

There is this CRT thas was accepted, being the various abilities that anti-magic can resist naturally (with the exception of some that are resisted with willpower), which I will naturally take into account for the layers (mainly the initials).

Basically: Greater Magic Power = Greater Resistance (layers) = Greater haxs (layers)



Layers

Zepes<<<< Leorg (1 Layer. One-shot his brother and are Much more powerful than his brother. He was able to cause the colosseum's barriers to destroy, something that not even 80 demons together were able to do)<<<< Zombie Zepes (2 layers. Gained a huge power boost and surpassed Leorg, easily defeated him in one hit)<<<< Sasha and Misha (3 Layers. Sasha Necron is a member of the Court of Chaos and a strong candidate for Demon King, she and Misha possesses immense magical power compared to the demons of the Magical Era, which puts her far above demons like Zepes and Leorg. Misha is comparable tô Sasha)<<<< Ivis Necron (4 Layers. Much more powerful than Sasha and Misha, casually surpasses both)<<<< Eugo La Ravaiz (5 Layers. Much stronger than Ivis, Eugo La Ravaiz was the only being besides Anos that Misha couldn't see the full strength of)<<<<< Eugo La Ravaiz + Ivis Necron (6 Layers. Eugo fuses with Ivis, mixing their magical power, and after that, it fuses with Eugo's scythe, which increases its power by 10x)
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I'm thinking about doing a blog to add some layers to MGK (this is just a draft), any thoughts on?
Does anyone know where Anos says that Sasha wouldn't lose to any demon from the Magical Era?
 
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Dog3352 said:
I'm thinking about doing a blog to add some layers to MGK (this is just a draft), any thoughts on?
Does anyone know where Anos says that Sasha wouldn't lose to any demon from the Magical Era?
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You'd need more than that CRT to prove the stuff about magic power but I'm already prepping for layers so there's no need to worry there, some of the stuff you listed doesn't really count either
 
As I have mentioned in some other threads I am currently looking over regeneration that have been misused, and I am going over them slowly. One of them comes from Maou gakuin.

Regeneration (High-Godly with <Agronemt>. With <Agronemt>, Anos can reform himself even after his source has been destroyed[13]),

Now my proposal isen't to remove it or anything like that, But I think it should be moved to "healing" instead of regeneration. Since we can clearly see it isen't passive.

Now as i was asked to do (go to the verses one by one and asked them about it before making a small crt to fix it. Do you guys have any more evidence why this should remain as "regeneation" and not healing? (It will have the same propertise just that it is no longer passive, and that is more acruate with how the healing works with "agronemt and Revide"

So, before i make a CRT about it, can you prove that it isen't an "active" ability or have any problem with me making a CRT about it?
(If you could explain why it should remain regeneration instead of healing I would not need to make a CRT about it)
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
As I have mentioned in some other threads I am currently looking over regeneration that have been misused, and I am going over them slowly. One of them comes from Maou gakuin.

Regeneration (High-Godly with <Agronemt>. With <Agronemt>, Anos can reform himself even after his source has been destroyed[13]),

Now my proposal isen't to remove it or anything like that, But I think it should be moved to "healing" instead of regeneration. Since we can clearly see it isen't passive.

Now as i was asked to do (go to the verses one by one and asked them about it before making a small crt to fix it. Do you guys have any more evidence why this should remain as "regeneation" and not healing? (It will have the same propertise just that it is no longer passive, and that is more acruate with how the healing works with "agronemt and Revide"

So, before i make a CRT about it, can you prove that it isen't an "active" ability or have any problem with me making a CRT about it?
(If you could explain why it should remain regeneration instead of healing I would not need to make a CRT about it)
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Isn't this because he can cast agronemt even after his source has been destroyed? It's essentially passive isn't it?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Isn't this because he can cast agronemt even after his source has been destroyed? It's essentially passive isn't it?
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No, he casted it before. he just sent it into the future using "revide" and decding on a "source" that would cause the spell to activate.

Also their is no such things as "essentially passive" it is either passive or not passive.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
No, he casted it before. he just sent it into the future using "revide" and decding on a "source" that would cause the spell to activate.

Also their is no such things as "essentially passive" it is either passive or not passive.
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No, I wasn't referring to when he cast it, I'm talking about how a person can think and use magic with their source. Anos's source is even more complex than Graham's no? Graham's true source is nonexistence, isn't it possible for him to cast spells even if his normal source is destroyed? And as a result, can't Anos do the same thing?
 
There's also the fact that his MEOCD has greater logic manip than venuz that allows him to passive regen as well
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
No, I wasn't referring to when he cast it, I'm talking about how a person can think and use magic with their source. Anos's source is even more complex than Graham's no? Graham's true source is nonexistence, isn't it possible for him to cast spells even if his normal source is destroyed? And as a result, can't Anos do the same thing?
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tbh, I am not 100% sure their, but either way that would be far into the future so it is irrelevent, and if it did it would be quite contradictory.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
No, he casted it before. he just sent it into the future using "revide" and decding on a "source" that would cause the spell to activate.

Also their is no such things as "essentially passive" it is either passive or not passive.
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In volume 4 part 2, after Avos's source was destroyed it immediately gotten regenerated and here no revide or such spell used to cast it.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
tbh, I am not 100% sure their, but either way that would be far into the future so it is irrelevent, and if it did it would be quite contradictory.
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Well I am also not sure so I was just asking, also contradictions are kind of this series strong suit so I don't see how that'd be an issue?
 
Godsatoshi23 said:
In volume 4 part 2, after Avos's source was destroyed it immediately gotten regenerated and here no revide or such spell used to cast it.
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Revide is always used before hand, This is something we see confiremed time and time again, natruálly No story will describe the same proces every time it happend. We even have Anos describing how Agronemt work.

( I honestly think It may just be easier if I open a CRT for it, and we can debate it their?)
 
Also, this again proves that Agronemt had been precasted.... and the only way for it to have been "just sitting their" is with the help of Revide.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Revide is always used before hand, This is something we see confiremed time and time again, natruálly No story will describe the same proces every time it happend. We even have Anos describing how Agronemt work.

( I honestly think It may just be easier if I open a CRT for it, and we can debate it their?)
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No, in this case there is literally no proof of that. Even in the anime she's completely caught off guard since she has venuz in her hand and expects Anos to be incapable of doing anything
 
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