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This thread has been a long time coming.
I think everyone here can agree that the double standards on this site are getting out of hand. It starts becoming less of a "whataboutism" when it becomes a gigantic repeat of the same "x verse has this". It becomes a pattern. So here's what I purpose. There needs to be a choice made on the double standards here. And all verses should follow those standards. I will bring up 2 things that have been common to me recently. If there is any other double standard missing, please list them below.
Dividing Infinity
Recently, there's been a clear problem with higher-dimensional upgrades, where we scale someone to a portion of infinte/higher-dimensional energy, and either we assume that they downscale to it because it's infinite and logically you can't divide infinity, or we think they don't scale to the tier because writers aren't aware of the energy they are dividing.
For example, one of the reasons Bleach was downgraded was due to the Captains and other weaker characters scaling to Reio remnants, because you can't divide an infinite tier.
By Kukui (Not staff, but his reasoning was agreed upon):
However, one of the reasons Ness from Earthbound didn't scale to the Player's 5D energy was because it was assumed to be an infinitely smaller portion.
By AKM Sama:
Either way, a decision has to be made here. You can't turn around and say one verse can't divide infinity, but then assume another verse can.
Higher-Dimensional Destruction via Statement
I was going to bring up the recent Mario CRT as an example, but frankly, this seems so common on the site it's ridiculous, and it has affected many verses such as Kirby, Bleach, and many more when attempting an upgrade.
You've seen this happen with many Tier 2 and up characters. Some bad guy is going to destroy "x", and it's stated by a reliable source that it will happen, but we don't see it happen in the story, and the methods used are vague, as well as the fact that we don't know whether or not it was overtime. The examples of this being accepted on the site are honestly too many to count, so for that reason I won't be going into them as they should probably be known by most here. So either:
- Make a rule that requires visual evidence for what's being destroyed and what method they use, as well as a rule for stuff that can be assumed to be overtime
or
- Use Occam's Razor, and just say that the character can destroy said place physically because it's the least assumptive answer, and assuming more would cause further problems.
I just want a decision made. The sheer inconsistency of the site is one of the main reasons people are starting to dislike it. And one way or another, something needs to change here.
I think everyone here can agree that the double standards on this site are getting out of hand. It starts becoming less of a "whataboutism" when it becomes a gigantic repeat of the same "x verse has this". It becomes a pattern. So here's what I purpose. There needs to be a choice made on the double standards here. And all verses should follow those standards. I will bring up 2 things that have been common to me recently. If there is any other double standard missing, please list them below.
Dividing Infinity
Recently, there's been a clear problem with higher-dimensional upgrades, where we scale someone to a portion of infinte/higher-dimensional energy, and either we assume that they downscale to it because it's infinite and logically you can't divide infinity, or we think they don't scale to the tier because writers aren't aware of the energy they are dividing.
For example, one of the reasons Bleach was downgraded was due to the Captains and other weaker characters scaling to Reio remnants, because you can't divide an infinite tier.
By Kukui (Not staff, but his reasoning was agreed upon):
The point about “a casual use of it will never be greater than a focused attack” literally and completely doesn’t matter at this point when dealing with Tiers 3 and above. Or more specifically, 3-A, Low 2-C, and tiers above them. Why? Because now, we are dealing with tiers that involve infinite energy where things cannot be quantifiably divided like they could in tiers like 6-A or 5-B. Low 2-C power will always continually be Low 2-C, no matter how much it is divided into smaller amounts. Dividing it in half? It’s Low 2-C. Divided by hundreds? It’s Low 2-C. Divided by billions of times? Sextillion amount of times? Power used at 0.0000000000000001%? It is still Low 2-C, period. The only differing factor here is that these lower amounts of Low 2-C power are unquantifiably lower the more it is divided up. But it’s not going to be so much weaker upon division that it drops out of the tier. This is the basics to how Low 2-C works and why downscaling from Low 2-C is very much a thing on this site to cement characters scaling to the tier, even if just lower to unknown extents.
So in the case of Bleach here, where your side is still adamant on keeping the Weakened Soul King’s sustenance feat Low 2-C, this is the same thing. The Reiatsu would still be Low 2-C levels of power, no matter how much unquantifiably lower the divided pieces of Reiatsu would become. Reio’s gremlin monsters and the remnant of Yhwach’s Reiatsu would still be using Low 2-C power under this premise, they would just simply be much weaker than the total sum of Low 2-C power that Yhwach and Weakened Reio would have at once. So in order to even be in the presence of these Reiatsu pieces without so much as getting vaporized, much less be able to combat and destroy them, you would need to be Low 2-C still in order to do that. It’s as simple as that.
However, one of the reasons Ness from Earthbound didn't scale to the Player's 5D energy was because it was assumed to be an infinitely smaller portion.
By AKM Sama:
Not necessarily. Fiction, most of the time, doesn't follow the hard and fast rule that a fraction of infinity must be infinity, so we have be be flexible at times to accommodate logical scenarios. Like, Bulma isn't Low 2-C simply because she survived a slap from Beerus. Also, you can extract or use a finite portion from a power source that contains infinite power, like Android 18.
Either way, a decision has to be made here. You can't turn around and say one verse can't divide infinity, but then assume another verse can.
Higher-Dimensional Destruction via Statement
I was going to bring up the recent Mario CRT as an example, but frankly, this seems so common on the site it's ridiculous, and it has affected many verses such as Kirby, Bleach, and many more when attempting an upgrade.
You've seen this happen with many Tier 2 and up characters. Some bad guy is going to destroy "x", and it's stated by a reliable source that it will happen, but we don't see it happen in the story, and the methods used are vague, as well as the fact that we don't know whether or not it was overtime. The examples of this being accepted on the site are honestly too many to count, so for that reason I won't be going into them as they should probably be known by most here. So either:
- Make a rule that requires visual evidence for what's being destroyed and what method they use, as well as a rule for stuff that can be assumed to be overtime
or
- Use Occam's Razor, and just say that the character can destroy said place physically because it's the least assumptive answer, and assuming more would cause further problems.
I just want a decision made. The sheer inconsistency of the site is one of the main reasons people are starting to dislike it. And one way or another, something needs to change here.
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