Madoka vs. Enerjak redux

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

AP has nothing to do with hax, unless you're infinitely above baseline.

^^^^

 

[Theuser789]

That's what I am saying, this is just false, there's one CRT but that was never accepted, it's just going nowhere

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Then idk. Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable about Archie Sonic.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Madoka FRA.


(plays a Madoka OP)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Madoka FRA

 

[ElixirBlue]

I'm letting everyone who voted Madoka "FRA" relying on the information above know they will not get their vote countered if the prevoius reasoning for Madoka to win gets countered.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Enerjak's resistance to law manipulation is scaled from Super Sonic's resistance to, not the Genesis Wave, but the Super Genesis Wave.

@Cal yeah, what was the downgrade thread for Enerjak's AP?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

The only "counter" I see is that "Jack resists" without actually elaborating how powerful the resistance is.

 

[SomebodyData]

He resists Holy Manipulation (Forces you to speak your sins while burning away), Regenerationn Negation (He does regen right? I can't find it on his page and I find it hard to believe he just gets poison maniped to death), Darkness Manipulation / Dazzle (In PMMM, it just makes you blind, but also affects extrasensory perception), Skill / Magia Seal (Seals passive abilities and non-standard attacks), Curse Manip (Damages the enemy overtime)?

 

[Schnee_One]

Madoka exists and sips some Tea and calls it a day

 

[ElixirBlue]

The resistance to law and conceptual Manipulation comes from Super Sonic's Chaos Control/Super Genesis Wave rewriting the laws and concepts of the infinite multiverse and Super Sonic's Power not being effected by the rewrite.

True Enerjak upscales from Super Sonic.

 

[ShakeResounding]

The only "counter" I see is that "Jack resists" without actually elaborating how powerful the resistance is.

Super Sonic resisted the Super Genesis Wave completely rewriting his 2-A multiverse with only slight alterations to his physical being, and True Enerjak is obviously superior to him.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Super Sonic resisted the Super Genesis Wave completely rewriting his 2-A multiverse with only slight alterations to his physical being, and True Enerjak is obviously superior to him.

To be fair, Enerjak's page should explain he upscales from Super Sonic.

 

[Infiniverse_of_Oblivion]

Enerjak's law manip resistance come from scaling greatly above Super Sonic who resisted the epicenter of the Super Genesis Wave which rewrote all laws and creation across the Multiverse. Super Sonic's resistance < Chaos Force Beings =< True Enerjak

Also I really doubt Enerjak's AP being comparable to Madoka's especially when I heard the thread was never actually accepted as we would need proof of it dropping.Even then Enerjak would still be greatly stronger than millions of times above baseline when taking Maginary World into consideration which has dimensional worlds of all people who dream across all zones.

 

[ShakeResounding]

This is a haxmatch so dropping AP completely (like the last thread) is probably what's gonna happen here

Also what abilities here are allowing Madoka to pull a fast one on Enerjak?

 

[Infiniverse_of_Oblivion]

I bring up AP because Madoka powernulling someone so much stronger isn't gonna fly.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

I bring up AP because Madoka powernulling someone so much stronger isn't gonna fly.

Madoka powernul has nothing to do with ap and they can bypass resistances. That is one of the reasons why she can keeps UKG at bay despite the latter has conceptual erasure too.

 

[Dragopentling]

I wonder if UKG vs Enerjak was already done yet, btw.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

I wonder if UKG vs Enerjak was already done yet, btw.

UKG stomps with High-Godly regen.

 

[SomebodyData]

Pretty sure that the resist to law manip is actually an acasuality feat, if that's where it comes from.

Otherwise Madoka probably scales to a signficantly higher degree from how someone else was unaffected.

 

[ElixirBlue]

UKG stomps with High-Godly regen.

That High-Godly Regen comes from UKG escaping Law Manipulation through a loophole, right? But stayed gone after Madoka closed up that loophole.

 

[SomebodyData]

Gone yes, destroyed no.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Madoka powernul has nothing to do with ap and they can bypass resistances. That is one of the reasons why she can keeps UKG at bay despite the latter has conceptual erasure too.

But wouldn't that be NLF, unless UKG had close to the same power stats as Enerjak?

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

But wouldn't that be NLF, unless UKG had close to the same power stats as Enerjak?

Why would it be an NLF when it's basically the same hax? AP hardly matter unless Jack is Infinitely above baseline 2-A.

 

[ElixirBlue]

He currently is, I believe, as that downgrade thread wasn't accepted. Things have gone to a stop for it since we've been discussing Type 8.

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

His justification is nowhere near being infinitely above baseline, in fact, his justification IS pretty much just baseline 2-A.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Where are you referring to when it comes to justification for "True Enerjak"?

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Madoka exists and sips some Tea and calls it a day

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Where are you referring to when it comes to justification for "True Enerjak"?

Transcendenting a realm of Infinite Universe is just baseline 2-A.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

lavos wants to have tea too

 

[Theuser789]

His justification is nowhere near being infinitely above baseline, in fact, his justification IS pretty much just baseline 2-A.

Except that Enerjak is stronger than Super Sonic, and the Chaos Emeralds AP page explain way above baseline AP

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

His justification is nowhere near being infinitely above baseline, in fact, his justification IS pretty much just baseline 2-A.

Except that Enerjak is stronger than Super Sonic, and the Chaos Emeralds AP page explain way above baseline AP

Not denying Jack higher ap, which hardly relevant here, but the he ain't Infinitely above baseline 2-A.

 

[Dragopentling]

Pretty sure that the resist to law manip is actually an acasuality feat, if that's where it comes from.
Otherwise Madoka probably scales to a signficantly higher degree from how someone else was unaffected.

Isn't Devilmura about the same AP as Goddoka? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Dragopentling]

Madoka exists and sips some Tea and calls it a day

I could totally picture this. In fact, she kinda, well, does that with Mami in that final ep of the OG series.

 

[ElixirBlue]

True Enerjak is above the Chaos Emeralds (Archie Comics)

Multiverse level+ (The Chaos Emeralds are physical manifestations of the Chaos Force, which binds all planes of existence and exists outside the space-time of infinite universes. Can create a "Super Genesis Wave", which can rewrite all of existence within the Archie Sonic-verse. Empowered Super Sonic to perform his feats, such as defeating Solaris and the Egg-Wily Machine X. Granted the Ancient Walkers their power. An innumerable amount of Chaos Emeralds (enough to create an ocea, as well as scatter across the surface of a planet) were sealed into the Zone of Silence and fused into seven greater Chaos Emeralds, when the power equivalent to only fourtee was enough to threaten infinite realities.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I don't see Madoka power nulling that without Justifications of her own.

 

[ElixirBlue]

 

[Dragopentling]

Enerjak mindhax passive or what?

Btw, Madoka does have resistance to that. It's just Homura mindhax was just that much more potent.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Mind Manipulation for Enerjak is due to scaling, as other Chaos Users have used Mind Hax like Mogul.

It's not passive.

 

[Dragopentling]

Mind Manipulation for Enerjak is due to scaling, as other Chaos Users have used Mind Hax like Mogul.
It's not passive.

So the usual upscaling via comparison to other related characters. Is it 5D mindhax?