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Madoka for Kalt's reasons
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Madoka Kaname vs. World Guardian
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Kaname has this. I'd choose someone who can pretty much one-shot, as well as paradoxed their opponent over a character whose only method is not very effective.
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Change my vote to Madoka for the reasons stated above.
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Just saying, the only thing Madaka has is her paradox arrow. The AP difference really won't matter thanks to attack-nullifying powers such as Barricade and Resonance. And WG can close the AP gap with stat drain and stat increases.
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I mean we are really talking about a "why are you still tier 5" kind of AP advantage (Also why she will soon be "At least Planet level+, likely far higher")
Madoka is 95 massive power boosts above the version of herself that scales from baseline-ish.
Also arrows bypass barriers and all of them still destroy the soul. WG resists, but worth pointing out that Madoka took the soul of every magical girl across history. Average magical girl lives for a year or two, and magical girls were a thing already when mankind started getting out of caves (Actually the reason behind it).
Is WG's resistance comparable?
Madoka is 95 massive power boosts above the version of herself that scales from baseline-ish.
Also arrows bypass barriers and all of them still destroy the soul. WG resists, but worth pointing out that Madoka took the soul of every magical girl across history. Average magical girl lives for a year or two, and magical girls were a thing already when mankind started getting out of caves (Actually the reason behind it).
Is WG's resistance comparable?
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WG's resistance is kinda hard to get a full number behind. He couldn't be soul destroyed by the Spirit Beast, a being who devoured a town's population. Only reason Spirit Beast didn't consume more was because he hadn't finished tunneling through the universe yet. If he was able to complete his tunnel and arrive in the real world, he could have consumed all the souls on the planet if left alone. That said Spirit Beast couldn't do it instantly.
The second best feat would be resisting the soul attacks of a being who constructed an artificial god made of an unknown (yet greater than 1,000) number of souls.
The Staff of Armadyl is capable of draining the soul of a god, who is vastly above the second being. And soul siphoning is in-character for WG w/the Staff, since that is how he killed Sliske (although Sliske survived it by implanting a fragment of his soul into WG).
It is unknown if the offensive soul powers of the SoA grant the user defensive soul protection of the same level.
Does Madoka lead with that paradox arrow?
The second best feat would be resisting the soul attacks of a being who constructed an artificial god made of an unknown (yet greater than 1,000) number of souls.
The Staff of Armadyl is capable of draining the soul of a god, who is vastly above the second being. And soul siphoning is in-character for WG w/the Staff, since that is how he killed Sliske (although Sliske survived it by implanting a fragment of his soul into WG).
It is unknown if the offensive soul powers of the SoA grant the user defensive soul protection of the same level.
Does Madoka lead with that paradox arrow?
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I'd say that "every magical girl throughout history" would be higher than that.
At the very least one for each city/town is needed, and their life is very short.
Madoka technically only used paradox arrows, but it's complicated to judge because she literally used them once then became 2-A, so we can't really know if it's because she spam it way too much or not
At the very least one for each city/town is needed, and their life is very short.
Madoka technically only used paradox arrows, but it's complicated to judge because she literally used them once then became 2-A, so we can't really know if it's because she spam it way too much or not
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"Then became 2-A"
Wow. Quite a jump.
Also yeah I really don't know who wins this. Feels like they can both destroy each other fast. Only depends if she leads with the death-to-the-past arrow. If she doesn't she gets her soul absorbed and her body encased in ice.
Wow. Quite a jump.
Also yeah I really don't know who wins this. Feels like they can both destroy each other fast. Only depends if she leads with the death-to-the-past arrow. If she doesn't she gets her soul absorbed and her body encased in ice.
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So is her only attack in this state the arrow or do all attacks bypass barriers?
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All her arrows bypass barriers and that's pretty much the only way she attacks (she has melee attacks but she never fights in CQC in character). All of them soul hax as well.
We do not know if all the arrows travel trough time (i'm assuming that she can choose whether or not they do) however.
We do not know if all the arrows travel trough time (i'm assuming that she can choose whether or not they do) however.
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Ah.
So are gap closing speed abilities allowed in speed equal? Because Surge would get WG in range pretty quickly.
So are gap closing speed abilities allowed in speed equal? Because Surge would get WG in range pretty quickly.
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Well it's pretty big. He goes from Superhuman to Hypersonic to burst forward, though he cannot attack while moving at this speed.
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I'd rather conclude the debate first.
@Assalt
That will surely help quite a lot, but would it help WG that much?
Even if he closes the distance, Madoka's incredibly good homing means that he is bound to get hit even if he does manage to pull off the right combo
@Assalt
That will surely help quite a lot, but would it help WG that much?
Even if he closes the distance, Madoka's incredibly good homing means that he is bound to get hit even if he does manage to pull off the right combo
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I can see that. Even though I do believe WG can indeed win, I think Madoka would win at least 6/10 times, so I'll give my vote to her for a hard-fought victory.
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