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Madara vs Ganondorf (TOTK)

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If you made it so Ganondorf believes the orbs and staff could erase him with a mere touch, do you think the outcome would be different? The orbs are primarily used as a ranged attack, so he might be able to dodge them even if he's slower
The issue is that he's having to dodge attacks currently accepted as over 5 times faster than himself, thats not a small difference. Not impossible to deal with but even with prior knowledge he's gonna struggle the the gap, like I said earlier flurry rush speeds are currently below where they should be and the speed gap should be far smaller but atm kinda hard to argue in favour of Crenando with a 5x speed difference gimping him.
 
The issue is that he's having to dodge attacks currently accepted as over 5 times faster than himself, thats not a small difference. Not impossible to deal with but even with prior knowledge he's gonna struggle the the gap, like I said earlier flurry rush speeds are currently below where they should be and the speed gap should be far smaller but atm kinda hard to argue in favour of Crenando with a 5x speed difference gimping him.
Madara also faster than his own value
He should be atleast 20c normally
 
Madara also faster than his own value
He should be atleast 20c normally
I mean yeah he'd still be faster with the 20c rating but it wouldn't be over 5 times greater if we actually gave Nando the proper multiplier lol, still would be a struggle but a lot more manageable.
 
The issue is that he's having to dodge attacks currently accepted as over 5 times faster than himself, thats not a small difference. Not impossible to deal with but even with prior knowledge he's gonna struggle the the gap, like I said earlier flurry rush speeds are currently below where they should be and the speed gap should be far smaller but atm kinda hard to argue in favour of Crenando with a 5x speed difference gimping him.
Dodging projectiles 5 times faster than you is not that difficult if they are launched from a long distance, which is something Madara would do. I'm also not sure if the TSO would completely erase his body if he attempts to swat them away, Obito's didn't completely erase Minato's body. Ganondorf is immortal so he may be able to continue fighting if his hand is destroyed, and if that does happen, Ganondorf would likely try to avoid touching the orbs and put more effort into his attacks. The AP gap could allow him to one shot Madara
 
Dodging projectiles 5 times faster than you is not that difficult if they are launched from a long distance, which is something Madara would do. I'm also not sure if the TSO would completely erase his body if he attempts to swat them away, Obito's didn't completely erase Minato's body. Ganondorf is immortal, so he may be able to continue fighting even if his hand is destroyed. If that does happen, he would likely try to avoid touching the orbs and put more effort into his attacks. The AP gap could allow him to one-shot Madara
Then you run into Madara Sage mode prediction bs which would make any dodge impossible
 
Would that not just be a resistance feat for Minato? (I can't actually see this link atm because I'm on my new phone and haven't got a vpn installed on it yet, I love living in the UK)
I don't believe so, because in Naruto, you explicitly need a power known as the Sage of Six Paths chakra to resist it, and Minato doesn't have it

Then you run into Madara Sage mode prediction bs which would make any dodge impossible
I don't think he combines the prediction ability of Sage Mode with his ranged jutsus in a way that would make it impossible for Ganondorf to dodge them

There's something else I want to add- Madara doesn't spam TSO erasure for the entire duration of the fight. He used it repeatedly at the beginning of his fight against Obito and Might Guy, but he's also willing to use other jutsus like the Chibaku Tensei, Light Fang (a light speed attack that Ganondorf would dodge), or the lightning Jutsu which can be tanked or avoided. Meanwhile a medium effort projectile from Ganondorf might one shot him
 
There's something else I want to add- Madara doesn't spam TSO erasure for the entire duration of the fight. He used it repeatedly at the beginning of his fight against Obito and Might Guy. Still, he's also willing to use other jutsus like the Chibaku Tensei, Light Fang (a light speed attack that Ganondorf would dodge), or the lightning Jutsu which can be tanked or avoided. Meanwhile, a medium effort projectile from Ganondorf might one-shot him
It's passive, he knows what is and what isn't. For example, when Tobirama tried to backstab him from his blind spot with teleportation, he instantly dodged and countered

For him to not use it is a massive blunder
 
I don't believe so, because in Naruto, you explicitly need a power known as the Sage of Six Paths chakra to resist it, and Minato doesn't have it


I don't think he combines the prediction ability of Sage Mode with his ranged jutsus in a way that would make it impossible for Ganondorf to dodge them

There's something else I want to add- Madara doesn't spam TSO erasure for the entire duration of the fight. He used it repeatedly at the beginning of his fight against Obito and Might Guy, but he's also willing to use other jutsus like the Chibaku Tensei, Light Fang (a light speed attack that Ganondorf would dodge), or the lightning Jutsu which can be tanked or avoided. Meanwhile a medium effort projectile from Ganondorf might one shot him
No attack from ganandorf will hit madara
Even if he cant react in time (which is almost impossible) he still has limbo clones.
Madara would immobilize him with limbo clones and he would gain enough time to use tso
 
It's passive, he knows what is and what isn't. For example, when Tobirama tried to backstab him from his blind spot with teleportation, he instantly dodged and countered

For him to not use it is a massive blunder
People avoid getting hit by them and its definitely not because they can somehow "resist" predictions. Instantly dodging and countering an attack isn't a very impressive prediction feat

No attack from ganandorf will hit madara
Even if he cant react in time (which is almost impossible) he still has limbo clones.
Madara would immobilize him with limbo clones and he would gain enough time to use tso
The Limbo clones are too weak to do any damage. Madara seems to prefer to use them to physically strike his opponents. Its also not an ability he uses throughout the entire fight so its not like it will block all of Ganondorf's attacks
 
People avoid getting hit by them and its definitely not because they can somehow "resist" predictions. Instantly dodging and countering an attack isn't a very impressive prediction feat
I was just giving the bare minimum of Sage mode. If you want feats, actually, then Sage mode can go against the Sharingan. To put that into perspective the Sharingan at its
  • 1st stage: can react and counter with “flawless” attacks
  • 2nd stage: allows it to react to danmakus of attacks such as iron balls and kunai
  • 3: In addition to the previous two it now allows you to perceive images of all the actions your opponent is about to do
These predictive capabilities are powerful enough to work on hundreds of people at the same time while providing perfect counters to all their attacks. Characters like Naruto can counter and outpredict the Sharingan with all its analytical capabilities without any form of prediction or sensing capabilities of his own. Moreover, he can fight against byakugan users who have their own form of kinetic analytical prediction that allows them to hit needle-sized points on a moving opponent.

For Naruto himself, sage mode is an unparalleled upgrade to his analytical prediction abilities so much so that he says it's better than Kurama’s negative emotion sensing analytical prediction, and his base abilities. Madara is already much more skilled than base Naruto and was washing him (and his Kurama/Sage AP) with only Sage mode and no eyes.
 
People avoid getting hit by them and its definitely not because they can somehow "resist" predictions. Instantly dodging and countering an attack isn't a very impressive prediction feat


The Limbo clones are too weak to do any damage. Madara seems to prefer to use them to physically strike his opponents. Its also not an ability he uses throughout the entire fight so its not like it will block all of Ganondorf's attacks
He used limbo clones for defence more then offence
And it will block almost all attacks and ganandorf cant see or sense it
 
Damn, its already over?
i mean, there are 2 TMs here and nobody locked the thread yet, so if there's a huuuuuuuuge turn of events and a solid argument for Ganondorf that changes the vote tally, things can be edited

...but ig you saw how unlikely this is atm
 
I was just giving the bare minimum of Sage mode. If you want feats, actually, then Sage mode can go against the Sharingan. To put that into perspective the Sharingan at its
  • 1st stage: can react and counter with “flawless” attacks
  • 2nd stage: allows it to react to danmakus of attacks such as iron balls and kunai
  • 3: In addition to the previous two it now allows you to perceive images of all the actions your opponent is about to do
These predictive capabilities are powerful enough to work on hundreds of people at the same time while providing perfect counters to all their attacks. Characters like Naruto can counter and outpredict the Sharingan with all its analytical capabilities without any form of prediction or sensing capabilities of his own. Moreover, he can fight against byakugan users who have their own form of kinetic analytical prediction that allows them to hit needle-sized points on a moving opponent.

For Naruto himself, sage mode is an unparalleled upgrade to his analytical prediction abilities so much so that he says it's better than Kurama’s negative emotion sensing analytical prediction, and his base abilities. Madara is already much more skilled than base Naruto and was washing him (and his Kurama/Sage AP) with only Sage mode and no eyes.
I looked at the sage mode scans and it seems to help with dodging attacks more than landing projectiles. I don't doubt that Madara could dodge the attacks, but Ganondorf would only need to land a single one to incap him, which wouldn't be impossible since it has homing properties. Madara is likely to block some of Ganondorf's attacks instead of dodging them, which could lead to him getting hit and incapped
 
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