Lupin III Discussion Thread (2)

[Fireld]

We're in trouble folks! Scans from imgur with no accounts like this are gonna get nuked.

most movies i've seen with this style are fire

Could you name-drop some other movies in that style? I'm bored atm.

 

[Arceus0x]

We're in trouble folks! Scans from imgur with no accounts like this are gonna get nuked.

Could you name-drop some other movies in that style? I'm bored atm.

How do scans have no accounts?

 

[Fireld]

How do scans have no accounts?

You can upload stuff on imgur even without needing to create an account there. Try it yourself if you want while you still can.

 

[Fireld]

We're in trouble folks! Scans from imgur with no accounts like this are gonna get nuked.

I got me an account now & switched the link

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

I got me an account now & switched the link

I also got an account by now xD.

 

[Fireld]

So what's the 1st Lupin-related thing yall saw? Mine was Farewell Nostradamus.

 

[Arceus0x]

So what's the 1st Lupin-related thing yall saw? Mine was Farewell Nostradamus.

Castle of Cagliostro while searching for Miyazaki movies

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

So what's the 1st Lupin-related thing yall saw? Mine was Farewell Nostradamus.

Well...

When I first experienced Lupawn lll, it didn't start with Miyazaki, hell I wouldn't know what meaning "Caligostro" had as of that date, if I did hear such a name then it will sound to me like some vehicular title, to a shockingly familiarly closely named IRL individual upon later revelations, but I also wouldn't know that there was an entire 50+ year span of the Lupawn³ verse just yet.

For me, if memory serves: My first actual encounter with him was when the dub of the Part 4 Dub first released I think? When I still had a lot more channels, I was skimming torwards the Adult Swim/Toonami hours to record some of the usual stuff... Only to stumble upon the, as of that day, peculiarly named "Lupin The Third: Part 4". I don't remember witnessing much fanfare (Maybe they were airing the episodes of Part 4 again) but even then I recorded it out of the rare curiosity to later watch... Now I wasn't hooked right away, though the plot was still nuts for me to gain some interests much later.
When Lupin The Third came into my radar on Toonami once more via Part 5 I did the same, this time I decided to do much more research then intially, given the door was starting to get peaked (0:33 plus all the way to the end, to this day always gives me more goosebumps then it did), I gradually found the out of context clips... THEN I started to truly become fond of this Mönky thiefs own escapades/accolades...

It took awhile, but the guy actually did it...

Castle of Cagliostro while searching for Miyazaki movies

Caligostro was... Okay tbh. I'm at least thankful this made Lupin a smidgen more respectful/balanced of what we mostly have today, instead of being straight up evil (though I heard that this quote was apparently debunked, Lupin originally still wasn't far off from it).

 

[Tonygameman]

Thiefy Bump.

 

[Fireld]

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Occasional Thiefty Bumps.

Also I cannot stress enough on just how humorous this post is to me again.

(Zoom in... Magnify...)
The Average Inspixter Enjoyer

Despite probably pushing 50, pops is indeed looking fine. Surprised Fujiko amongst other people aren't allured by this Chad of a man.

Gigachad actually IS just a comically chin and chiseled Keabu Zenichada, also: Just imagine a segment with Zenigata being stuck in the Backrooms. How is he going to get out without Lupin or Toonforce Shenanigans to help XD.

But I'm sure Zeni will go through the usual insurmountable willpowering hell and back journey, ends up finding a way truly back somehow, and just carry on with cases like nothing happened. Hell Zeni might even write a book about it and it might even grab Lupin's interests because yes.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Occasional Thiefty Bumps.

Here's some more respect from Lupinlll:

In fact from just this one video, Lupin amongst others indeed have more versatility then what they are currently labeled as.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Hey, just remembered I was gonna try to scale Lupin III a long ass time ago before kinda dropping the series for a while. What are yall working on over here?

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Hey, just remembered I was gonna try to scale Lupin III a long ass time ago before kinda dropping the series for a while. What are yall working on over here?

Well first off before anyone tries anything, I need to sort out what we have too with another colleague of mine first.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Sounds good, lmk when you get started on working on revisions because I'd like to help out where possible.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Sounds good, lmk when you get started on working on revisions because I'd like to help out where possible.

Excellent! I could use all the help I need, for now I am working on it (operating on a slab of a phone is tedious as it is so it takes time). All I'll say is that:

Lupin himself is of important emphasis and is actually more horrifyingly OP then we once thought of the guy. If you seen my SB CRT is that I deliver some good stats, Lupin is surprisingly very close to that potential.

 

[Tots_Real]

So what's the 1st Lupin-related thing yall saw? Mine was Farewell Nostradamus.

Probably Cagliostro though I may have watched Mouse Detective first which I guess technically would count since it did just barrow the ending of Cagliostro.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Update: I have since given the feats for Fireld to archive plus give his own thoughts/honorable mentions/seal of approval (on my cellular I unfortunately cannot archive sadly, and currently have no laptop to reliably edit) so we can then start the CRT, alongside other OP honorable mentions that I forgot on the list.
Still hasn't responded me thus far and although I get he's busy, I noticed Lupin's profile has been updated as he said, with some of the feats from the CRT added regardless. All that I am saying is that a heads up would be nice too, but I get everyone's busy (I too am busy). Just giving an update here, I will say that the CRT is still as promising, just waiting for the heads up from him.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Update:
Since the date of "Aug 6, 2023" Fireld has said to me that it would be done in some of those 2 days, that's cool... So um, now it's the 23rd. I believe in his efforts as he's done before (Looney Tunes Verse stuff, Sonik apparently, and some SB contributions, etc. etc.) I mean I cannot stress enough that he has my immense respects, and I am aware we are all personally busy... I just hope he's handling things well on his end, I am not just asking work stuff here, I want to see if he's doing good in general as well. We are also reaching September and most of those feats are Gify links, they will be deleted by the time September 1st comes around. Although yes as I said, he's archived some on Lupin's profile, as seen here:

Lupin III (Character)

Lupin III (ルパン三世, Rupan Sansei) is the grandson of Arsène Lupin, and is the world's most wanted gentleman thief. He sometimes appears incompetent, but mostly as a charade to catch his opponents off guard. While he has been arrested and thrown in jail on a number of occasions, he has always...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Another thing, currently I now have my personal laptop access thankfully, so should anything out of reach happen I can now help out. Just waiting...

In the meantime, here's a thing:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

There are already reasons as to why Lupin violates/disrespects Gru somewhere there in the comments (unless Gru will show something real good in the upcoming 4th film. I may doubt it given this is ******* Illumination) xD.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Hey, just remembered I was gonna try to scale Lupin III a long ass time ago before kinda dropping the series for a while. What are yall working on over here?

Probably Cagliostro though I may have watched Mouse Detective first which I guess technically would count since it did just barrow the ending of Cagliostro.

So to give you two and the rest a heads up too: I am about done with the CRT. Just reviewing stuff...

 

[Stefano4444]

So to give you two and the rest a heads up too: I am about done with the CRT. Just reviewing stuff...

Call me when its done.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

So to give you two and the rest a heads up too: I am about done with the CRT. Just reviewing stuff...

Call me when its done.

Lupin fans rejoice!


Lupin in specific is my current target of course, but one can add the feats of characters that Lupin scales to as well (One's labelled as "Source?" are the one's I need lavelled). Name anything else that you have and I will credit you like I did in the SB thread, there are also more I found on the Respect Threads of course which mattered the most. Outlandish at first, but it will all make sense. This isn't even Manga Lupin... Yet.

Establishing No Canon:
So um... Monkey Punch has clearly directed Dead or Alive... And this is not the only thing he Directed. I propose: An establishing of No Canon, the continuity is malleable and loose as it is, and these are but mere examples. This is not a bad thing, that means Lupin has the SBP potential of furthering other media usage too (manga, games, etc.).
Other Examples: Lupin Zero takes place in the 1960's... Only for Caligostro to ALSO take place in that year alongside other dates, don't even get me started on the First, etc, etc.

So with the freedom of no canon, then Lupin's status surely becomes insanely more outlandishly powerful then it is thanks to the Manga + Other Media.

So anyways, this is what I have gathered up bois, and I went some extra miles with these, so hopefully it was worth the wait:

Statistics (thus far):
• Establishing more powerful Toon Force maneuvers:

• If he misses, it will come back like a boomerang to hit the opponent, can overall deflect back one's inventory cartoonishly even with his bullets. In fact he has iconically defied physics very consistently throughout the franchise and is always prone to using such when endangered.
• Puffed himself back up from being squished.
• Since Part 1 he can incapacitate this way as well.
• Known to get away from Zenigata in cartoonish ways very consistently (0:12).
• Everything in "strange psychokinetic strategy".
• There is overall even more consistencies of Toonforce further below then just Lupin's Psychokinetic Strategy (I hope all of those Psychokinetic labelings are still worth it however, cuz MAN has it been DIFFICULT to label them lately, but also: MAN how OP this already is. He finally has Time Manipulation/OP Hax too so yaaaay!! ).

• Teleportation:

• Switched clothes without touching it or arising suspicion (18:51), is seen without Jigen's wallet but still snatched it out of him anyways (19:07), spontaneously appeared alongside wine (22:37), spots a wild Fujiko thus once more thus uses Teleportation to get there while leaving objects suspended in action (31:08), threw a knife that suddenly spawned TNT out of nowhere (55:34. Automatic Teleportation), masterfully outfought Zenigata before who also has notable Toonforce (59:47 and 1:00:43), disguised himself as someone else via nothing already (1:05:57).
• Can be taken severely off guard yet still utilize variety of abilities from duplications and Teleportation's to fool those and get away, his incapacitating and disguising are also used like this also leaving duds, clearly using said outlandish abilities to further his unexpectancy.
• Teleports places with people even strip them of what they have with said Teleportation while also teleport bobbie traps that fully rids Zenigata.
• Despite having his entire body restrained from handcuffs, he still teleports out of it.
• Teleports large amounts of inventory that overwhelms foes and can spawn said inventory from nothing as it is with various elements.
• His skill with this is already unpredictable since he was a child learning even if he was in drunken state, Lupin has also defeated foes this way before.
• Uses Teleportation to not only avoid attacks but also sneakily spawn other things amongst teleporting through other undisclosed locations to think of a better execution.

• Transmutation:
Not only can Lupin spawn inventory from nothingness, but also transmutes one's projectiles.

• Duplication:

• Can be taken severely off guard yet still utilize variety of abilities from Duplications and Teleportation's to fool those and get away.
• Lupin duplicates from nothing even when he's killed (getting some eldritch Cat in the Hat vibes again).

• Actual 4th wall breaking and Plot Manipulation (yes, really):

• Censored out nudity (54:54) and constantly breaks the 4th wall in general.
• Summoning the episode's name by calling "Title!" after stepping off of a plane (Part II).
• Fully acknowledges that he has control over the plot as he turned a fan suggested idea into a reality, with Zenigata supporting it and the writer himself saying he'll leave the rest to Lupin even then the animator automatically helps out regardless and he and the crew entered the real world and altered events there (Dimensional Travel too).
• His shooting alone can reach his title sign and through the 4th wall.
• Stopped the episode from ending, to the extents a robot duplicate of himself reminded the audience to care for their their hygiene (Part 2. "Source?").
• Lupin can also acknowledge crucial future events that would help better assist the situation (Cosmic Awareness) as seen here, here, and here (There should be more instances then just Part 2).
• The whole crew like Jigen and Zenigata are aware for being in a cartoon and manga respectively. Part II; Episode 7 and Manga. So Jigen and Zeni can potentially do the same plot/toon Hax as Lupin.

Bonus! Peak Tier Idea (5th Dimensional Lupawn... I know, hear me out):
We finally know that there is a 4th Dimensional Plane, but Lupin can enter the real world that is clearly above this. The most scary thing is that there is blatant consistency to be made as Lupin has fired bullets past said 4th wall which Lupin has tanked, has entered the real world countless times with the commercials being acknowledged in the canon such as in "Mystery of Mamo", Scales to Zenigato very consistently and who aside the 4th wall breaks also accidently breaks the animation frames which falls under far more consistent Looney Tunes shit (I guess I was on to something with that TMS's Animainacs vibes), Lupin went as far as to outwit and even brought his God into his world if we go with Manga.
Look, if Markiplier of all people can get this, then I gotta attempt this with Lupawn XD.

• Enhanced Senses:

• Lupin is unaffected by smoke on top of fighting off the Fuma Clan whom are very agile and stealthy on their own.
• Can deduce one's origin's of inventory by their sound.
• While he will aim at the barrel/weak spots of one's inventories, Lupin can also disarm someone with nothing but quarters very consistently even with his back turned casually, flipping quarters with his gun alone is but a warm up to him.
• Detects the intricately hidden from conspicuous spies, one's traps down to one's intentions to trap him consistently, their lethal inventory no matter of how well hidden it is even the most miniscule evidence regardless if a stealthy tracking device were to be planted on him he will still know thus counteracts it from the beginning, scales to Jigen who is able to sense when a tank was ready to fire its shell in "Part 2. Episode 136", could also just dispatch Jigen in a gunfight whom has an unparalleled accuracy consistently, stalemates Goemon very consistently who can intricately yet quickly remove hidden explosives from one's hearts, can be surrounded close quarters yet still easily deflect all of their bullets just as consistently, able to leave projectiles suspended in mid-air, can fight in the dark, etc.

• Instinctive Actions:

• Since part 1/beginnings, Lupin can shot far away opponents from behind very consistently, also causing entire trained squadrons to fail.
• Lupin can have his back turned and still instinctively outperform, before they even made any moves.
• Toyed with and also dodged Fujiko's rounds blind (TWCFM. Source Gifs?).
• Lupin automatically acted upon a gunner, regardless of how far away (TWCFM. Source Gifs?).
• Successfully evades the advanced Danmaku gauntlet even in spots one wouldn't react to, where as earlier just one beam will delete them from existence.
• Stalemates Goemon very consistently who can cut distant shooting stars with his eyes closed.
• Lupin instinctually maneuverers his inventory regardless of distance.
• Unlocks safes without looking at them.

• Attack Reflection:

• Aside Toon Force, Lupin is comparable to Goemon who can casually deflect a knife.
• Can block projectiles that gets deflected back at the opponents.

• Afterimage Creation:
Able to create Afterimages (1:29) complex enough to deter powerful opponents like Goemon who Lupin would have killed if it weren't for Zenigata interfering, Goemon can also block projectiles before they are fired and are literally useless against Goemon.

• Extrasensory Perception:

• Scales to Jigen who can not only finished off those that are also well hidden, but one of them didn't even have the time to appear (17:38), to the extent Jigen couldn't keep up with Lupin's sensory (23:46).
• Lupin not only senses a well hidden Zenigata, but also scales to Goemon who also sensed MI6 Agents hiding in various far areas.
• Comparable to Zenigata who can detect them out in space.

• Precognition:
Even if he isn't told, he still knows what it is via just "being Lupin" (28:10).

• Non-Physical Interaction and Soul Manipulation:

• When Lupin was younger he can interact with the soul of a car (2:12) and has physically held spirits before.
• Won a race against Pablo Escobar's Ghost hard enough to break the curse.

• Immortality:

• Types 2, 3 and 6: Has no issues puffing back from a flattening and scales to Zenigata who also came back from a flattening. Can receive countless beatings, strains, overall torture daily, that reduced his 300 IQ to 1, yet Lupin reveals that he can just recover. Lupin duplicates from nothing, even when he's directly killed/damaged he can duplicate back at peak health very consistently also adding an extra disguise on top of it in the intro of the Italian Game.
• Types 7: There is evidence of people dying in verse and coming back as ghosts consistently (self explanatory from the NPI and Soul hax).

Immortality Negation (thus far):
Type 2: Can rid Zenigata who can recover from a flattening.

• Limited Cybogization:
His eye has a bionic implant (Daisuke Jigen's Gravestone).

• Existence Erasure:
Physically rids one's inventory from existence.

• Sealing:
Sealed Fujiko away.

• Supernatrual Luck:

• Causes victims attempts to backfire terribly (26:38).
• Has domino effects that will lead to his favor.
• The problems that he doesn't know, will become simplified.
• Throws artifacts into the ocean, only for such to return.
• In "Farewell to Nostradamus" Lupin was saved by dolphins out of nowhere (Source?).
• In "Is Lupin Still Burning?" Even when his entire life was Reverse Flashed by Kyouske, Lupin's partners not only strangely found their ways back to Lupin but also went for his aid despite not knowing who he is.
• Literal windows of opportunity will appear out of nowhere as a maze to deter his opponents (Mankatsu. Source?).

• Reactive Evolution:

• Since Part 1/beginnings: Regardless if Kyouske doesn't demonstrate how he does his abilities, Lupin then reveals doing the same abilities to what Kyouske Mamo did and can now outwit him as well where as Kyouske is complex enough to master the 4th Dimension to it's capabilities and in "Is Lupin Burning?" Lupin can still maneuver his advanced tech to not only fix the alterations but also trap Kyouske in the stone age, in another he even solved his riddle despite of the gap too.
• Just from a dazed state alone helped Lupin deduce one's inventory like Pycals Formula.
• Jigen who had a sensory eventually couldn't keep up with Lupin's sensory (23:46) with Lupin not falling for the same trick twice (33:48) even after being taken off guard with another, he ran a marathon to get home and gradually surpassed the abilities of one that was intially better then him on it (34:18).
• While he is effected by the Suicide Ray, once he got hit again he has gained a slightly better resistance to it and can at least fully dodge them where as before he was taken off guard by it (There should be better examples of him bypassing what effects him before, this is just to get the ball rolling).
• Lupin would initially struggle against one's inventory, only to overpower such to his advantages even if it was cranked all the way up as Lupin defeated the other, and walks away like nothing happened (what a chad. But there's more xD).
• Struggled with enhanced cyborgs but can eventually contend with them even physically, surpassing Cyborg Jigen as well, with his inventory also becoming stronger then before to the point Cyborg Jigen feels pain despite being inorganic.
• Mr. X who engineers Indestructible bodies that even bypassed the Zantesuken can also be an exact physiology of Lupin that overwhelmed him at first, only for Mr. X to no longer keep up Lupin.
• Once he gets stronger, he can fully destroy their inventory consistently (1:01).
• Eventually one shots those whom were much more unpredictable and far more quicker or agile then him initially.
• Hulked out men joked from being moved or effected even by knifes, yet Lupin eventually bypassed his abilities.
• Constantly challenges and would have killed Goemon, who in "Goodbye Partner" had an advanced AI saying Goemon's Zanetsuken shouldn't have been able to cut certain objects after analyzing it, yet Goemon bypassed such (source). The same Goemon would have eventually killed Hawk even giving a vison of it, Hawk can deflect bullets right behind him, leave them sort of suspended in mid-air, and deflect them back at Zenigata who was in extreme pain despite of his Pain Tolerance, Zantesuken also has its own elements (for reference: See Lupin's Zanetsuken Knife on equipment). Goemon can also create danmaku in a single slice (0:03).
• Consistently challenges Zenigata, who can make immediate truthful deductions rather consistently, yet Lupin defies such just as constantly throughout the franchise as mere running gags regardless if Zenigata has his own Toonforce (59:47 and 1:00:43) and other abilities like Teleportation (0:32. He teleported his hat back).
• Mamo despite being thousands of years old plus acquired the knowledge amongst wisdom of all geniuses, scientists, philosophers of history, and claimed to be behind most historical events, still had Lupin eventually keep up with his tricks to the extent Psychic Mamo deemed Lupin a god from his unpredictable nature (Source Gifs?).
• Solved the mystery of the Tower of Babel, when not even members of an advanced alien civilization could in over thousands of years (source).
• In "Daisuke Jigens Gravestone" Lupin discovered that Yael Okuzaki was using a device hidden on his eye that allowed him to see the cameras in the entire city, even though Lupin never saw Okuzaki's device, he was able to create a better one and hacked Okuzaki's (Source Gifs?).
• Agent Nyx aside his senses can also accurately measure the probability of one's capture accurately, yet once more Lupin grew to defy such calculations too rather consistently even in Nyx's bloodlusted states which has a 0% chance of winning, only for Lupin to still deter said calculations even if Nyx purposely handicapped Lupin from walking, Lupin walked away fine and Lupin reveals that Nyx sees the world in slow motion too.
• It takes years with no success to decrypt genius scientist Waturu Uraga's hidden complex codes, only for Lupin to quickly deduce the said hidden code written in different languages of the same scientist capable of implanting a personification of himself inside one's subconscious, which in it's self took as many years in the making too.
• The highly adaptive Leonardo Da Vinci Clone classified as a world threat that is further composed with all the greatest minds of the past from Wataru's invention easily replicated Wataru Uraga's invention but on a more massive scale to the point of making everyone on Italy fall asleep and was going to replace all of those personalities with his own, only for Lupin to not only be the first to wake up despite the larger gap, but after Lupin insterted his persona regardless of how much world altering DaVinci did, Lupin still proved to be the stronger persona and thus fully ruined DaVinci's plans. The best part to seal the deal is that other crew members also scales to Lupin here, they have finally kept up with DaVinci's abilities including Nyx, whom was casually overpowered before by DaVinci even in a bloodlusted state.
• Lupin can intially struggle being exposed to strong magic even down to corrupting one's soul, yet eventually negates such.

• Damage Reduction and Damage Transferal:
When Lupin gets hit, only the weapon has the injuries instead, which Lupin can transfer the damage back into incapacitating the aggressor.

• Resistance Negation:

• Surpassed beings like Cyborg Jigen, his inventory also becoming stronger then before to the point Cyborg Jigen feels pain despite being inorganic.
• There are those whom resist his attacks (Soul Manipulation, Durability Negation, Existence Erasure etc.), and can eventually bypass.

• Time Manipulation:

• Freezing plus shrugging off his own time stop (7:19. Time Stop resistance too), speeds up time to the point they don't realize that Lupin isn't even trying and dispatches them under the said sped up time (25:03), slowed down time again (56:12), has masterfully outfought Zenigata before who also has notable Toonforce (59:47 and 1:00:43), in fact Lupin uses Time Manipulation first to incapacitate trained assassins (53:20). Reminder: Lupin's RE can also surpass one's abilities.
• He has stopped time since Part 1 (5:42) surprisingly consistently (0:51).

• Furthering Stealth Mastery:

• Lupin has already evidenced using his abilities as meticulously sneaky from Teleportation, Duplication, Incapacitations, Time Manipulations (as he has demonstrated, so the audience alone can understand), Plot Manipulation (although the idea was fan suggested, Lupin revealed that he can create episodes that although Zeni acknowledges this, didn't truly know the full picture), being an overall Master Trickster in general even outwitted God.
• Lupin and his gang can vanish from crowds without a trace and appear in another longer location, let alone them knowing that they were even there in the first place.

• Furthering greater Informational Analysis:

• Consistently challenges and evolves against an opponents Info Analysis like Zenigata, who can make immediate truthful deductions rather consistently, yet Lupin defies such just as constantly throughout the franchise as mere running gags regardless if Zenigata has his own Toonforce (59:47 and 1:00:43), other abilities like Teleportation (0:32. He teleported his hat back), and have Reactive Evolution.
• In "Goemon's Bloodspray" Lupin deduced the inner machinations of Goemon's Sixth Sense and what he was doing this whole time, unlocking his fastest sense Lupawn calls "The Realm of the Buddha".
• In "Lupin the First" Lupin managed to quickly figure out the entire laser gauntlet's machinations in moments.

• All-Terrain Hypermobility:

• Leaps this high alongside Fujiko (6:32) also using said acrobatics as attacks (6:42), does these flips again to rob Jigen from his firearms who is the same that has Extrasensory Perception (19:53).
• Very equilibrated enough to leap on top of fast moving vehicles and easily runs across tightropes very consistently.
• Lupin can overall leap large distances regardless of the lack of equilibrium and can balance from debris as seen in Babylon.
• Able to easily keep his balance from just the tips while having his hands full, even during duressing fights.
• Comparably uses his own grappling hook as acrobatic maneuvers even for close saves.
• Maneuvered through the danmaku laser gauntlet, even in spots one wouldn't react to, where as earlier just one beam will delete them from existence.
• Casually flips around and steals from assassins whom weave through the verses bullets in the dark.
• Can triple jump.
• Leaps out of Jigen's bullets who has unparalleled accuracy, even stalemating Goemon whose strikes alone has defied gravity, reach shooting stars, amongst others whom have challenged them throughout.

• Free Movements:

• Can run through the ocean very consistently.
• Defies gravity to save someone very consistently.

• Flight:
Capable of freely floating in the air while carrying bags filled with gold in Part 2 (source?).

• Durability Negation:

• Inventory is shown to do this (1:10:27).
• Can dura neg on his own.
• His shooting alone can reach his title sign and through the 4th wall.

• Statistics Amplification:
He can lower and raise his IQ through eating proteins, thus he has 301 IQ.

• Very high resistances to Social Influencing:

• It's rare that Lupin is deceived by someone due to his ability to read people's expressions and detect lies (source?).
• Doesn't fall for professional acting.
• Can easily see through disguises in a variety of ways.
• Tomoe states that she wasn't able to control Lupin as a kid to make him believe she was his mother, her persuasive words alone also didn't work on Lupin (source?).

• Better establishing how effective his Social Influencing actually is... Master Trickster Status (yes we are going there too with Lupin, hear me out):

• Humorously does reverse psychology on dutiful cops (3:30), even being the very first film has Lupin's gæ influencing rizz working on Jiggin (1:05:27), perfectly disguised himself as someone else via nothing already and convinced just as easily (1:05:57).
• Upscales from whatever Tomoe can do (source?).
• Convinced the hardened Zenigata of "Disguise Syndrome".
• Disarmed/Deters with words alone (yes he LITERALLY pulled a Doctor Who).
• Even if there are woman in deep relationships, Lupin instantly seduces them regardless if they barely knew him.
• Lupin's persuasion at his most nonchalant is still potent enough in just needing glasses to remain undetected, even in modern times he is still widely recognized as the world's 1# thief down to his acknowledged 300 IQ yet as effective that even after revealing himself it took awhile for them to get the jist.
• Since Part 1 he grew to outwit Kyouske who mastered the 4th Dimension, Mamo with his thousands psychic brain who influenced crucial events in history eventually outmatched by Lupin, the evolving Da Vinci Clone who comparably proved to be as much of a challenge only to be outplayed, just overall those who pose a challenge to Lupin's persuasion whom is the same that can detect lies to seeing disguises in a variety of ways have been bested.

• Ice Manipulation Resistances:
Seems to be deterred by being frozen solid, only to budge out of it in fact he has grown stronger to the point of moving and even sneezing out of it.

• Deconstruction resistances (surprisingly):
Tanked weaponry that didn't even disintegrate through him or his disguising let alone inventory alone, even though said weaponry explicitly reduces one to charcoal.

• Resistances to Info Analysis:

• His inventory can now deny Nanomachine Scans (Dead or Alive. Source) and already wears a mask revealing his real face on top of it (Part 5. Source?)
• Consistently challenges Zenigata, who can make immediate truthful deductions rather consistently, yet Lupin defies such just as constantly throughout the franchise as mere running gags regardless if Zenigata has his own Toonforce (59:47 and 1:00:43) and other abilities like Teleportation (0:32. He teleported his hat back) even in modern times.
• Not only was M16 tech unable to identify Lupin going through areas, Agent Nyx aside his senses can also accurately measure the probability of one's capture accurately, yet once more Lupin grew to defy such calculations too rather consistently even in Nyx's bloodlusted states which has a 0% chance of winning, only for Lupin to still deter said calculations even if Nyx purposely handicapped Lupin from walking, Lupin walked away fine and Lupin reveals that Nyx sees the world in slow motion too.

• Resistances to Supernatural Luck (yes really):
Challenges Goemon very consistently and could have killed him in part 6, whose chops alone managed to unnaturally budge passwords amongst boosting other things (So no, this isn't part of a "Vision").

• Resistances to Extrasensory Perception and Precognition:

• Despite Goemon having already defeated the best in the world and has grown stronger by now where in "Goemon's Blood spray" has achieved "the realm of the buddha" to the extent Goemon can send a vison even then admits that he struggles with Lupin, Goemon also hangs out with him constantly as he is one of the strongest in the world and in part 6, Lupin would have immediately killed Goemon, whom was baffled and couldn't keep up.
• In "Part 6. Episode 0" Jigen destroys drones that can predict one's moves, this applies to Lupin as he does face Jigen who also made Goemon struggle, the same can slice these drones with no issues.

• Power Mimicry Resistance:
Mr. X who engineers Indestructible bodies that even bypassed the Zantesuken can also be an exact physiology of Lupin that overwhelmed him at first, only for Mr. X to no longer keep up Lupin.

Potential Self-Substance Type 1 and Cosmic Resistances:
Can breathe and survive the conditions of outer space.

• Perception Manipulation Resistances:
Eventually deterred Nyx many times regardless of Nyx's bloodlusted states, who can always see the world in slow motion (1:46).

• Bettering Resistance to Mind Manipulation:
Was being mentally controlled by Tomoe, only to reveal he has long broken out of it (Part 6. Episodes 23-24?)

• Resistances to Telepathy:
Lupin's mind couldn't be properly read let alone ever dream, Psychic Mamo deemed Lupin a god from his unpredictable nature.

• Resistances to Sleep Manipulation:
The first to wake up and deemed worthy by an evolving Da Vinci whom replicated Wataru's invention on a greater scale.

• Resistances to Existence Erasure, Transmutation, Soul Manipulation, Durability Negation:
Survived mishaps from his own.

• Magic, further Soul Manipulation, and Corruption resistances:
Lupin can be exposed to strong magic even down to corrupting one's soul, yet his he eventually negates such.

• Elemental, Air Manipulation, and Danmaku Resistance (Yes, really):
Although injured, Lupin survived, wasn't pushed away, and only one slice was created from a bloodlusted Goemon's slashes whom can dissipate elemental abilities, disperse forest fires to Tornados, creates multiple cuts in a single slice (0:03) very consistently, even through other objects and can create two air strikes in a single slash which not only cuts a dozen targets but also vanishes one's clothing as it is, etc.

Cosmic Awareness Resistances:
Fools his creator.

Inventory (most potent to add thus far):
Something important to note already is that Lupin can just pull these many inventories via Teleportation and whatever he desires in general. Whether he instinctively brings a frying pan out of nothing to use as a weapon, to larger sizes very consistently, amongst other already established toony absurdities he's capable of since Psychokinetic Strats and Lupin Zero (homie can bring out a plunger to stick into surfaces, amongst other things he has in mind). Therefore I propose that they don't become optional anymore too, just make it equipment if anything if the situation desires it.

• Fear Manipulation and Illusion Creation:
Posseses strong gas from the Fumas which causes fear and hallucinations even on those as powerful and astute like Jigen and Goemon.

• Deconstruction:
Via Mercury Bullet.

• Limited Clairvoyance, further Non-Physical Interaction, Danmaku, Enhanced Attack Reflection, Air Manipulation, Elemental Negation, Absorption, and high temperature resistances via Zanetsuken Knife:
Has a piece of Goemon's Zanetsuken that he turned into a knife which should have the same properties as Goemon's, the sword can disperse forest fires to Tornados, his air strikes alone cuts a dozen targets, negate one's elemental abilities amongst absorbing magic, can also create multiple cuts in a single slice (0:03), Mamo's lasers heated metal structures to hot red yet had no effect even to the smallest piece of the Zantetsuken and is also undeterred from striking lighting mid air many times.

• Invulnerability via the Pycal Formula:
The Formula can keep the user Invulnerable from virtually anything for several days (Part 1. episode 2).

• Additional Monocle Hacking:
Built a Multipurpose Monocle that can hack a car remotely, order plane tickets, hack identification, security systems, perform advanced comparisons and internet searches. Should have remixed the coding of his grandfathers that can crack anything.

• Time Travel and BFR:
Via Kyouskes Time Machine, he can shoot a beam to warp them through different time periods while causing strange alterations (like removing spaces entierly. Source?).

• Spaceflight:
His Fiat 500 can transform into a mechanical spaceship.

IQ Upgrade Additions. Likely Supergenius (bear with me):

• Those whom are the most anciently psychic that also possesses magic, mastered the 4th Dimensional Plane to their advantage, even of comparable challenge to the superior mentioned thus far, have been surpassed by Lupin and also doesn't always need to see one's own inventory, ideas, and abilities that he ends up evolving better one's.
• Masterful in using the environment to his advantage and thinking on his feet.
• His deductions already borders on Superhuman in staying ahead of Zenigata's deductions, seeing right through an opponents tricks and given the time he can cleverly use their own abilities against them on the fly.
• Made an operable Spaceship out of his Fiat 500.
• Has history proving to be ahead of Supercomputers many countless times and better himself as the generations follow.
• Invented universal keys.
• Fooled God (Monkey Punch).

Spoiler: feats in dire need to be calculated

Feats in need to be calculated:
AP/Dura:

• Scales to Goemon whom can casually cut nukes, the same who's moon was too bright for his liking, therefore dispersing 2 clouds large enough to cover half the moon (remember that Goemon's casual air strike can cut alone) Although Goemon cuts the moon in half, for real this time? (2:28) and I don't know what episode this is from, but accordingly "during his fight with a werewolf he did cut the moon"? (the verse has already operated on absurdest Toonforce so some consistency can be made).
• Lupin survives the epicenter of a black hole.

In Lupin's Durability: Regeneration amongst Duplication (Can duplicate from nothing), Immortalities, Toon Force, Plot Manipulation, and Damage Reduction alongside Damage Transferal makes him incredibly difficult to kill.

Speed:

• Lupin manages to push a bullet fast enough that light comes out of it.
• Moves so fast that these lasers couldn't keep up which Jigen also does while submerged underwater (source) that not only track, but are instantaneously fast tech (this is even more notable considering the verse is actually incredibly advanced as it is).
• Lupin and the bad guy manages to still move despite of the black holes force.
• Scales to Goemon, who regardless of just waking up still deflects this close ranged laser (Lupin does the same after he evolved).
• Has history of besting Supercomputers that also predicts one's moves as it is since part 1 many countless times (Part 3: episode 23), outpacing even demolishing one in combat, also evolved past Mr. X who became an exact copy of himself, and furthermore says he is ahead of the generations that follow (Part 5. Where he reveals his face he said something like this). Supercomputers in general are this astonishingly fast (recall that the Lupin Verse is far more advanced then normal).

LS:

• Pushed back this massive blocky trap for awhile.
• Shakes plus disables a plane by throwing a wrench and also tipping said plane by just landing on it.
• The verses bullets are heavy enough to obliterate tanks whole for starters (Part lll Intro), something the gang amongst Goemon have no leverage getting past over the years.
• Lupin and Jigen manages to lift even push this log that is heavy enough to shake an entire building, in fact Jigen threw it so hard that the log also shatters and still shook said building.
• Restrains Zenigato very consistently who via just arching his back maintained the weight of trains.
• Lupin and the bad guy manages to budge despite being in a black hole.

Updating on his Standard Tactics:
Lupin will keep his distance and head for his Walther P38, which should anything miss it will always come back like a boomerang to hit the opponent, he deflects back one's inventory cartoonishly which is something that he can do with his bullets but can also generally deflect back at an opponent. Can ignore durability with his inventory alone (1:10:27) though even then the attacks he inflicts can also incapacitate should the opponent not resist, undergo erasures, have their soul effected (2:12), with his shooting alone reaching his title sign and through the 4th wall. Should Lupin get hit, only the weapon has the injuries instead, which Lupin can transfer the damage back into incapacitating the aggressor.
Stern reminder that: Lupin has iconically defied physics very consistently throughout the franchises history and is always prone to using such when endangered.

Lupin can also quickly evolve past opponents in a variety of versatile ways even to those that already have an evolution, such as X copying his body that overwhelmed at first only to be overpowered, and the highly adaptive DaVinci Clone (see the Reactive Evolution category for further details).

Overall: Lupin has countless evidence in using his abilities as meticulously sneakily even offensively and defensively, from Teleportation, Duplication, Incapacitations, Time Manipulations (as he has demonstrated in Strange Psychokinetic Strategy, so the audience alone can understand), Plot Manipulation (although the idea was fan suggested, Lupin revealed that he can create and control episodes that even Zeni also acknowledges, yet didn't truly know the full picture), amongst spawning other inventory regardless of how small or big to the protection for the given situations, being an overall Master Trickster in general regardless if one is ancient or from the future with hax straight from the 4th Dimensional Plane, etc.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

sheesh

I'll give this a quick look through later, but this is extensive. I'm really not sure about some of the feats being proposed for calculation though (idk if Goemon cutting a nuclear missile would be the same as scaling to the full energy of a nuke, for example). But overall, excellent work!

 

[Fireld]

Puffed himself back up from being squished.

Dragon Of Doom

Tanked weaponry that didn't even disintegrate through him or his disguising let alone inventory alone, even though said weaponry explicitly reduces one to charcoal.

Part 3 Episode 16

Disarmed/Deters with words alone (yes he LITERALLY pulled a Doctor Who).

Stolen Lupin

Via Kyouskes Time Machine, he can shoot a beam to warp them through different time periods while causing strange alterations (like removing spaces entierly. Source?).

"Is Lupin Still Burning" OVA, I thought I mentioned this to you before? I'll post it on imgur atp

In "Farewell to Nostradamus" Lupin was saved by dolphins out of nowhere (Source?).

Here. What happened to that other example I posted from part 2? I'll come back for more...

 

[Tonygameman]

Holy Jigen's Christening Shot, that's A LOT! Those poor people, space cowboys and raccoons alike, has absolutely no chance at all...

More references may help out before you can publish this in a official CRT form with long sections under spoiler tags to save space. We were kind of lucky for adding certain Gfycat videos as wiki files before it shut down (some of which's links are no longer accessible in this post, like universal keys and black hole's first on AP/Dura).

The Zantetsuken parts (including those listed for a knife) obviously applies for Goemon's own haxes, as well.

 

[Stefano4444]

Toon Force

Looks fine.

Teleportation

If Jason Voorhees can get that ability then the same can be done here.

Transmutation

Unsure, he could just have done the usual magic trick to switch objects.

Duplication

Looks more like either Toon Force or he simply using his stealth to put his disguises to other people.

Also i kinda iffy about using anime intros or eyecatches.

4th wall breaking and Plot Manipulation

I don't think Plot Manipulation its valid, those looks like all examples of 4th wall breaking which its fine.

5th Dimensional Lupawn

No.

Enhanced Senses

Looks good.

Instinctive Actions

None of those are examples resemble anything close to Instinctive Reaction.

Attack Reflection

I guess it fine but as Limited since he doesn't have the Goemon's sword.

Afterimage Creation

I'm not sure if this was a proper afterimage in his fight with Goemon.

Extrasensory Perception

Looks fine.

Precognition

That doesn't seen to indicate Precognition, rather that Lupin its simply very smart.

Non-Physical Interaction and Soul Manipulation

Non-Physical Interaction its maybe fine, but i don't think he show any Soul Manipulation.

Immortality

Type 2 its fine, but he lack any actual evidence of Regeneration so no Type 3 and Type 6 just doesn't make sense.

Also its not like everyone return as a ghost and it doesn't seen that common, not enough to trully assume that Lupin can do the same.

 

[Fireld]

None of those are examples resemble anything close to Instinctive Reaction.

I could see a few of those examples be more enhanced senses rather than insinctive reactions.

Can easily see through disguises in a variety of ways.

Goodbye Partner(he should wear black jackets more often)

Invented universal keys.

You forgot replacing this one with the imgur one

Can run through the ocean very consistently.

Can triple jump.
Leaps out of Jigen's bullets who has unparalleled accuracy, even stalemating Goemon whose strikes alone has defied gravity, reach shooting stars, amongst others whom have challenged them throughout.

Can be taken severely off guard yet still utilize variety of abilities from duplications and Teleportation's to fool those and get away, his incapacitating and disguising are also used like this also leaving duds, clearly using said outlandish abilities to further his unexpectancy.

First Contact/Episode 0(A pretty good watch, inconsistent with the timeline)

Since Part 1 he can incapacitate this way as well.

Episode 7

whom has an unparalleled accuracy consistently

The 2nd from Part 6 episode 3. He had several statements about this from others in First Contact.

Lupin can also disarm someone with nothing but quarters

Farewell Nostradamus

 

[Stefano4444]

Immortality Negation (thus far):

I don't remember him negate Zenigata's immortality.

Limited Cybogization:

Looks fine.

Existence Erasure:

Nothing here indicate he erased those bombs Beerus's style.

Sealing:

That don't seen like Sealing.

• Supernatrual Luck:

Looks fine for the most part, but i'm a bit unsure.

• Reactive Evolution:

I doubt, even then this seen like Reactive Power Level as Lupin doesn't seen to grant any new resistances or abilities during combat.

Also many seen more like feats of intelligence than him becoming physically stronger/faster overtime.

• Damage Reduction and Damage Transferal:

Seen another example of Toon Force, we don't see Lupin actually transfer damage to someone else he just hit the policeman instead.

• Resistance Negation:

No for the reasons given before.

• Time Manipulation:

The example of Mamo doesn't work since he and the gang where faking everything as he tricked Mamo into thinking his time machine was authentic.

The Mercury Bullet doesn't work either since its clear just an ending cut, Lupin wasn't stopping time Dio's style.

And for the movies they seen like just comedic scenes, slow down action scenes or at most example of Toon Force.

• Stealth Mastery:

Looks fine.

• Furthering greater Informational Analysis:

Looks fine aside for the part about Reactive Evolution.

• All-Terrain Hypermobility:

I'm pretty sure all of this countt as Acrobatics, which tis fine.

Free Movements:

Looks fine.

• Flight:

I would like to see when it happen.

Since he has only show to flight via his arsenal.

• Durability Negation:

None of those are examples of Durability Negation.

• Statistics Amplification:

Looks fine but its also count as Statistics Reduction, both Limited since can only be apply to his intellect.

Resistance to Social Influencing

Looks fine.

• Social Influencing

Looks fine.

• Ice Manipulation Resistances:

Looks fine.

• Deconstruction resistances (surprisingly):

That seen he simply survive be electrocuted-

• Resistances to Info Analysis:

Looks finne.

• Resistances to Supernatural Luck (yes really):

That at most seen like Supernatural Luck rather than having Resistance to Supernatural Luck.

• Resistances to Extrasensory Perception and Precognition:

I guess resistance for Extrasensory Perception its fine, but i'm not sure about it since its not like Goemon say that he couldn't sense his intentions.

Even more for Precognition.

• Power Mimicry Resistance:

That doesn't seen like he

Potential Self-Substance Type 1 and Cosmic Resistances:

Like before i'm unsure about using anime opening as actual feat, and even then he, Jiren and Goemon where always inside the car.

• Perception Manipulation Resistances:
Eventually deterred Nyx many times regardless of Nyx's bloodlusted states, who can always see the world in slow motion (1:46).

This isn't Resistance, Resistance its if Nyx had the power to alter Lupin's own perception instead he can only do his own.

• Bettering Resistance to Mind Manipulation:

Looks fine.

• Resistances to Telepathy:

Looks fine.

• Resistances to Sleep Manipulation:

Looks fine.

• Resistances to Existence Erasure, Transmutation, Soul Manipulation, Durability Negation:

No, none of this its any form of Resistances aside for maybe Explosion Manipulation, even if it could just be durability.

• Magic, further Soul Manipulation, and Corruption resistances:

I think resistance for and Corruption Type 2 and Empathic Manipulation can work, but i'm not sure if we can grant him resistance to magic in general.

• Elemental, Air Manipulation, and Danmaku Resistance (Yes, really):

Goemon be able to cut fire, ar and other stuff doesn't mean that Lupin survive his flashes get resistance to any of those abilties.

Cosmic Awareness Resistances:

Still 4th wall breaking, not Cosmic Awareness.

 

[Stefano4444]

Fear Manipulation and Illusion Creation:

He never made that gas and i don't remember his even recreate this gas.

• Deconstruction:

Looks fine.

• Limited Clairvoyance, further Non-Physical Interaction, Danmaku, Enhanced Attack Reflection, Air Manipulation, Elemental Negation, Absorption, and high temperatures via Zanetsuken Knife:

Not sure about having a knife made about of Zanetsuken, i only remember that he had a piece of it during his fight with Mamo which only happen in the movie and never again.

• Invulnerability via the Pycal Formula:

I guess it could work.

• Hacking:

Looks fine.

• Time Travel and BFR:

He kinda already have this

Spaceflight:

I guess its fine.

IQ Upgrade Additions. Likely Supergenius (bear with me):

The Monkey Punch its just 4th wall breaking and not example and example of superhuman intelligence.

The universal key link its broken, and there are better examples of Lupin outsmarting supercombat than him beating a robot in combat.

 

[Stefano4444]

AP/Dura

Goemon cutting nukes isn't the same as cutting nuclear explosions, and for cutting and moving the clouds its good even if don't know how to calc it.

Not sure about him actually cutting the Moon, but it still seen quite an outlier and at most it count as Toon Force.

Its a relatively small black hole, and i think it would only grant him Resistance to Gravity Manipulation.

Durability

Durability doesn't change just because of hax (which he doesn't have), aside for a brief mention it.

Speed

Outsmarting supercomputer isn't a speed feat.

The Bullet feat isn't even a light dodging/reaction feat, even then i'm pretty sure it was just a visual effect.

Those lasers in the movie are not that good as Lupin never actually properly react to them and Zenigata could react to it, there are far better laser dodging feats than this.

LS

The train feat it already mention and i'm not sure about the black hole feat.

The Log and Trap feats are fine, the Bullets not since just because they can oneshot tanks it doesn't mean they are heavy.

For the plane it was already broken so Lupin likely just unbalanced it.

Standard Tactics

Looks fine, need only to delete the powers he doesn't have

 

[Fireld]

Those poor people, space cowboys and raccoons alike, has absolutely no chance at all...

Add phantom thieves to the list

He kinda already have this

He doesn't have the BFR part, that needs adding

He never made that gas and i don't remember his even recreate this gas.

Ye he wasted all of the gas he stole in the film

This isn't Resistance, Resistance its if Nyx had the power to alter Lupin's own perception instead he can only do his own.

It's an impressive skill(not resistance) feat fighting sb with echolocation like Nyx or a sb with exact stats & weapon like Mr.X(some level soul caliburn shit)

That don't seen like Sealing.

More like minor Toon Force for Fujiko for staying mid air

 

[StretchSebe]

Hey all.

Goemon cutting a shooting star calculated.

Yall might be eating good tonight lol

 

[Tonygameman]

Hey all.

Goemon cutting a shooting star calculated.

Yall might be eating good tonight lol

Another feat for a City Block level rating, huh? Neat to read, especially with that range.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Another feat for a City Block level rating, huh? Neat to read, especially with that range.

Not the only thing I have showcased to him too. Guy's, Meet The StretchSebe, the user be doing some Calc's now and then. If he doesn't receive random negative shit that is, homie has been done dirty lately.

Apologies for the delay, but I have been real busy myself (College Recovery too). I'll be sure to add references and answer queries, it will be like the SB Thread in a way: It takes time.

 

[StretchSebe]

Apologies for the delay, but I have been real busy myself (College Recovery too). I'll be sure to add references and answer queries, it will be like the SB Thread in a way: It takes time.

Oh hey, no worries. Life comes first, and college is especially something that takes up a lot of time. Do what you need to

Goemon cutting a shooting star calculated.

Yall might be eating good tonight lol

Also, after fixing the math (I had not gotten the conversion of J/m^3 to J/cc correct), the feat is unfortunately only Street Level.

Still, I think the feat can be used as supporting evidence for his speed Massively Hypersonic combat and reaction speed (this being High Hypersonic+), and major evidence for an upgrade to his range (Tens of Kilometers) alongside the fact that he cut clouds casually at a distance too.

 

[StretchSebe]

On that, anyone know of any other cutting feats of Goemon that could also support the 'possibly City Block level' AP on his page?

For example, has this been calculated?

 

[Fireld]

Nope it hasn't. Also welcome!

 

[StretchSebe]

Nope it hasn't. Also welcome!

Cool, will try and calculate that tomorrow then.

Also, final revision. Still only wall level, but hey, I respect wall level feats, and does provide evidence for a massive range buff and support evidence for speed still.

As said in the blog, it was good practice in any case. Certainly a good warm up for calculating that bridge cutting feat.

 

[Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E]

Also, after fixing the math (I had not gotten the conversion of J/m^3 to J/cc correct), the feat is unfortunately only Street Level.

Cool, will try and calculate that tomorrow then.

Also, final revision. Still only wall level, but hey, I respect wall level feats, and does provide evidence for a massive range buff and support evidence for speed still.

As said in the blog, it was good practice in any case. Certainly a good warm up for calculating that bridge cutting feat.

Wall hm? It's so... Strange to me I swear to god something doesn't feel right, but okay. ._.