Luffy vs Raditz

[Johner2133451]

Monkey D. Luffy (Emperor)

Monkey D. Luffy, known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered “The World's Most Dangerous Criminal”; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine Vice-Admiral who had cornered the late...

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Raditz

Raditz (ラディッツ) is an antagonist in the Dragon Ball manga. He is the biological brother of Goku (Kakarot), and the eldest son of Bardock and Gine. Tier: 5-B, higher as an Ōzaru Name: Raditz Origin: Dragon Ball Gender: Male Age: Early 30s Classification: Saiyan, Mid-Class Saiyan Warrior, Frieza...

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Speed equalized

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Doesn't Raditz one shot Luffy 60 something times over? 600 if he goes Oozaru (on the off chance it's discussed)???

 

[Hasty12345]

Raditz via AP advantage

 

[Johner2133451]

Doesn't Raditz one shot Luffy 60 something times over? 600 if he goes Oozaru (on the off chance it's discussed)???

Luffy has precognition and durability negation

• Precognition (Much more potent than before. Can see many seconds into the literal future[19][6])
• Durability Negation and Explosion Manipulation (Can force energy inside of opponents and objects, which produces explosions inside of their body[46])

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Incon.

 

[Johner2133451]

Luffy also has these

• Subjective Reality, Reality Warping, and Toon Force (Can turn his imagination into reality, ranging from breaking physics in a cartoon fashion, altering his environment into rubber, and effects such as making his opponent view stars and birds as if it were a cartoon. Kaidou stated that his abilities were like something from a comic strip. Stated to be capable of fighting in anyway he wishes)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Luffy has precognition and durability negation

• Precognition (Much more potent than before. Can see many seconds into the literal future[19][6])
• Durability Negation and Explosion Manipulation (Can force energy inside of opponents and objects, which produces explosions inside of their body[46])

A stray ki blast desintegrates him. Raditz can just nuke the area and be done with him like he's a pest.

Luffy also has these

• Subjective Reality, Reality Warping, and Toon Force (Can turn his imagination into reality, ranging from breaking physics in a cartoon fashion, altering his environment into rubber, and effects such as making his opponent view stars and birds as if it were a cartoon. Kaidou stated that his abilities were like something from a comic strip. Stated to be capable of fighting in anyway he wishes)

So he's just a dead cartoon man

 

[Johner2133451]

A stray ki blast desintegrates him. Raditz can just nuke the area and be done with him like he's a pest.

So he's just a dead cartoon man

Is area nuking Raditz's first move? Also couldn't Luffy just dodge those since he has precognition which allows him to see many seconds into the future

 

[AwkguyDB]

radtits for reasons above

 

[Johner2133451]

Also he does have multiple speed amps to get into Raditz's position very quick and one shot with a dura neg punch

Relativistic with at least Relativistic+ reactions (Faster than before), at least Relativistic+ with Gear 2nd or Soru (Faster than his Base State), far higher with Gear 4th: Boundman (Faster than before), even higher with Gear 4th: Snakeman (In this form, Luffy stated that he is faster than Boundman)

 

[Johner2133451]

• Statistics Amplification (With Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd. Can utilizes Soru, a technique that allows him to move at extremely high speeds)

 

[CelestialVortex01]

• Statistics Amplification (With Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd. Can utilizes Soru, a technique that allows him to move at extremely high speeds)

Are these applicable to his latter key?

Also you didn't specify which key your gonna use.

 

[Johner2133451]

Are these applicable to his latter key?

Also you didn't specify which key your gonna use.

Key? What do you mean

 

[Johner2133451]

Oh yeah forgot luffy also has this for his side

• Supernatural Luck (Is described as an extremely lucky individual. Several feats of supernatural luck shown here)

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Key? What do you mean

Key: Fifth Emperor of the Sea | Wano; Act 2 | Raid on Onigashima

Listed on luffy's profile, Also you gotta add what luffy's gonna start the battle with, his base form? Gear 2nd?

 

[Johner2133451]

Key: Fifth Emperor of the Sea | Wano; Act 2 | Raid on Onigashima

Raid one

 

[Johner2133451]

So summary (from what I know):

Raditz's advantage: AP

Luffy's advantage: Dura neg, Reality Warp, Supernatural luck, Precognition (can see many seconds into the future) and speed amps

 

[Johner2133451]

Raditz via AP advantage

radtits for reasons above

What you guys think of this

So summary (from what I know):

Raditz's advantage: AP

Luffy's advantage: Dura neg, Reality Warp, Supernatural luck, Precognition (can see many seconds into the future) and speed amps

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Is area nuking Raditz's first move? Also couldn't Luffy just dodge those since he has precognition which allows him to see many seconds into the future

Iirc his goal was to try and sway his brother to his side, and even then both Goku and Piccolo were at least strong enough to not get one shot. And as we see when Nappa and Vegeta arrive on earth, the first thing the former did was blow East City the **** up. So if we're to treat this as Raditz invading with his sole purpose being that, he could very well start up by blowing the area the **** up.

Also he does have multiple speed amps to get into Raditz's position very quick and one shot with a dura neg punch

Relativistic with at least Relativistic+ reactions (Faster than before), at least Relativistic+ with Gear 2nd or Soru (Faster than his Base State), far higher with Gear 4th: Boundman (Faster than before), even higher with Gear 4th: Snakeman (In this form, Luffy stated that he is faster than Boundman)

Iirc, there's some rule involving a slower character using speed amps against a faster character? I'd have to be reminded on it. And Raditz's profile lists him as having "superhuman stamina", so he may as well power through having his durability negated.

Oh yeah forgot luffy also has this for his side

• Supernatural Luck (Is described as an extremely lucky individual. Several feats of supernatural luck shown here)

None of this helps him from getting obliterated out of this world

 

[Chariot190]

While Luffy has quite a bit of hax, that's like, useful against dudes that can't just say **** it and make an unavoidable planet wide nuke that oneshots him a magnitude over. Like where's he gonna dodge to? It don't matter if he can see it coming, he can't do anything about it.

 

[Chariot190]

Iirc, there's some rule involving a slower character using speed amps against a faster character? I'd have to be reminded on it. And Raditz's profile lists him as having "superhuman stamina", so he may as well power through having his durability negated.

There is, but I'm pretty sure Luffy with all his amping speed bullshit is faster than Raditz's speed unequal so it'd be one of the rare times it's fine.

Though I also don't think Luffy's amps make him blitz over him either so it ain't super game changing.

 

[Johner2133451]

Iirc his goal was to try and sway his brother to his side, and even then both Goku and Piccolo were at least strong enough to not get one shot. And as we see when Nappa and Vegeta arrive on earth, the first thing the former did was blow East City the ** up. So if we're to treat this as Raditz invading with his sole purpose being that, he could very well start up by blowing the area the ** up.

Iirc, there's some rule involving a slower character using speed amps against a faster character? I'd have to be reminded on it. And Raditz's profile lists him as having "superhuman stamina", so he may as well power through having his durability negated.

None of this helps him from getting obliterated out of this world

But that's a technique nappa used, not Raditz

Speed is equalized so with speed amps, Luffy has the speed advantage

Luck allows him for Raditz to do clumsy things like underestimating at his opponents and try to tank it to prove a point since Saiyans are known to be prideful (Like Nappa planning to tank Krillin's disco disk, Vegeta had to warned him)

 

[Johner2133451]

While Luffy has quite a bit of hax, that's like, useful against dudes that can't just say **** it and make an unavoidable planet wide nuke that oneshots him a magnitude over. Like where's he gonna dodge to? It don't matter if he can see it coming, he can't do anything about it.

Planet destruction is not Raditz's first move. If he does blow it up, wouldn't he die alongside as well since Saiyans can't survive in space?

Luffy also has the speed amps to act faster too. And the supernatural luck would make Raditz doing clumsy moves instead of making a earth destroying attack

 

[Hasty12345]

What you guys think of this

Raditz accidentally kills Luffy with insurmountable AP advantage

 

[Chariot190]

Planet destruction is not Raditz's first move. If he does blow it up, wouldn't he die alongside as well since Saiyans can't survive in space?

Luffy also has the speed amps to act faster too

What? He doesn't need to blow it up, planet razing (or even just a big ass AOE, Luffy isn't dodging even a city sized explosion, like where tf is he gonna dodge to?) isn't planet busting. He can control his AOE.

 

[Johner2133451]

What? He doesn't need to blow it up, planet razing isn't planet busting. He can control his AOE.

Ok but Luffy's speed amps would hit him hard + supernatural luck

 

[AnAverageUsername]

But that's a technique nappa used, not Raditz

My point is that massive **** off aoe explosions aren't exclusive to Nappa. Hell, King Piccolo did it, iirc.

Speed is equalized so with speed amps, Luffy has the speed advantage

Luck allows him for Raditz to do clumsy things like underestimating at his opponents and try to tank it to prove a point since Saiyans are known to be prideful (Like Nappa planning to tank Krillin's disco disk, Vegeta had to warned him)

That's stuff One Piece villains would do, it aint going to influence Raditz. And while Saiyans aren't prideful, im pretty sure that won't apply to a weakling like Luffy, who Raditz can guage the power of immediately with his scouter.

 

[Johner2133451]

My point is that massive **** off aoe explosions aren't exclusive to Nappa. Hell, King Piccolo did it, iirc.

That's stuff One Piece villains would do, it aint going to influence Raditz. And while Saiyans aren't prideful, im pretty sure that won't apply to a weakling like Luffy, who Raditz can guage the power of immediately with his scouter.

But it's still not a Raditz's first move

Raditz would try to toy with Luffy after seeing his weaker power level + supernatural luck carries here on making Raditz having bad decisions. It's an ability that allows Luffy having higher chances of winning + Luffy has reality warping which allows anything he imagines to become real

 

[Chariot190]

Ok but Luffy's speed amps would hit him hard + supernatural luck

Speed doesn't make Luffy bridge a 6 fucktrillion times gap dude.
What's luck gonna do? His luck ain't even that good, it's just a minor thing he has.

 

[Chariot190]

But it's still not a Raditz's first move

It doesn't need to be, Luffy dodges, bam the second move is unavoidable. Luffy ain't killing Raditz before he flicks his fingers a second time.

Raditz would try to toy with Luffy after seeing his weaker power level +

That or just kill him flatout because fighting would be a waste of time.

supernatural luck carries here on making Raditz having bad decisions.

Literally not how his luck works.

It's an ability that allows Luffy having higher chances of winning +

It at best extends his life by a few seconds.

Luffy has reality warping which allows anything he imagines to become real

And yet nothing that can stop the tremendous insurmountable AP gap.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

But it's still not a Raditz's first move

Because his goal was to get Goku's ass, and kidnapping Gohan. Again, if this is to be treated like an invasion, he can blow the area up pretty easy seeing as how that was the first move from an invading Nappa

Raditz would try to toy with Luffy after seeing his weaker power level + supernatural luck carries here on making Raditz having bad decisions. It's an ability that allows Luffy having higher chances of winning + Luffy has reality warping which allows anything he imagines to become real

Okay, first off, his dollar store, teemu ass reality warping aint doing shit. Secondly, his first moves when introduced were killing both the farmer and knocking Krillin the hell out in one move.

 

[Johner2133451]

Speed doesn't make Luffy bridge a 6 fucktrillion times gap dude.
What's luck gonna do? His luck ain't even that good, it's just a minor thing he has.

Speed would help to land hits faster than Raditz does his moves
Make him a better chance of winning like Raditz being stupid and try to toy with his opponents. There's not a single instance in the series that Raditz is a planet nuker + Luffy has toon force

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Speed would help to land hits faster than Raditz does his moves
Make him a better chance of winning like Raditz being stupid and try to toy with his opponents. There's not a single instance in the series that Raditz is a planet nuker + Luffy has toon force

Again, he doesn't have to nuke the planet, just the general area. It's that simple. And his toon force is a pointless thing to mention, it aint doing shit against that AP gap.

 

[Johner2133451]

Because his goal was to get Goku's ass, and kidnapping Gohan. Again, if this is to be treated like an invasion, he can blow the area up pretty easy seeing as how that was the first move from an invading Nappa

Okay, first off, his dollar store, teemu ass reality warping aint doing shit. Secondly, his first moves when introduced were killing both the farmer and knocking Krillin the hell out in one move.

Literally in the ability says any imagination he does will become a reality. It isn't even classified as limited or minor ability. Luffy's precognition would notice that

 

[Chariot190]

Speed would help to land hits faster than Raditz does his moves

They're LITERALLY the same speed. Luffy gets an advantage with buffs, but said buffs not letting him do anything meaningful ebfore Raditz opens his palm.

Make him a better chance of winning like Raditz being stupid and try to toy with his opponents.

Literally killed or fodderized everyone but Goku and Piccolo who met him without really ******* around.

There's not a single instance in the series that Raditz is a planet nuker + Luffy has toon force

He had one fight no shit there isn't, but we know he can, literally every Saiyan can, and Raditz has, in fact, done so before, are we forgetting that's literally his 5 to 9 job?

Toon force doesn't help when he's vaporized.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Literally in the ability says any imagination he does will become a reality. It isn't even classified as limited or minor ability.

Let me tell you, it really aint all that

Luffy's precognition would notice that

Yeah, notice him dying as he can't do anything

 

[Johner2133451]

It doesn't need to be, Luffy dodges, bam the second move is unavoidable. Luffy ain't killing Raditz before he flicks his fingers a second time.

That or just kill him flatout because fighting would be a waste of time.

Literally not how his luck works.

It at best extends his life by a few seconds.

And yet nothing that can stop the tremendous insurmountable AP gap.

It does work like that. The ability isn't even specified as limited or minor + He can just imagine Raditz to be a weak rubber and kills him

 

[Chariot190]

Literally in the ability says any imagination he does will become a reality. It isn't even classified as limited or minor ability.

Yeah? It's still limited to what it's shown, his reality warping ain't the same as like ******* Eternity's or something. Actual case of NLF, and it ain't even the profile's fault, like all abilities you go by general feats they've done. Nothing Luffy has done will save him.

Luffy's precognition would notice that

Then he sees himself dying, wowza.

It does work like that. The ability isn't even specified as limited or minor

Do you not know what a NLF is? What, you're gonna argue Luffy's mundane reality warping saves his ass from Batkek or STTGL too?

+ He can just imagine Raditz to be a weak rubber and kills him

Why hasn't he done that to literally anyone he's fought yet then?
Also Raditz opening his palm is quicker.

 

[Johner2133451]

Again, he doesn't have to nuke the planet, just the general area. It's that simple. And his toon force is a pointless thing to mention, it aint doing shit against that AP gap.

Ok when has Raditz do a area nuke + luck/toon force/speed amp counters that. Legit in his profile, "can make any imagination into reality" unless you wanna go ahead make a debunk on the ability itself

 

[MountainWine]

Raditz via surface wiping the planet