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This supports Zoro dodging his lightning orbs easily
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Luck Voltia vs Roronoa Zoro
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Do you still vote for luck? Or?
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Yes it does. When he launched that projectile he was slower than normal, hence why his opponent dodges it
No it doesn't, his projectiles would still be as fast as Luck, he RPLs once and gg. This actually makes it worse for Zoro since Luck's boots makes him go from Sub-Rel+ to Rel+, a 5× gap at the very least. According to the Vs Thread Rules, the ratio would still be the same even if speed is equalized
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That 5x would still not be enough for FTE... Minimum 15x
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Where did you get that from?
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed .... Subsonic (Faster than the Eye) compared to average or athletic is minimum 15x or that's what I got...
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Well, that's not official. Even then, you're measuring the gap between the humans' running speed and Subsonic, not the Humans' Reaction speed
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No I'm talking about FTE
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My point still stands.
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how many more hours for grace
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Its 8-5 but
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zoro going to win?
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We don't count ones that didn't have a reason or a FRA, so it's 7-5 If I counted correctlyIts 8-5 but
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Yeah, I thought Luck won
Roronoa Zoro (Pre-Timeskip)
Roronoa Zoro, also known by his epithet “Pirate Hunter”, is the premier swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates and a member of the Monster Trio. Recruited as a mildly notorious bounty hunter (hence his “Pirate Hunter” moniker), he is a monstrously powerful man who doesn't wield the power of a Devil...vsbattles.fandom.com
Luck Voltia
Luck Voltia is a member of the Black Bull Squad and is inducted to the squad before Asta. He loves fighting strong opponents. Later, he passed the Royal Knights exam and become a member of the Royal Knights along Asta, Yuno, Noelle and others, led by Mereoleona Vermillion. Soon after this, an...
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luck 3 vote
roronoa 8 vote
whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo would win
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So, do you vote Luck for reasons above?
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A lot of these votes for Luck hardly make any logical sense.
Some argue that durability negation won't work despite not even knowing how the mechanics of said durability negation works, Luck's voters mentioned him becoming a 6-B mid match and outright downplays Zoro's abilities, and argue that he'll be FTE to Zoro with his speed amps, which remains unproven and even had rebuttals against it. This thread is a complete and total mess.
Some argue that durability negation won't work despite not even knowing how the mechanics of said durability negation works, Luck's voters mentioned him becoming a 6-B mid match and outright downplays Zoro's abilities, and argue that he'll be FTE to Zoro with his speed amps, which remains unproven and even had rebuttals against it. This thread is a complete and total mess.
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I dont remember nobody saying it
No, the argument was about Reactive Power level and who had the best, because both Luck and Zoro have it
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Literally it's something Eplison was arguing in the start of this thread, open your eyes.
No, there was a user here who claimed Luck could turn into a 6-B in short time during this match up, not only that but Luck's reactivate power level doesn't make him go from an 8-A to a 6-B, that's his next key which can't be attributed to his Reactivate power level unless he went from fighting a 6-B as an 8-A and becoming a 6-B during said fight. And if that were the case the profile would be formatted like Zamasu's or Garou's with a "will grow to be 6-B."
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I didn't say that. Open your eyes sir
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Well for one thing, I never said it would one shot him although the wounds would be very deep given that they place deep wounds on opponents made of steel as opposed to flesh. How good is Luck's pain tolerance?
Hm.
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Well, a good portion of Zoro's vote are people saying he one shots with dura neg or "dura neg gg"
And where did I say Durability Negation wouldn't work here? I just said it's too limited to be useful.
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And how is Zoro able to win againts someone who is faster with amps that are literally in his profile, can flight, outrange him in this key by literally hundreds of meters and is able to adapt to someone who has precog after one hit?
But yeah, Zoro votes based of "It can instakill with durability negation" are valid, meanwhile our votes are complete garbage because you say so, I watched both shows and Zoro in Arabasta is not winning this fight
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Which pails in comparison to "Lol Luck is gonna grow to be 6-B" or him "blitzing" Zoro when the scans here have shown otherwise.
You said it would be too limited to be useful here.
First off, a speed amp is nice but said speed amp isn't enough to stop Zoro from reacting. Luck isn't "blitzing" Veto, he's outpacing him, the profile even notes this. "Kept up with Vetto" not "blitzed" Vetto. Secondly, Zoro has his own speed amp via Shishi Sonson. Range is nice but Zoro can close the distance, and unless Luck always sits back and spams range from the get go I have no reason to believe he would.
Scans for the precog? Not all versions of precog are made equal.
First of all, nobody ever argued it was an instant kill so don't @me with that Strawman Fallacy shit fam. The reasons were for durability negation amongst several other reasons. Nobody ever said it would one shot Luck, but the damage it would inflect would be incredibly lethal.
Hmm let's see, votes based on Luck blitzing, which has been proven wrong via feats and the profile, wanking his Reactive Power level to say he'd grow from 8-A to 6-B, which isn't the case and downplaying several abilities from Zoro.
Cool that's your opinion.
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Also
Let´s compare their stats because no one did
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157.51729 tons Zoro upscales from this and his limit is 446.845 Tons because I can´t see him being stronger than Luffy gomu gomu no storm attack nor stronger than Crocodile desert spada
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155.6 Tons for an average Magic Knight, which is not the definition given to Luck
In Chapter 60, Luck literally stomped a mage considered to much for an "intermediate knight", Lotus (the guy with smoke magic) is considered an adjuntant general, which is a rank below general, the same rank someone like Mars have (one of the strongest magic knights of the diamond kingdom)
So, Luck upscales massively, which means at minimun, both at even, both have pain tolerance (and we can´t use Zoro absurd pain tolerance from thiller bark if we follow his page, but he should have it earlier because what was able to do againts Mr.1 at least deserve some recognition)
Let´s compare their stats because no one did
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155.6 Tons for an average Magic Knight, which is not the definition given to Luck
In Chapter 60, Luck literally stomped a mage considered to much for an "intermediate knight", Lotus (the guy with smoke magic) is considered an adjuntant general, which is a rank below general, the same rank someone like Mars have (one of the strongest magic knights of the diamond kingdom)
So, Luck upscales massively, which means at minimun, both at even, both have pain tolerance (and we can´t use Zoro absurd pain tolerance from thiller bark if we follow his page, but he should have it earlier because what was able to do againts Mr.1 at least deserve some recognition)
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"First off, a speed amp is nice but said speed amp isn't enough to stop Zoro from reacting. Luck isn't "blitzing" Veto, he's outpacing him, the profile even notes this. "Kept up with Vetto" not "blitzed" Vetto. Secondly, Zoro has his own speed amp via Shishi Sonson. Range is nice but Zoro can close the distance, and unless Luck always sits back and spams range from the get go I have no reason to believe he would.
Scans for the precog? Not all versions of precog are made equal."
Except that Luck speed amps let him blitz people who were even with him, like when he blitzed Magna using his first speed amp, then he blitzed Asta using his second
This was when he was posseded by an elf but his speed amps are the same across all his keys
Scans? Vetto can use Ki Ki= Precog , go to read the pages
"Hmm let's see, votes based on Luck blitzing, which has been proven wrong via feats and the profile, wanking his Reactive Power level to say he'd grow from 8-A to 6-B, which isn't the case and downplaying several abilities from Zoro. "
I am not the one saying he can grow to 8-A to 6-B
Scans for the precog? Not all versions of precog are made equal."
Except that Luck speed amps let him blitz people who were even with him, like when he blitzed Magna using his first speed amp, then he blitzed Asta using his second
This was when he was posseded by an elf but his speed amps are the same across all his keys
Scans? Vetto can use Ki Ki= Precog , go to read the pages
"Hmm let's see, votes based on Luck blitzing, which has been proven wrong via feats and the profile, wanking his Reactive Power level to say he'd grow from 8-A to 6-B, which isn't the case and downplaying several abilities from Zoro. "
I am not the one saying he can grow to 8-A to 6-B
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I vote Luck FRARoronoa Zoro (Pre-Timeskip)
Roronoa Zoro, also known by his epithet “Pirate Hunter”, is the premier swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates and a member of the Monster Trio. Recruited as a mildly notorious bounty hunter (hence his “Pirate Hunter” moniker), he is a monstrously powerful man who doesn't wield the power of a Devil...
Luck Voltia
Luck Voltia is a member of the Black Bull Squad and is inducted to the squad before Asta. He loves fighting strong opponents. Later, he passed the Royal Knights exam and become a member of the Royal Knights along Asta, Yuno, Noelle and others, led by Mereoleona Vermillion. Soon after this, an...
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roronoa 8 vote
whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo would win
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Cool, but Luck isn't even 2x as strong as Zoro, he's just above 155 tons (if that's even the case, because I'm pretty sure freezing feats went through a massive revision.)
Were Luck and Magna comparable in speed? How long can Luck maintain his speed amps? Again, scans would be nice.
Why would they remain the same despite him getting stronger and faster across all his keys? That's like me giving Zoro Rashomon here.
And from what I'm gathering Ki Prediction isn't even impressive. First of all, it's not Precognition it's Analytical Prediction. Precognition functions via viewing the future, reading minds, viewing probability etc. Analytical Prediction is the lesser version of Precognition as in Predictions aren't set in stone whereas Precognition is.
Never said you were, and much like you l never said "Zoro would one shot".
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Magna could react at the beginning, then it was impossible, I would need to put the whole chapter because is a series of battle chained together and I would have to put like 30 scans and the second. All the time? I don´t recall any time limit, if anything, until he get tired
I literally have to search and apparently the stronger Luck is, the better the boost is, so now I am not even sure how massive the boost is at the beginning, we only know that Lotus was able to keep up at the beginning, then Luck was able to surprise him even when Lotus was debuffing him https://ibb.co/P9m4Rmf
And Zoro does not have Rashomon in Arabasta? Then he literally can use only one attack that have durability negation
Fair, but I just said precog because what is the page says, I usually compare Ki with proficient Haki users at best, rudimentary at worst
Also, if the calc changes, then we just close or removed this match
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Black Clover Chapter 160
You are reading Black Clover Chapter 160 in English. Read Chapter 160 of Black Clover manga online.
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Black Clover Chapter 161
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The chapters where Magna is able to react to Luck, then Luck blitz him with a speed amp, then comes Asta who can react and Luck speed amps again to surprise Asta
Mind you that is not important because he is using a skill he can´t use here, which is the thunder god armor, but Luck can use all the others speed amp at his disposal which are Thunder Fiend, Thunder God's Gloves and Thunder God's Boots
He has 3 ways to increase his speed in this battle and adaptation
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No one voted for luck because he's gonna grow to 6-B.... And no scan of Luck blitzing have shown otherwise, the only debatable one is Luck getting blitzed. Be sure to know what you're talking about before posting
And how did you reach the conclusion that I said dura neg won't work? Something can work while still not being useful.
See? You seriously need to open your eyes, that's the second time...
Can you enlight me? Where did anyone said Luck blitzed Vetto? I seriously don't remember anybody saying that but if anyone, that's not me.
Zoro needs to make a dance with his sword before using Shishi Sonson, Luck isn't stupid enough to go at him when he can clearly see he's preparing an attack.
And Zoro's can only move in a straight direction and a couple meters at most while using it. So that's basically a short burst rather than a speed amp, which luck is used to against vetto.
Want me to find someone that said it?
Again, where did anyone voted for luck because he'd grow from 8-A to Low 6-B.
Man, it's cool to accusing people but at least be sure that's even true...
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First things first, don't try to condescend to me child, practice what you preach and learn how to read properly, matter of fact I'll even do you one better and show you the direct comments.
Literally brought up twice in the thread earlier, so again, stop attempting to imitate me as if you were a small child.
... are you illiterate or is English not your native language??? The definition of something useless is as follows, not serving the purpose or any purpose; unavailing or futile. Zoro's Shishi Sonson is far from useless, either you misusing that word or you downplaying.
Zoro doesn't need to make a dance of any sort, all he needs to do is draw his sword from the sheath, at no point as Zoro ever "danced" before utilizing Shishi Sonson. It's an Iai based attack, that focuses on lightning quick and swift movements with deadly precision. In Zoro's case it also gives him a speed boost and durability negation, if Luck flings himself towards Zoro all Zoro would need to do is time the attack.
That was when Zoro was in a dying state and with incredible blood loss, and he can use it more than once.
Feel free to, and if someone did I'm not the one who said it so irrelevant.
Read above, they were riding his RRP to be able to boost him to that level and one even said he'd become that level.
It's not an accusation if the claims are legitimate.
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My post means that Luck was able to put a fight after adapting to his fighting style and I said that Vetto was going for the torture route, not the "I am gonna kill you from the beginning" route
And chill pls, this goes for everyone
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If that somehow hurts you, then sorry for hurting you I guess
Imitating you? What in the world are you talking about?
See? You don't read the posts correctly, either that or you're just reading what suits you.
The first quote: What he said was actually true, he did adapt to Vetto. Now please can you please tell me where he said he was gonna become Low 6-B against Zoro?
The second quote is fair, I give you that, but that still is way after theultimate5105's vote, meaning that it wasn't the reason why he voted for him in the first place..
What you said:
I really don't like accusations, but at least be sure to be correct if you do so
Yes I am illiterate, I don't even know how I can make decent sentences but I'm still illiterate.
Insulting someone can only take you so far in a debate, if you really want to argue your way by this manner then you're being hopeless.
Anyways, you can manage to stab someone with T2 Immortality, but it wouldn't be useful because he survives it. So yeah I never said dura won't work but just that his dura neg isn't that useful against someone with Pain Tolerance
Stop acting like I said something when I clearly didn't.
Nope, he does a sword rotation before attacking
What????
This is what I said: "And Zoro's can only move in a straight direction and a couple meters at most while using it. So that's basically a short burst rather than a speed amp, which luck is used to against vetto."
I haven't even said he can only use it once, just that he can only do a straight line with it.
And you were bold enough to call me illiterate, smh...
Already answered
That's an accusation.
Your accusation: "votes based on Luck blitzing, which has been proven wrong via feats and the profile, wanking his Reactive Power level to say he'd grow from 8-A to 6-B, which isn't the case"
Luck's blitzing has not been proven wrong, only Vetto blitzing Luck was. No one voted Luck because he'd grow from 8-A to 6-B.
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what happened during grace
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We argued a little more
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