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Luck Voltia vs Roronoa Zoro

Epsilon_R said:
He knows that, otherwise it would be a stomp in Luck's favour due to AP

Again, it's extremely limited so it wouldn't be a huge factor here. Even then, Zoro would have to be able to touch Luck to begin with, which would likely be impossible due to his speed amps
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It isn't "extremely limited" that's a blatant lie, the only reason why it's limited is because the full extent is unknown, but its accepted as durability negation for flesh and metal.
 
LordGinSama said:
It isn't "extremely limited" that's a blatant lie, the only reason why it's limited is because the full extent is unknown, but its accepted as durability negation for flesh and metal.
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Yeah? It's still a non factor unless it makes him cut his opponents like law does

He can't use it at long range anyway so it doesn't matter
 
Epsilon_R said:
Yeah? It's still limited nonetheless.

He can't use it at long range anyway so it doesn't matter
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Limited and "extremely limited" are two very different things, the latter being you attempting to downplay the ability.

Per SBA they start from meters apart, which Zoro can close nigh instantly. Zoro using his durability negation is also indeed in character, he used it simply after remembering his teacher's speech and per SBA this is Zoro directly after his fight with Mr 1 so he'll use it if he seems it necessary.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
With Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson he can cut all the time with durability negation
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If he is able to use Haki, something extremely difficult to him in this key, and when he is using it, he is using the most basic Haki possible, not gouken that is TRULY what is able to negate durability

Advanced Haki Users: Haki users of this class have reached a whole new level of Armament Haki, and have the capability to permanently alter objects and possibly individuals with their Haki. Those with this level of Haki can turn ordinary blades into black-blades that can not be scratched and they will stay this way even if the user is no longer alive or using their Haki. Other users have the capacity to use "Goken", which allows the user to send their aura outward, creating walls that can block attacks or even send out attacks on targets that appear to work similarly to basic telekinesis. Once reaching this level of Armament Haki, users can also transmit their aura into living or non-living targets, destroying them from the inside-out--thus effectively negating their durability to an extent.

Inept Haki Users: Users of this class are only shown capable of activating the ability of Armament Haki through intense focus and effort. They can only increase the power or sharpness of their attacks, and likely their durability as well. They should, however, be capable of bypassing the effects of a Devil Fruit user's body upon successful activation. At best, a user can coat their body with invisible armor that can, for example, have a normal leg become durable enough to deflect strikes from harder material or sharp/bladed weapons. This level of application is good enough to let the user ignore resistances from those with Devil Fruit powers.
 
LordGinSama said:
Per SBA they start from meters apart, which Zoro can close nigh instantly. Zoro using his durability negation is also indeed in character, he used it simply after remembering his teacher's speech and per SBA this is Zoro directly after his fight with Mr 1 so he'll use it if he seems it necessary.
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No, Starting distance: The characters start as far away from each other as the highest range of the fighters is, but a maximum of 4 kilometers. For example, if one character has a range of 10 meter and the other has a range of 20 meter they start 20 meter apart. However if the range of one character is 10 meter and the range of the other is 5 kilometer, they start only 4 kilometer apart. If extreme advantages are generated via this distance to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.
 
LordGinSama said:
Limited and "extremely limited" are two very different things, the latter being you attempting to downplay the ability.

Per SBA they start from meters apart, which Zoro can close nigh instantly. Zoro using his durability negation is also indeed in character, he used it simply after remembering his teacher's speech and per SBA this is Zoro directly after his fight with Mr 1 so he'll use it if he seems it necessary.
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By SBA, they start hundred of meters apart, not just meters.

So starting hundred of meters away from each other, Luck can use lightning attacks, which Zoro can only cut with Shishi Sonson (assuming he can even cut lighting with Dura neg to begin with), and he cannot spam it to block all of Luck's lightning
 
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Kazuma_kuwabara said:
If he is able to use Haki, something extremely difficult to him in this key, and when he is using it, he is using the most basic Haki possible, not gouken that is TRULY what is able to negate durability

Advanced Haki Users: Haki users of this class have reached a whole new level of Armament Haki, and have the capability to permanently alter objects and possibly individuals with their Haki. Those with this level of Haki can turn ordinary blades into black-blades that can not be scratched and they will stay this way even if the user is no longer alive or using their Haki. Other users have the capacity to use "Goken", which allows the user to send their aura outward, creating walls that can block attacks or even send out attacks on targets that appear to work similarly to basic telekinesis. Once reaching this level of Armament Haki, users can also transmit their aura into living or non-living targets, destroying them from the inside-out--thus effectively negating their durability to an extent.

Inept Haki Users: Users of this class are only shown capable of activating the ability of Armament Haki through intense focus and effort. They can only increase the power or sharpness of their attacks, and likely their durability as well. They should, however, be capable of bypassing the effects of a Devil Fruit user's body upon successful activation. At best, a user can coat their body with invisible armor that can, for example, have a normal leg become durable enough to deflect strikes from harder material or sharp/bladed weapons. This level of application is good enough to let the user ignore resistances from those with Devil Fruit powers.
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This isn't fully haki it's a skill or a technique... Limited Durability Negation with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques (Goken type Swordsmen and those who have reached The pinnacle of Swordsmanship are stated to be capable of cutting any material as long as they will it, whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown)
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
This isn't haki it's a skill or technique... Limited Durability Negation with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques (Goken type Swordsmen and those who have reached The pinnacle of Swordsmanship are stated to be capable of cutting any material as long as they will it, whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown)
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The first time Zoro use Shishi Sonson he was using Haki

Or that is what I think Oda confirmed
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Yee like this which is observation haki... The Breathe of All Things
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Why we have then in the haki´s page this:

Examples of Inept Haki Users include: Zoro as of Alabasta and Sanji as of Post-Timeskip

I really can´t see how is Zoro able to cut "everything if he will it" And not being able to cut people who are not even using Haki, is absurd, he can´t cut Enel (and mind you that some of you said that Zoro is able to cut lightning when he clearly can´t), he can´t cut Kaku all the time and post time skip, he can´t cut Doflaming birdcage
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Why we have then in the haki´s page this:

Examples of Inept Haki Users include: Zoro as of Alabasta and Sanji as of Post-Timeskip

I really can´t see how is Zoro able to cut "everything if he will it" And not being able to cut people who are not even using Haki, is absurd, he can´t cut Enel (and mind you that some of you said that Zoro is able to cut lightning when he clearly can´t), he can´t cut Kaku all the time and post time skip, he can´t cut Doflaming birdcage
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Doflamingo has haki, and again Zoro never used Shishi Sonson against enel...
 
7-4 actually

But I've yet to understand how Zoro one shots via dura neg before Luck knocks him out, especially when they are hundreds of meters away from each other
 
Epsilon_R said:
7-4 actually

But I've yet to understand how Zoro one shots via dura neg before Luck knocks him out, especially when they are hundreds of meters away from each other
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Luck ain't knocking out Zoro... Zoro aim dodges them and will be close enough to one shot Luck
 
Sonicflare9 said:
is it still grace?
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Yes, it's only been a few hours

But I have serious issues with people voting Zoro, without any reason. Like, they are not even voting Zoro for the reason above.

I've seen two of those votes getting accepted when it shouldn't be the case
 
Hundreds of meters is nothing to a High Hypersonic character, even then if Luck has
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Why we have then in the haki´s page this:

Examples of Inept Haki Users include: Zoro as of Alabasta and Sanji as of Post-Timeskip

I really can´t see how is Zoro able to cut "everything if he will it"
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He literally did so against Mr 1, and the concept is very consistent in the verse as it's brought up dozens of times in the manga.
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
And not being able to cut people who are not even using Haki, is absurd, he can´t cut Enel (and mind you that some of you said that Zoro is able to cut lightning when he clearly can´t),
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Why would he be able to cut lightning? I don't think anyone here ever argued that.
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
he can´t cut Kaku all the tim
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Kaku was also blocking and equally as skilled as Zoro.
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
e and post time skip, he can´t cut Doflaming birdcage
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Doffy has much stronger Haki and much higher AP.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Speed equalized and speed Amp with Shishi Sonson that will one shot... Luck can't blitz
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He can't cross hundred of meters with Shishi Sonson. Luck can blitz just by adapting once, and he still has speed amps aside from that
 
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