Luck Voltia vs Roronoa Zoro

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luck went from being heavily damaged by Vetto, to keeping up with him almost instantly. Even speed wise, people that were comparable to him got blitzed right after Luck adapts, this even happened when Luck was heavily slower than his opponent. So yeah, Luck is far superior in RPL.

Again, his RPL is nearly instantaneous

For one shots, what matters is Durability, not endurance.

Speaking of endurance, Luck took serious damages from Vetto, who's stronger than Zoro and was still able to fight without trouble

Endurance isn't about who tanks the most damage... That's durability... If you say Luck has better endurance then Zoro then there is no point in arguing with you... Zoro has been stated multiple times he should have died and didn't link, link, link I know for a fact Luck hasn't recive close to what Zoro has gone through...

Zoro got to supposed to be dead to blitz his opponent and one shot him who was comparable to MUCH healthier Zoro and that much healthier Zoro couldn't even scratch him... Zoro easily has better RPL

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luck literally fought Vetto who had everything you just said, on top of a better precog. And how is heat Resistance relevant here?

Lightning... Is hot

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Skills only takes you so far against an opponent that blitzes you. His skills are also useless against Luck's lightning attacks as he doesn't have NPI.

Speed is equal and both has speed amps... Luck can't blitz at all...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luck has pain tolerance, Zoro won't one shot him that easily. Already answered the endurance part.

Again No way even close to Zoro's pain tolerance...

 

[Epsilon_R]

Endurance isn't about who tanks the most damage... That's durability...

Then by that logic, Luck is above Zoro in dura since he took hits from vetto, who's 7-A

If you say Luck has better endurance then Zoro then there is no point in arguing with you... Zoro has been stated multiple times he should have died and didn't link, link, link I know for a fact Luck hasn't recive close to what Zoro has gone through...

Luck only has two fights in this key, one was him overcoming an intense poison and the other was him taking critical damages from someone much stronger than Zoro, he was seriously bleeding but still fought without trouble regardless.

Zoro got to supposed to be dead to blitz his opponent and one shot him who was comparable to MUCH healthier Zoro and that much healthier Zoro couldn't even scratch him... Zoro easily has better RPL

Actually that's not a blitz, we don't see Mr. 1 getting blitzed but him coming straight at Zoro who then uses quick draw techniques.

And Zoro isn't even near Luck in RPL. First off, we agreed Shishi Sonson was a speed amp move, therefore what Zoro did back then doesn't fall under RPL. It can't be both speed amp move and RPL. Not only that but it took Zoro their entire battle to be able to outspeed him.

In Luck's case, he turned a blitz around instantly.

Lightning... Is hot

That still doesn't prevent him from getting paralyzed....

Speed is equal and both has speed amps... Luck can't blitz at all...

Luck can turn a blitz around with RPL, so he already has two layers of blitz above Zoro's speed before Shishi Sonson. He also has speed amps aside from RPL.

Again No way even close to Zoro's pain tolerance...

False. But that doesn't matter anyway since it's still good enough to survive from getting sliced

 

[Epsilon_R]

Some other times he used it are at least the ones that I remember on fishman island, against kuma and against that dragon on punk hazard he started with it in all these fights

And most of them were post timeskip, that doesn't prove that Alabasta Zoro would start with that

 

[Rez]

And most of them were post timeskip, that doesn't prove that Alabasta Zoro would start with that

It's not like Zoro post timeskip is a different character and kaku and kuma instances are pre timeskip

 

[Epsilon_R]

Hes

It's not like Zoro post timeskip is a different character and kaku and kuma instances are pre timeskip

He's not a different characters but that still doesn't mean he would start with it. There are characters that doesn't change character but still starts with different techniques

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[Epsilon_R]

Still need someone to explain how Zoro deals with Luck's lightning

 

[Rez]

Still need someone to explain how Zoro deals with Luck's lightning

Luck isn't one shoting here Zoro is via dura neg before you say he won't start with it I have already given multiple circumstances where he starts with it and Zoro's character hasn't gone through any major change throughout the series either so his fighting style remains same and also breath of all things Precog will help here too

 

[Epsilon_R]

Luck isn't one shoting here Zoro is via dura neg before you say he won't start with it I have already given multiple circumstances where he starts with it and Zoro's character hasn't gone through any major change throughout the series either so his fighting style remains same and also breath of all things Precog will help here too

Okay? Luck has pain tolerance so he's not getting sliced by a mere slash unless it literally cuts body parts, something Pre-Timeskip Zoro never did with dura neg. Not only that, but you've shown fights where most of them took place after the Timeskip, the closest fight you said was against Kaku, which still took place way after Alabasta. It doesn't matter if a character didn't change throughout the series, you can't deny that Zoro became a better fighter, you don't need to change character to start with another techniques. Lastly, that's only 3 fights of the many Zoro had in the series so it doesn't even mean he usually starts with it.

Even assuming he starts with it, Zoro only crossed up to 10 meters with ShiSon at most, he is clearly not crossing hundred of meters with it. Btw, Zoro using that technique that early despite the range difference would actually make it easier for Luck to adapt to it since he wouldn't be caught off guard by Zoro's sudden speed boost

Finally, the thing I actually asked, Zoro can't deal with Luck's lightning so gg.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Okay? Luck has pain tolerance so he's not getting sliced by a mere slash unless it literally cuts body parts, something Pre-Timeskip Zoro never did with dura neg. Not only that, but you've shown fights where most of them took place after the Timeskip, the closest fight you said was against Kaku, which still took place way after Alabasta. It doesn't matter if a character didn't change throughout the series, you can't deny that Zoro became a better fighter, you don't need to change character to start with another techniques. Lastly, that's only 3 fights of the many Zoro had in the series so it doesn't even mean he usually starts with it.

Even assuming he starts with it, Zoro only crossed up to 10 meters with ShiSon at most, he is clearly not crossing hundred of meters with it. Btw, Zoro using that technique that early despite the range difference would actually make it easier for Luck to adapt to it since he wouldn't be caught off guard by Zoro's sudden speed boost

Finally, the thing I actually asked, Zoro can't deal with Luck's lightning so gg.

How strong is luck’s lightning? Zoro has heat resistance

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Okay? Luck has pain tolerance so he's not getting sliced by a mere slash unless it literally cuts body parts, something Pre-Timeskip Zoro never did with dura neg.

Limited Durability Negation with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques (Goken type Swordsmen and those who have reached The pinnacle of Swordsmanship are stated to be capable of cutting any material as long as they will it, whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown) if Zoro wants to cut you he will... it doesn’t matter about your durability link, link

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

What version of luck is used? pre time skip or post time skip

 

[joshpiece]

Zoro FRA

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

if pre timeskip then zoro

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zoro: 8 votes

Luck: 2 votes

 

[Epsilon_R]

How strong is luck’s lightning? Zoro has heat resistance

That really doesn't matter. If Zoro doesn't have paralysis resistance, he gets paralyzed.

Even if his lightning couldn't paralyze him, he can just spam lightning projectiles and knock him out since Zoro can't counter them

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That really doesn't matter. If Zoro doesn't have paralysis resistance, he gets paralyzed.

Even if his lightning couldn't paralyze him, he can just spam lightning projectiles and knock him out since Zoro can't counter them

Ranged slashes... I think or cut the lightning with his will

 

[Epsilon_R]

Ranged slashes... I think or cut the lightning with his will

He can't cut enel who's lightning itself, why would he cut Luck's lightning

 

[Epsilon_R]

"Limited Durability Negation with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques (Goken type Swordsmen and those who have reached The pinnacle of Swordsmanship are stated to be capable of cutting any material as long as they will it, whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown)"

The last part is extremely important as there are instances where Zoro couldn't cut through things, such as Enel's staff or Enel's lightning body. Why should we assume that Zoro can easily cut a body part or lightning itself with it?

 

[joshpiece]

with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques

Zoro couldn't cut through things, such as Enel's staff or Enel's lightning body.

You literally answered your own question. When did he use those attacks on Enel.

 

[Rez]

You literally answered your own question. When did he use those attacks on Enel.

Even if he did used it Enel has elemental intangibility so it's a pointless example regardless

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

"Limited Durability Negation with Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon techniques (Goken type Swordsmen and those who have reached The pinnacle of Swordsmanship are stated to be capable of cutting any material as long as they will it, whether it be flesh or steel however the full extent to which this can be applied is unknown)"

The last part is extremely important as there are instances where Zoro couldn't cut through things, such as Enel's staff or Enel's lightning body. Why should we assume that Zoro can easily cut a body part or lightning itself with it?

Full extent is unknown like being able to cut the sun or something... Link also when Zoro uses Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson & Nitoryu Iai: Rashomon or any techniques he usually don't kill but he has no problem killing if he needs to

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Once again, Zoro FRA. The points I’m seeing are far better than the ones Epsilon is providing.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Haven't zoro won already?

 

[Rez]

Haven't zoro won already?

Is grace over?

 

[Rez]

I don't understand what grace actually is

Once proper vote count is reached a 24 hour grace period starts

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Is grace over?

Not yet

 

[Epsilon_R]

You literally answered your own question. When did he use those attacks on Enel.

Okay. Did Zoro ever dealt with spammable projectiles with those techniques?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Once again, Zoro FRA. The points I’m seeing are far better than the ones Epsilon is providing.

The only win con for Zoro I've seen so far is Durability Negation with Shishi Sonson, how is that useful when both opponents starts hundreds of meters away? Did he ever cut through something like lightning?

 

[Loyd]

idk how luck fights but if he chooses to fight range zoro is done

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Okay. Did Zoro ever dealt with spammable projectiles with those techniques?

I think zoro has ranged slashes

 

[Epsilon_R]

I think zoro has ranged slashes

You said he starts with Shishi Sonson though. Ranged air slashes wouldn't be able to block electricity anyway

 

[Rez]

You said he starts with Shishi Sonson though. Ranged air slashes wouldn't be able to block electricity anyway

That lighting is not one shoting Zoro he can close the distance and breath of all things Precog will help too

 

[Epsilon_R]

idk how luck fights but if he chooses to fight range zoro is done

They start at long range via SBA

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

They start at long range via SBA

What's SBA?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You said he starts with Shishi Sonson though. Ranged air slashes wouldn't be able to block electricity anyway

Start with Shishi Sonson? Zoro usually starts with it or uses it in the middle of a battle... Zoro uses it when he wants to or needs to

 

[Loyd]

i know elf luck fired danmaku ish projectile
did early series luck ever use projectiles i can only recall him wraping his arms and legs in lightning for the speed and melee/CQC amp