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Lucifero vs white diamond

Wouldn’t those amps put him well past 100 Teratons at that point? Shouldn’t that be restricted idk how tournaments with AP limits like this one deals with amps that push characters beyond that level

I did and it just says he was unaffected by someone trying to send him to another world or smth, which can be because of a multitude of reasons that don’t cover bubbling such as resistances to magic etc
I mean amp his statitics not his ap. Dorothy bfr is way more potent sends you to a separate unniverse and lucifero has information analysis so he will no and dodge with teleportation, destroy it and etc
 
Shouldn’t be any different because it’s magic affecting the gravity. Gravity is gravity
I mean it’s still magic but sure lucifero has Statistics Amplification(With Reinforcement Magic, Mana Skin, and Heavy Infighting he can just keep attacking and win since his has the ap advantage and if that doesn’t work he will resort to hax
 
Hmmmm yeah, White has that gravity resistance but it doesn’t help with the lower AP or the fact other stats will be widened in terms of gaps, what other notable and in character hax does Lucifero have? He seems to lack a bit in the range factor, so White could potentially snipe him, but it’ll prove tricky.
 
Hmmmm yeah, White has that gravity resistance but it doesn’t help with the lower AP or the fact other stats will be widened in terms of gaps, what other notable and in character hax does Lucifero have? He seems to lack a bit in the range factor, so White could potentially snipe him, but it’ll prove tricky.
Lucifero can teleport and has passive forcefield creation and layered powernull and information analysis so he will see her abilities and deal with her accordingly with his fist enhanced with reinforcement magic and heavy infighting and mana skin. Also her bfr won’t work he resist it and Dorothy bfr is way more potent
 
Lucifero can teleport
NLF, teleporting to dodge a sword attack does not mean we can assume he can close a multi galaxy gap


passive forcefield creation
The profile says this upscales from Elves who have barriers to protect from Magic and I don’t think we can equalise verses here, because White’s abilities are alien and part of her biology if nothing else.

layered powernull
Where is this on the profile I can’t see it


information analysis
Used to gauge power based on what’s on the profile, in no way does it state that he can predict moves he’s never seen before (at the very least from White)


Also her bfr won’t work he resist it and Dorothy bfr is way more potent
The profile says he destroyed the spell that would’ve caused the BFR, as well as saying he was unaffected by it, were these two different circumstances, or is his BFR resistance limited to BFR spells, which White’s just doesn’t fall under.

The context of a P&A section is just as important as the actual abilities list.
 
NLF, teleporting to dodge a sword attack does not mean we can assume he can close a multi galaxy gap



The profile says this upscales from Elves who have barriers to protect from Magic and I don’t think we can equalise verses here, because White’s abilities are alien and part of her biology if nothing else.


Where is this on the profile I can’t see it



Used to gauge power based on what’s on the profile, in no way does it state that he can predict moves he’s never seen before (at the very least from White)



The profile says he destroyed the spell that would’ve caused the BFR, as well as saying he was unaffected by it, were these two different circumstances, or is his BFR resistance limited to BFR spells, which White’s just doesn’t fall under.

The context of a P&A section is just as important as the actual abilities list.
Nope bfr won’t work. Dorothy can bfr to another universe. She admitted that it didn't work on him. You can’t just ignore p&a because you don’t like it. Also he won’t let the bfr happen he will just teleport away or destroy it. It’s not ic to start of with bfr. And lucifero will dominate in physical combat since he can amp his stats and sharer WD to pieces beyond repair. Or resort to his other haxes like his black hole.
 
NLF, teleporting to dodge a sword attack does not mean we can assume he can close a multi galaxy gap



The profile says this upscales from Elves who have barriers to protect from Magic and I don’t think we can equalise verses here, because White’s abilities are alien and part of her biology if nothing else.


Where is this on the profile I can’t see it



Used to gauge power based on what’s on the profile, in no way does it state that he can predict moves he’s never seen before (at the very least from White)



The profile says he destroyed the spell that would’ve caused the BFR, as well as saying he was unaffected by it, were these two different circumstances, or is his BFR resistance limited to BFR spells, which White’s just doesn’t fall under.

The context of a P&A section is just as important as the actual abilities list.
Overwhelming Aura (Mages with a large amount of Magic Power can exert it to induce an intense pressure in their surroundings. Lucifero's Magic Power is vastly superior to Megicula and Zagred's Magic Power, which Yami described as being in a completely different level),
Forcefield Creation (People with a large amount of Magic Power have a forcefield of Magic Power that naturally protects them from incoming attacks),
Magic Nullification via Forcefield Creation (Lucifero's Magic Power is vastly superior to the elves, whom possess a field that can prevent mages from casting spells or exerting magic in their presence),
 
NLF, teleporting to dodge a sword attack does not mean we can assume he can close a multi galaxy gap



The profile says this upscales from Elves who have barriers to protect from Magic and I don’t think we can equalise verses here, because White’s abilities are alien and part of her biology if nothing else.


Where is this on the profile I can’t see it



Used to gauge power based on what’s on the profile, in no way does it state that he can predict moves he’s never seen before (at the very least from White)



The profile says he destroyed the spell that would’ve caused the BFR, as well as saying he was unaffected by it, were these two different circumstances, or is his BFR resistance limited to BFR spells, which White’s just doesn’t fall under.

The context of a P&A section is just as important as the actual abilities list.
Do you not know the time and research it takes to make a profile? You can’t just say it won’t work since I don’t want it too. Dorothy bfr is better that’s all. And with his forcefields aura those bubbles are not working and he can resist and destroy them with his aura alone.
 
Does this apply to physical attacks and/or non magic related energy attacks?
Yes, it applies to non-physical attacks and any other attack that is weaker than the user since it can bend light magic(lucifero and dante only). His aura alone will crush WD.
 
Hmmm well White could theoretically just snipe him but he has an AP advantage as well as outhaxing White so I’ll vote Lucifero
 
To be honest, Lucifero is the only one that can win this fight since White win condition is nulled via Gravity Aura, the bubble is use only when someone is defeated because it could be dodge, could be destroyed, etc

And because is not instant, you need to bubble it, then teleport it, Speed is equalized, so Lucifero is bubbled, has one moment to punch it or anything
 
Speed and reactions is equalized read versus thread rules
Might be a bit late, but reactions aren't equalized. They're only lowered by the same multiplier.

Which is distinctly different. Here's how it would work. Say you have a combat speed of 343 m/s, but a reaction speed of 1,000,000 m/s.

Character B has a combat and reaction speed of 100 m/s.

Character A's reaction speed is equalized to 100 m/s, which is a 3.43x multiplicative decrease. If reaction speed is decreased by the same multiplier, it's decreased by 3.43x, not equalized.

1,000,000/3.43 = 291,545.189 m/s. Which is still far above combat speed.
 
I might take off my vote for Lucifero and wait for a lil more input for now if it decides who goes through tbh, others should get a say
 
Heard Gems physiology adapts to nearly all types of gravity

even though they’ve never dealt with class T gravity before

Lucifero should crush them tbh. So I vote Luci
 
This match is over but Gravity crushing just isn’t a wincon, period. Gems adapt to any and all types of Gravity, it’s literally one of the reasons they were so good at colonising so many planets. Arguing that they would still be crushed because the gravity is at a certain level, when the upper limits (if any) of gems Gravity adaptations is pretty unknown is really dumb
 
This match is over but Gravity crushing just isn’t a wincon, period. Gems adapt to any and all types of Gravity, it’s literally one of the reasons they were so good at colonising so many planets. Arguing that they would still be crushed because the gravity is at a certain level, when the upper limits (if any) of gems Gravity adaptations is pretty unknown is really dumb
You assume a single planet in the universe has class T gravity… unless stars are included. This is clearly NLF

well… match is over ig.
 
You assume a single planet in the universe has class T gravity… unless stars are included. This is clearly NLF

well… match is over ig.
don't really see how a class G being able to adapt to class T is nlf. It's literally the next tier. And if im not wrong the calc White scales from is high into class G.
 
In what world is this NLF
No limit fallacy, saying a character can do anything because there was no specified limit to their power.

Eg, White Diamond can adapt to any form of gravity because she adapted to gravity of multiple planets.

Why it’s a fallacy. (To me at least lol)

She has a class G and has never experienced Class T before.
 
Resistances don’t just stop at what they’ve been directly shown to do? NLF is not a resistance to gravity manipulation working past gravity that exceeds the users LS, nevermind when the two are that close.

It’s a resistance feat? I thought gems were just strong enough to take most gravities
 
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