Lucifer Morningstar vs Randolph Carter

[Jman8009]

Two fancily dressed 1-As going at it!

Who wins?


Now looking at it..... I think Randolph might stomp.... but what do you guys think?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Randolph are become aspect of yog sothoth who are high 1-A he takes this with ease

 

[AndrewBennet]

Lucifer one shots .

 

[Jman8009]

@AndrewBennet


How? Lucifer doesn't have True Godly regen or Immortality type 5

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes Lucifer does.

Anyway, no Lucifer doesn't one shot. I don't know who wins tho.

 

[MasterOfArda]

From what I got outer gods stomp verses like DC. Unless Lucifer transcends all perspective and can kill creatures who ascend above places above space and time with a glance then he gets stomped.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Umm...

 

[MasterOfArda]

Besides High 1-A and above

 

[Penguinkingpin]

...Inconclusive, neither could kill the other permanently ((this is the same damn gimmick with every 1-A battles))

 

[AndrewBennet]

Lucifer killed 1A entitiy name logoz ( The word of god ) in the original run and is far superior to baseline 1A's in DC which even includes the Source who can create and erase 1A entities .

 

[Jockey-1337]

Lucifer. He can fly in the void without any problems, he created his own multiverse. Lucifer simply has more combat feats and he is more cunning.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

^ Pretty sure all the feats you mentioned are basic 1-A stuff

Also

>Lucifer is more cunning

>Randolph's intelligence is listed as Omniscient

hm.....

 

[The_Everlasting]

Lucifer. He can fly in the void without any problems, he created his own multiverse. Lucifer simply has more combat feats and he is more cunning.

You realize none of those make him stronger than Randolph, right?

 

[MasterOfArda]

You realize none of those make him stronger than Randolph, right?

This.

Creating a multiverse is by definition High 1-B, and flying through a timeless void is not impressive at all.

That vote makes no sense.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Lucifer. He can fly in the void without any problems, he created his own multiverse. Lucifer simply has more combat feats and he is more cunning.

You realize none of those make him stronger than Randolph, right?

His feats are not better, but he has MORE feats.

 

[MasterOfArda]

His feats are not better, but he has MORE feats.

More feats are not helpful here.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Welp, i guess Saitama can defeat all of the Featless Tier 1s now

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Carter seems to be way higher when it comes to 1-A, since he is an aspect of a High 1-A.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

This is why 1-A fights are horse ****

 

[DarkLK]

Not only archetypes, but even ordinary humans are aspects of Yog (and dreams of Azathoth). How should this affect the fight?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

This.

Creating a multiverse is by definition High 1-B, and flying through a timeless void is not impressive at all.

That vote makes no sense.

High 1-B?

 

[MasterOfArda]

Yes.

That's why the Living Tribunal can be no higher than High 1-B.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Wait a second, if even regular humans are aspects of Yog, then why is Carter 1-A due to being "An eternal aspect of the All-in-One"? I'm confused.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yes.
That's why the Living Tribunal can be no higher than High 1-B.

Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar created an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse that is the DC Multiverse and they are 1-A.

 

[TheSandman31]

Wait a second, if even regular humans are aspects of Yog, then why is Carter 1-A due to being "An eternal aspect of the All-in-One"? I'm confused.

he is merely one facet of an "ultimate, eternal Carter" who resides with (or within) Yog-Sothoth, far outside the confines of space and time.

 

[DarkLK]

Wait a second, if even regular humans are aspects of Yog, then why is Carter 1-A due to being "An eternal aspect of the All-in-One"? I'm confused.

Because he is an eternal archetype.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Oh, ok. Isn't that still above Lucy tho?

 

[DarkLK]

Who knows. I personally do not see in this topic any clear argument in favor of anyone.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok, I guess.

 

[ProspectX]

@DarkLK

Why would one try to distingush between the 10-B tier and the 1-A?

If he is a eternal aspect, then he is eternally 1-A.

 

[DarkLK]

He's 1-A if he's 1-A. Carter is 1-A because he is an Archetype, not because he is an aspect of Yog. Everything is aspects of Yog, but not everything is an Archetype.

 

[ProspectX]

I apologize for confusing the term, i meant how he is a eternal archetype.

If we are going by the cause and effect of this world, that would make a distinguishing between those two tiers.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

how much higher are the eternal archetypes above the baseline 1-A?

 

[Burstchaos]

Wait, Randolph has type 5 immortality; how is Lucy going to kill him, which is pretty much all that matters in 1-A fights.

 

[ProspectX]

Every outerversal has type 5, it's not even impressive in this fight.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

His Type 5 was removed, people.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Type 5 is different now anyway. Just means beyond life and death, not completely unkillable.

 

[ProspectX]

Precisely.

 

[Schnee_One]

This thread is shit.

Like, I can't believe people are using combat feats and cunning to say Lucifer is stronger.

What the hell.

 

[DMB_1]

So, essentially, this is inconclusive?