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So why wouldn’t this be an outlier?
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Low 2-C Deadzone upgrade
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It was like star to multi solar system bruh
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Ok? The magnitude is still extremely lower than Planet to Universe+, especially when such a jump isn't even backed from an immense power creep.
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Stonewalling is continuing to argue an already addressed argument despite all the evidence against it - literally being a stone wall that isn’t even remotely open to changing your mindWhat is the meaning of Stonewall? I heard that word be used several times but I don't know what it means or what people mean when they say they want to Stonewall something
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How is it so unbelievable when garlic jr was going to absorb two entire spacetimes within his deadzone, but it blatantly being called infinite is where you draw the line?
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Is something that is not happening here, so is kinda irrelevant. I can answer you in PM. Yet atleast, Tilted seems to be heading in that direction.What is the meaning of Stonewall? I heard that word be used several times but I don't know what it means or what people mean when they say they want to Stonewall something
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Because literally anything else in the series is potrayed as way lower in power until the Buu saga, again.
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This isn’t quite correct
A) Toei Frieza’s First Form has a High 4-C feat and it’s performed very casually. Final Form 100% Frieza is 4-A, and you have to remember that his lower forms are literally designed by Frieza to be notably weaker
B) Frieza and Cell’s “Universal Statements” aren’t along the lines of “they could destroy the universe”. They’re more so “they pos a threat to the universe/may eventually lay waste to the universe” type claims
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Thanks
Don't worry, Clover already answered my question
Be careful when dealing with stonewalls, use the clash of clans wall breaker on them! I'll take my leave now
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Cell is also stated to have infinite power, and high 4-C to 4-A is a pretty big jump if you ask me.
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Infinite power is obviously a hyperbole. That point is incredibly irrelevant
High 4-C to 4-A is not as large a jump as 5-C to Low 2-C. You know that. Especially since Toei Frieza has context that explains it
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Infinite power statements are almost all the time hyperbolic and are used as just supportive evidence for High 3-A or above ratings.
I've genuinely forgot that Garlic Jr.'s feat treated as a supportive evidence for Frieza's 4-A. No matter though, as High 4-C to Low 2-C is an absurd jump in power nontheless.
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The outlier arguments doesn't work when there are multiple balant infinite/universe destroying statements that exsists further on in the story.
Freiza was stated to have the power to destroy the universe twice, and they all imply immediate destruction.
Metal cooler has infinite power statement, Broly has multiples universe destroying statements, cell has multiple destroying statements plus infinite power statement.
All in all, it seems oddly consistent to me.
Freiza was stated to have the power to destroy the universe twice, and they all imply immediate destruction.
Metal cooler has infinite power statement, Broly has multiples universe destroying statements, cell has multiple destroying statements plus infinite power statement.
All in all, it seems oddly consistent to me.
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why cant garlic jr also be supportive evidence of universal frieza?? And all the other statements?
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I think when he says this through the Androids that have infinite energy to give to Cell, literally the Androids are his batteries, lol
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I dismiss it as hyperbole as it is not an statement made to inform its victims of the actual size of the deadzone, and comes across as Garlick JR hyping his own power.
Also outlier when Freezas who vastly surpasses him only has tier 4 feats and the next best feat is Cells Solar System statement, the latter being more damning because it’s not like cell is intending to hold back the AoE of his attack.
Also outlier when Freezas who vastly surpasses him only has tier 4 feats and the next best feat is Cells Solar System statement, the latter being more damning because it’s not like cell is intending to hold back the AoE of his attack.
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Universe destroying statements existing later in the story doesn’t make earlier ones not outliers. In fact, it makes it more likely. Why is someone like Cell given so much hype for being able to destroy the universe if he can casually one-shot already Universe level characters?
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This is genuinely important to bring up
The Androids having “infinite power” isn’t in the High 3-A fashion. If somebody plugs their phone into their charger in an infinitely supplied outlet, it’s not High 3-A. That’s essentially the deal with the Androids
I also find it odd that there’s apparently so many Universe level and Universe level+ feats, yet people are only bringing up the Deadzone. This is either an undercooked revision thread or people making last minute excuses
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He can do it easier? He is stronger? You do realise that people can occupie the same tier and be billions of times stronger.
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That's like saying goku is not universal for being surprised someone can destroy a universe, despite he himself being universal or higher and beating characters that are universal.
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If raditz victims were uni+ there was no reason to hype cell doing it no matter how much easier. Easier argument doesn't work
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Except the scenario you’re creating doesn’t exist, or ignores other factors
That doesn’t really answer the question. Hell, by this logic, Imperfect Cell should be able to nuke a universe easily but only Perfect Cell gets that hype. Almost as if only Perfect Cell is intended to have that level of power, if even…
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Are the androids besides Cell ever actually stated to have 'infinite power'? I think it's just infinite energy in their case.
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Pretty much
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This is correct. They’re only stated to have infinite energy and never get tired, which is stamina, not AP
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Neutral. This seems logical to me to be honest, but I do definitely acknowledge that 5-C to Low 2-C is a little... yeah.
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He was actually like 4-A
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Then I don't think you should be discarding the infinite power statement.
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Dawg, any time “infinite power” is stated in Dragon Ball, it’s always used as a hyperbole to gas up villains
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This is attempting to upgrade Dead Zone, so that’s kind of irrelevant. And as I’ve already mentioned, later Universal statements existing doesn’t make the earlier ones more valid. It could actually have the opposite effect
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Not to mention that "power" in Dragon Ball was always talked about power level, not irl joule values. If Cell had actual infinite power, does it mean that Gohan's rage boost was literally infinite?
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Personally, I don't think you should be going into a DB CRT having the mindset that all infinite power statement are hyperbole from the get go.
Especially when the Infinite Universe meta is heavily argued upon, and that to my knowledge all of the characters with 'infinite power' statements coincidentally also have Universal statements.
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I think it more so solidifies the fact that cell saying he has infinite power could be literal as even garlic jr can perform a low 2c feat and frieza and cell both having statements for destroying the universe
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The infinite universe meta is a much different can of works and equating it to the infinite power rating isn’t an argument in your favour
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the most important piece to this argument
The raw kanji is right here: この無限地獄で己の愚かさを後悔しろ= "Regret your foolishness in this infinite hell". You can also hear garlic jr say "mugen" in the video as well, so there shouldn't be any problems here. Now for the interpretation, garlic jr says to regret their decisions in the infinite hell known as the dead zone. Now I know some people will try to say, "well this could easily mean endless or infinite suffering". Well this isn't really the case here because the dead zone freezes your body and soul, so one could argue that you wouldn't really suffer at all to begin with, just slowly stay frozen until you eventually die out. And the kanji is, "無限" which literally means infinity (which in this context refers to the dead zones size). Garlic jr also said this in a way to where he is most likely talking about the dead zone itself being infinite in size. We know garlic jr also refers to the dead zone as being a hell, so "infinite hell" most likely is referring to the dead zone itself, and is not some poetic or hyperbolic way to say endless suffering, because eventually, those sucked in, like Goku and co will die in the dead zone, as even stated by garlic jr. So I think it can undoubtedly be referred to as being an infinite space in the most literal sense.
With that said I agree with the upgrade
The raw kanji is right here: この無限地獄で己の愚かさを後悔しろ= "Regret your foolishness in this infinite hell". You can also hear garlic jr say "mugen" in the video as well, so there shouldn't be any problems here. Now for the interpretation, garlic jr says to regret their decisions in the infinite hell known as the dead zone. Now I know some people will try to say, "well this could easily mean endless or infinite suffering". Well this isn't really the case here because the dead zone freezes your body and soul, so one could argue that you wouldn't really suffer at all to begin with, just slowly stay frozen until you eventually die out. And the kanji is, "無限" which literally means infinity (which in this context refers to the dead zones size). Garlic jr also said this in a way to where he is most likely talking about the dead zone itself being infinite in size. We know garlic jr also refers to the dead zone as being a hell, so "infinite hell" most likely is referring to the dead zone itself, and is not some poetic or hyperbolic way to say endless suffering, because eventually, those sucked in, like Goku and co will die in the dead zone, as even stated by garlic jr. So I think it can undoubtedly be referred to as being an infinite space in the most literal sense.
With that said I agree with the upgrade
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My issue isn’t with the term infinite. I heard “mugen”, I know it was said. But when you examine the context, Garlic Jr’s use of “infinite hell” is not at all a strong argument for Low 2-C. People are also referring to how, surprise surprise, being trapped in a hellscape without food or water will result in your death. Not exactly news of the year
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Also just so I’m making it clear (if I wasn’t clear enough), I disagree with the OP. This doesn’t seem nearly concrete enough for Low 2-C, and even if it was, you’d still have to ignore the massive outlier it is
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