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Looney Tunes Discussion

Tonygameman said:
Regarding Sylvester and looking through a canon post, there's this 1995 show called The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries. It has lots of recurring cameos (though only Bugs, Porky & Wile E. were excluded) and probably some stuff the duo, Hector & Granny may get for their profiles.

@GoGoPowerRanger is also making a Death Battle of Tom and Sylvester, so perhaps he can also help us.
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I'm pretty sure Bugsy did appear in the show's sequel movie.

Nice. Sb doing justice to Sylvester
MaidRips said:
Comics(Don't know where to put these, but I know there are comic runs that reference previous shorts which should put them in the actors canon. Otherwise, they belong in miscellaneous or their own separate stuff)
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Damn, I'm late. Even ignoring the numreous references, they've shown to be actors in the comics too. There's a lot more instances that I missed. I don't think they should be seperated(the 1990 & the 1994-2023 runs to be specific)
 
MaidRips said:
Unrelated to scaling and stuff but I just really love Back In Action.
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I haven't seen the film in the longest time, I found it a bit more memorable then Space Jam at least (Michael Jordan cameos in it too, but only as a cartoony disguise), the ones I remember the most was the trippy Super Looney Tunes 64 Art scenes too:

However I more clearly remember completing the GBA Back in Action game... Which is more harder then people think:

The vehicular segments are the most scary, there are ACME Kart items to be used that may seem good on paper and it can be, I mean they have a charm to them even when platforming (despite depth perception problems), but for the racing segments is just choppy and scuffed AF. The Taz Race is the most aggravating to bypass due to how small the track is to make turns and try not crashing at full speed, or you'll die somehow, despite being a Toon.
Also the game doesn't end in Space like in the film sadly (it's but only a second stage in Area 52), it ends with the Jungle Stage. Final Boss is avoiding this monkey dood with the Chaos Emerald and Taz trying to eat you, so you have to outwit Taz into getting eaten by Prehistoric Tweety via platform air combustion.

But hey I'm sure AVGN will love it. We also need him back, bro also had a 1-C! It all goes full circle again! He seemingly ****** Bugs Bunny before, but can he for real again?? XD:



Also surprisingly a running theme of familiarity, the SAME FORMAT an Animaniacs GBA game went for:

Now yes Animaniacs is also part of my Childhood, I think the first one I saw was "Wackos Wish" on HBO (Anyone remember this one?) But I didn't directly play this GBA game in my Childhood. I found this game when I had my high school laptop and tinkered with more GBA ROMS in my spare. Not the only ones, but we're mainly focusing on Toon games from childhood here.
 
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MaidRips said:
It's a bit more deeper than that. High Tiers like Bugs and Yakko are able to see beyond the fourth wall and even phase out of it into higher dimensions. Their higher forms of "looniness" -- an actual in-verse thing as Tiny Toons explains -- allows them more freedom and abilities in what they can do. Usually this belongs to the central protagonists rather than the comedic foils. They're both toons and can take a lot of the same punishments so they're not exactly on different tiers of AP and Dura. Bugs can harm Daffy and Daffy can harm Bugs. No one's disproving that. But the levels of their hax are much different.
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I say it depends with Daffy, sometimes he can be the protagonist rather than the foil
MaidRips said:
Daffy can't see or immerse himself beyond the fourth wall. He can only complain and throw a fit as the unseen animator torments him. Meanwhile, Bugs can move freely about these dimensions and become the animator himself, and Yakko can actually do something about it and throw the Animator into the cartoon with him. Both of these things, Daffy himself wouldn't be able to do because he's not at the same tier as them. Likewise, Dr. Scratchansniff, the olympian, and Norita are not able to see or notice the Animator making changes as Yakko would. There is a clear hierarchy at play here, I think.

Adding support to this, in Rabbit Rampage, Bugs immediately knows it's Elmer behind the page, he can physically break the paintbrush used to paint the picture, and he ends the cartoon on his own terms, unlike Daffy. Elmer can vary between Mid and High Tier for this reason, as Looney Tunes is a flexible verse when it comes to these scales and portrayals, but Daffy is consistently mid tier for the evidence shown above.
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He can: He & Porky have seen outside of the picture in a black n white short/jumped to the real world. He has seen his tv viewers leave their living room in Duck Dodgers TV Series. He has asked the artist draw things before kinda like Yakko that one time. Unlike all those secondary characters you mentioned, Daffy can noticed some of the changes the artist makes & even tried to resist it. Also everyone can leap into the real world, it's not exclusive to Bugs or the Warners as seen in Tiny Toons & Back in Action, even by accident. Seems like try to break out fiction when the artist is against you is harder seeing none of them has just out jumped into the real world and try to fight the animator there.

Yeah but Daffy did manage to postpone the ending despite Bugs being the animator.
 
Fireld said:
I say it depends with Daffy, sometimes he can be the protagonist rather than the foil
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I see. This will contribute to a decision I'm going to make below.
Fireld said:
He can: He & Porky have seen outside of the picture in a black n white short/jumped to the real world. He has seen his tv viewers leave their living room in Duck Dodgers TV Series. He has asked the artist draw things before kinda like Yakko that one time. Unlike all those secondary characters you mentioned, Daffy can noticed some of the changes the artist makes & even tried to resist it. Also everyone can leap into the real world, it's not exclusive to Bugs or the Warners as seen in Tiny Toons & Back in Action, even by accident. Seems like try to break out fiction when the artist is against you is harder seeing none of them has just out jumped into the real world and try to fight the animator there.
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The thing is, the "real world" in 3D and in 5D is very different in Looney Tunes canon. Animators are shown drawing the Animaniacs and Tiny Toons in their origin stories. But that is within the 3D story. Animators can exist within the 3D universe and are responsible for creating those characters within the context of the cartoon. Watchers of cartoons and their staff, like Plotz and Nora are a part of the story the animators have to animate. But the Conductor and The Animator (Yakko Amakko) are different because they perceive all of Animaniacs as fiction. Even those animators that "created" the Warners. The crew above them created them. Hence why the Looney Tunes are stars in their world. Back In Action's ending is still in that same 3D world. The same world where Plotz/Nora run Warner Bros. Hence why the Tiny Toons jump out of their paper and interact with their animator, that's 2D to 3D. When Yakko interacts with the Animator who sees the Warner Movie Lot, and Animaniacs as a whole, as fiction, a mere file of data instead of a movie set, that's 3D to 5D. All Duck Amuck-like incidents in which the character interacts with the animator in some way are also 3D to 5D though. So I would count Daffy doing the stuff in that comic as high tier feats.
Fireld said:
Yeah but Daffy did manage to postpone the ending despite Bugs being the animator.
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Daffy was interacting with a 3-D construct and removing screen transitions/space/stuff like that is a thing all toons can do. He had to have directly interacted with Bugs for it to be valid.

Which is why I will say this for the reasons you have listed. As per the nature of Looney Tunes, where roles can be swapped between foil and tormenter depending on the nature of the cartoon, Daffy should be Mid-Tier but with High Tier at his peak, which sounds like a comfortable place to put him.
 
MaidRips said:
I see. This will contribute to a decision I'm going to make below.

The thing is, the "real world" in 3D and in 5D is very different in Looney Tunes canon. Animators are shown drawing the Animaniacs and Tiny Toons in their origin stories. But that is within the 3D story. Animators can exist within the 3D universe and are responsible for creating those characters within the context of the cartoon. Watchers of cartoons and their staff, like Plotz and Nora are a part of the story the animators have to animate. But the Conductor and The Animator (Yakko Amakko) are different because they perceive all of Animaniacs as fiction. Even those animators that "created" the Warners. The crew above them created them. Hence why the Looney Tunes are stars in their world. Back In Action's ending is still in that same 3D world. The same world where Plotz/Nora run Warner Bros. Hence why the Tiny Toons jump out of their paper and interact with their animator, that's 2D to 3D. When Yakko interacts with the Animator who sees the Warner Movie Lot, and Animaniacs as a whole, as fiction, a mere file of data instead of a movie set, that's 3D to 5D. All Duck Amuck-like incidents in which the character interacts with the animator in some way are also 3D to 5D though. So I would count Daffy doing the stuff in that comic as high tier feats.

Daffy was interacting with a 3-D construct and removing screen transitions/space/stuff like that is a thing all toons can do. He had to have directly interacted with Bugs for it to be valid.

Which is why I will say this for the reasons you have listed. As per the nature of Looney Tunes, where roles can be swapped between foil and tormenter depending on the nature of the cartoon, Daffy should be Mid-Tier but with High Tier at his peak, which sounds like a comfortable place to put him.
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Wait so Daffy and Taz wont scale to Tier 1?
 
Gonna get into more Tiny Toons later. I just took a break because I was feeling burnout after binging all of them so quickly.
 
Sorry for the lack of updates. Tiny Toons is taking a while.

I'm only on Episode 30 out of like 100.
 
MaidRips said:
Sorry for the lack of updates. Tiny Toons is taking a while.

I'm only on Episode 30 out of like 100.
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Do we have a time limit? Or can we just do our parts any time we want

I got some things to do and I was thinking saving Taz to Holiday
 
ShionAH said:
Do we have a time limit? Or can we just do our parts any time we want
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I don't know why we would have a time limit. It's just the sooner we can get through all this media, the sooner we can complete the Toon Physiology page.
 
ShionAH said:
Destroying a universe is sometimes Low 2-C but after looking at the clip I guess H3-A is safer.
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Yeah, there was no mention of them destroying the time-space continuum.

The Brain is Low 2-C with prep time though.
 
ShionAH said:
Would high tier toons scale to this speed: Immeasurable (He is able to react to the Animator and catch them off-guard with an attack, who exists above his time-space continuum)
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All toons that scale to the speed of Bugs, Daffy, Elmer Fudd or The Warners should scale to this speed. Bugs and Elmer Fudd are able to move freely in the Creation World and Daffy is able to intercept the Animator's pencil and break it.

Since Buster Bunny fought Daffy, all Tiny Toons should scale to his speed as well. I'm pretty sure nearly all the Looney Tunes would scale to Immeasurable.
 
There's also a short where Dot fights Taz, dressed up as The Beast from Beauty and The Beast, and she took hits from him, I believe, so that would make him High 3-A as well.
 
MaidRips said:
There's also a short where Dot fights Taz, dressed up as The Beast from Beauty and The Beast, and she took hits from him, I believe, so that would make him High 3-A as well.
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I mean Taz already scales above every toon physically but if theres a clip it would be nice to add
 
ShionAH said:
Since Taz didnt really go mad would that give him resistance?

This is kinda confusing btw sometimes Taz can talk but in Tazmania they state he never learned
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Taz is an actor so sometimes he can talk in certain shorts and sometimes he can't. Tiny Toons Taz has him speak regularly while mentoring Dizzy.
 
MaidRips said:
Taz is an actor so sometimes he can talk in certain shorts and sometimes he can't. Tiny Toons Taz has him speak regularly while mentoring Dizzy.
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Since Taz didnt really go mad would that give him resistance?
 
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