Link (TotK) vs Makima (CSM) (18-7-0) (GRACE OVER)

[Kellex]

I have no idea how this is gonna go, but let's do it.

RULES:

• Mid-Game Link is used​
• Makima has prior knowledge of Link's status as the hero of Hyrule​
• Link is not considered a japanese citizen in Makima's Japan​
• Limited Recall is used​
• All optional equipment is allowed​
• Battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan​
• Starting distance is 100m​
• Speed equal​
• SBA​

LINK (18): Therefir, Dalesean027, Chariot190, Robo432343, XSOULOFCINDERX, Foriaa, Kellex, McFriesGuy075, GlaceonGamez471, SnakesCity, Delusionaltx2, Supersonicmaker, Da3ggman, Epiccheev, Qurbonboev, Anonymous_Learner, Luckyfun, NikHelton
AP and Durability: 42.95 Kilotons of tnt
Speed: Higher when focused (3.81x)
LS: 1504 Metric Tons, far higher with Ultrahand



MAKIMA (7): Thunderman101, Hypertornado099, PhantomØ4, GodEarh206, WIngs_Of_Despair, Enter_Bluey, CastoriceTheFifth
AP: Varies, Upscales from 550 Tons of TNT physically, 5.5 Kilotons of TNT with 1,000 Years, Upscales 128.18 Kilotons of TNT with Telekinesis (~2.98x the AP)
Durability: Upscales from 550 Tons of TNT
Speed: Massively higher attack speed (56.49x)
LS: Upscales from 2,549.918 Metric Tons (1.7x higher than Link's physical LS)

Inconclusive:

Sukuna for some reason: Keshirou, LIFE_OF_KING, Laitnetop

 

[Catbowtie]

Link is not considered a japanese citizen in Makima's Japan

Why WOULD he be?

 

[GunshyFever]

Why WOULD he be?

You could say that he's...linked

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why WOULD he be?

Good question!

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following, this'll be fun ig

 

[Kellex]

You could say that he's...linked

 

[Therefir]

When Link is focused his speed becomes 20 times faster, but we aren't ready for that discussion yet.

Anyways, Link's Gloom Spear can reap souls on contact, and since Makima doesn't have soul resistance, she's basically done for the moment Link impales her with it.

So I'm voting for Link.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Why would she just stand there and take it

 

[Therefir]

Wouldn't be the first time, it's even on her weaknesses.

 

[Thunderman101]

Link fra

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Wouldn't be the first time, it's even on her weaknesses.

It's been months why is that still there

Still, they're a 100 meters apart. And nothing says Link would even start with that specific weapon either.
While Makima just has to like, look at him and his brain explodes

 

[Epiccheev]

Makima smoking that cigar like a badass when she is going to choke 02 seconds later.
Can Link keep going after brain hemorrhage?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It's pretty lethal.

In these panels, we see the yakuza freeze mid punch, his face then followed by fountains of blood surging from his nostrils and mouth as Makima stares at him. The injury must be entirely internal and must occur high enough in the head or neck to send blood out of both the nasal passages and the oropharynx. The most accurate clinical analogue is a sudden intracranial vessel rupture, either a large intraparenchymal bleed (a type of stroke where blood leaks into the brain tissue itself).

Given the fact that the yakuza is left limp and unresponsive rather than instantly dead, what most closely matches is a ruptured cerebral artery that produces a large volume subarachnoid haemorrhage.
Which I already explain here:

In real world neurosurgery, a spontaneous or trauma induced intracerebral hemorrhage actually is far deadlier than a knife track that simply pierces the brain.
When an artery ruptures inside the cranial vault it releases pressurized blood into soft neural tissue that has almost nowhere to go. The expanding clot raises intracranial pressure within minutes which squashes adjacent brain structures, shuts off capillary perfusion and can force the brainstem downward in a terminal herniation cascade. Even if the initial bleed is modest, biochemical toxicity from iron, thrombin and glutamate sets off hours to days of secondary edema and cell death throughout the surrounding parenchyma.

Now we're focusing on what this causes (aka more in depth explanation), which is a subarachnoid haemorrhage. So try to picture your brain wrapped in three thin layers. Between the middle layer called the arachnoid membrane and the innermost layer that hugs the brain lies a narrow fluid filled cushion known as the subarachnoid space. That fluid called cerebrospinal fluid, acts like shock absorbing water which keeps the brain from banging against the skull. Sometimes, a blood vessel in a loop of arteries at the base of the brain develops a weak berry shaped bulge called a saccular or "berry" aneurysm. If that bulge suddenly bursts, fast moving arterial blood jets into the subarachnoid space, mixing with the cerebrospinal fluid and sharply raising the pressure inside the skull, known as intracranial pressure. People may pass out or develop trouble moving or speaking and sometimes experience seizures. Doctors call this whole event a subarachnoid hemorrhage which is a medical emergency because the rising pressure and loss of blood flow can damage the brain within minutes.

What makes Makima’s "bio stare" much deadlier than any real world subarachnoid hemorrhage is that she strips away every natural brake the human body or a trauma team normally has. In real life, the danger starts with an existing weakness. For example, a berry aneurysm has to form over years before it can burst. Makima skips that waiting period by instantaneously rupturing a vessel that was perfectly healthy seconds earlier. It's lethal because it unleashes the worst case version of a subarachnoid haemorrhage all at once and with no time for the body or doctors to fight back. When an intracranial artery tears, pressurized blood explodes into the subarachnoid space faster than cerebrospinal fluid can drain away. Pressure inside the skull skyrockets, squeezing the entire brain as if it were caught in a vice. Within seconds that pressure forces the lower part of the brain (the brainstem, the switchboard for breathing, heart rate and consciousness) downward through a fixed bony opening. It's called herniation and it cuts off the brain stem’s own blood supply and short circuits its life support, the victim stops breathing and the heart soon follows.

 

[Therefir]

Makima smoking that cigar like a badass when she is going to choke 02 seconds later.
Can Link keep going after brain hemorrhage?

Drink super healing potions, resurrecting himself with fairies, using armors that transform damage against him into rupees, etc.

 

[GunshyFever]

Worse, bio point just explodes you inside out. Do with that as yall will though, I gotta finish stranger things before Teusday.

It's been months why is that still there

Was planning to remove it with the speed CRT, but with the speed at which everything is moving, I might make a mini CRT if reminded.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Drink super healing potions, resurrecting himself with fairies, using armors that transform damage against him into rupees, etc.

Link definitely won’t be able to drink anything, Makima’s bio stare doesn’t really leave a window for that, as outlined above.
(Have these potions even been shown to heal brain injuries?)

For some reason, Mystic Armor is listed as invulnerability, which already screws it over cause Makima’s bio hax is, well, hax. But even if it gets corrected to Damage Transferal, I don’t think it’s ever been shown to work on something like Link just outright imploding from the inside.

The fairy resurrection is really the only thing that might help, but even then I don’t think it's ever brought Link back from something this severe either.

 

[Machmatej]

Do with that as yall will though, I gotta finish stranger things before Teusday.

which season are you on?

 

[Hypertornado099]

Drink super healing potions, resurrecting himself with fairies, using armors that transform damage against him into rupees, etc.

Do we even have evidence he can heal from brain hemorrhages?

 

[Hypertornado099]

Makima's win con is a basic ability of hers she tends to use, while some of Link's involve optional equipment that we can't prove he'll use here. Why would Link put on the mystic armour and whip out the Gloom Spear before Makima blows his head up?

Voting Makima

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Makima Bio Hax FRA

 

[Thunderman101]

switching vote to makima, is this not a stomp though?

 

[Hypertornado099]

switching vote to makima, is this not a stomp though?

It might be?

 

[GunshyFever]

which season are you on?

I just finished the episode 4 finalie last night, it was alright.

 

[Kellex]

switching vote to makima, is this not a stomp though?

Makima Bio Hax FRA

Makima's win con is a basic ability of hers she tends to use, while some of Link's involve optional equipment that we can't prove he'll use here. Why would Link put on the mystic armour and whip out the Gloom Spear before Makima blows his head up?

Voting Makima

When Link is focused his speed becomes 20 times faster, but we aren't ready for that discussion yet.

Anyways, Link's Gloom Spear can reap souls on contact, and since Makima doesn't have soul resistance, she's basically done for the moment Link impales her with it.

So I'm voting for Link.

All votes counted.

If this feels like a stomp, then is there a way I can make it more fair?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

All votes counted.

If this feels like a stomp, then is there a way I can make it more fair?

Changing Link to 5-A ganondorf fr fr

 

[Chariot190]

Chat, ignoring a few blatant problems here.

Makima has to kill Link multiple times, there is no one-and-done scenario here thanks to fairies. And those mfs can heal anything from mutilation, poison, and even straight up death hax. She's never killing him twice, Link is going to body her with about a 100 different ways to instant gib here regardless of her own revives the second she's shown to be a malicious asshole that can hax.

Also Gloom really should have biohax but that's besides the point.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

She's never killing him twice, Link is going to body her with about a 100 different ways to instant gib here regardless of her own revives the second she's shown to be a malicious asshole that can hax.

Elaborate? All Makima has to do to kill him again is just like, starring at him, again?
And as far as I know, Link has no though-based insta-kills or anything along those lines, he needs to actually touch Makima with 1 very specific spear.

Also like, if Makima realizes she can't kill him, she's just going to BFR him to Hell, and he can't really do much after that.

 

[Thunderman101]

Elaborate? All Makima has to do to kill him again is just like, starring at him, again?
And as far as I know, Link has no though-based insta-kills or anything along those lines, he needs to actually touch Makima with 1 very specific spear.

Also like, if Makima realizes she can't kill him, she's just going to BFR him to Hell, and he can't really do much after that.

dosent bfr to hell require prep

 

[Hypertornado099]

Chat, ignoring a few blatant problems here.

Makima has to kill Link multiple times, there is no one-and-done scenario here thanks to fairies. And those mfs can heal anything from mutilation, poison, and even straight up death hax. She's never killing him twice, Link is going to body her with about a 100 different ways to instant gib here regardless of her own revives the second she's shown to be a malicious asshole that can hax.

Also Gloom really should have biohax but that's besides the point.

I don't think Link could heal from this

 

[Zabazab]

Holy Makima stomp

dosent bfr to hell require prep

Yeah she has to say a full ten words first

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

dosent bfr to hell require prep

Nah, she just needs to sacrifice a few of her minions and Link gets sent to Hell.
(Her minions are standard equipment btw)

 

[Chariot190]

Elaborate? All Makima has to do to kill him again is like, just starring at him, again?
And as far as I know, Link has no though-based insta-kills or anything along those lines, he needs to actually touch Makima with 1 very specific spear.

Also like, if Makima realizes she can't kill him, she's just going to BFR him to Hell, and he can't really do much after that.

Link has a speed amp that's thought based that can statue people as quick as him, shit even works on teleporters like Wizzrobe's or Phantoms so it's not just outpacing them physically.
He doesnt need a thought based win con when he gets hit once then suddenly Makima gets haxed to oblivion before she can think because Link revived and blitzed her.

Also nah Link has numerous methods to bullshit, ancient tech is well past her ability to revive and borders on EE and he can deliver those in no less than 5 ways, he has that aforementioned soul slop (which should also include gloom hax on it but thats besides the point 2), but he has also absurd freeze manip to just outright incap her (shit might even be abstract), mindhax of his own with muddle buds, things like a functionally dead Majora's Mask which is liable to make it so she becomes unhostile, light dragon scales, honestly I'd have to scroll through everything but he has options here past stab.

ALSO
Bfr dont work.
Link has multidimensional teleportation via Purah Pad, I can open game and post a clip if ya want.

 

[Hypertornado099]

(Her minions are standard equipment btw)

Are people considered objects on VSBW

 

[Chariot190]

I don't think Link could heal from this

I do given that's the AP type, not bio hax and he holds that advantage.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Link has multidimensional teleportation via Purah Pad, I can open game and post a clip if ya want

He won't be able to teleport to Tokyo, the place the fight takes place in

 

[Chariot190]

He won't be able to teleport to Tokyo, the place the fight takes place in

Tsk tsk you forget Link has 3 designated teleport options.
He has 3 sigils that allow him to teleport to any destination of his choosing should he set the marker, and again, across dimensions, literally tested that myself ages ago I can drop a clip of it, so no, BFR straight up ain't working when worse case, he focuses and sets a marker down at blitz speed as he's about to get cinched.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Tsk tsk you forget Link has 3 designated teleport options.
He has 3 sigils that allow him to teleport to any destination of his choosing should he set the marker, and again, across dimensions, literally tested that myself ages ago I can drop a clip of it, so no, BFR straight up ain't working when worse case, he focuses and sets a marker down at blitz speed as he's about to get cinched.

Why would he do that though? Like how would he know he would need to use it in this matchup

 

[Chariot190]

Why would he do that though? Like how would he know he would need to use it in this matchup

Why wouldn't he? If he's in Tokyo (a new place) without a way to get back there, he's liable to do it just because he likes to explore shit, he's even encouraged to behave that way by Rob.
But no, read what I said there, if she summons the Hell Devil, he can instantly place a marker at blitz lv speeds because him focusing is an effective statue lv blitz, as in before it can actually take him. He's going to statue it, and the shit that looks like a Zelda enemy that literally sucks people into portals and darkness to BFR them might be a red flag, just saying.

 

[Chariot190]

Why would he do that though? Like how would he know he would need to use it in this matchup

As a fyi, why would Makima get the chance to even summon it? At best she's getting one attack in before getting blitzed when Link himself revives and probably not even soulhax, but ancient tech's her ass.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Link has a speed amp that's thought based that can statue people as quick as him, shit even works on teleporters like Wizzrobe's or Phantoms so it's not just outpacing them physically.
He doesnt need a thought based win con when he gets hit once then suddenly Makima gets haxed to oblivion before she can think because Link revived and blitzed her.

Also nah Link has numerous methods to bullshit, ancient tech is well past her ability to revive and borders on EE and he can deliver those in no less than 5 ways, he has that aforementioned soul slop (which should also include gloom hax on it but thats besides the point 2), but he has also absurd freeze manip to just outright incap her (shit might even be abstract), mindhax of his own with muddle buds, things like a functionally dead Majora's Mask which is liable to make it so she becomes unhostile, light dragon scales, honestly I'd have to scroll through everything but he has options here past stab.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he only use that speed boost after a dodge or while lining up a bow shot? Don't recall him ever like, pulling a Sonic and boosting a 100 meters to an enemy and rushing them (That's the starting distance here). Also it's a x4 speed amp, even if he could use it to just zoom into Makima from the 100 meters, Makima still has more than enough time to again just look at him. Or move her hand.

Also as outlined in her Standard Tactics, girl probably isn't even staying in the battlefield if Link wakes up after the bio stare.
You've been in Makima threads before, you know she likes to dip and let her minions handle it.

Mind hax won't work btw, she resists it.

ALSO
Bfr dont work.
Link has multidimensional teleportation via Purah Pad, I can open game and post a clip if ya want.

First of all.

And second.

Why wouldn't he? If he's in Tokyo (a new place) without a way to get back there, he's liable to do it just because he likes to explore shit, he's even encouraged to behave that way by Rob.
But no, read what I said there, if she summons the Hell Devil, he can instantly place a marker at blitz lv speeds because him focusing is an effective statue lv blitz, as in before it can actually take him. He's going to statue it, and the shit that looks like a Zelda enemy that literally sucks people into portals and darkness to BFR them might be a red flag, just saying.

I know it's been argued in the past that Hell Devil doesn't require physical contact to remove opponents from the battlefield, but also it's important to note that Hell Devil isn't Makima, and the lad he transported to Hell was Pochita, who's around x10 Makima's speed.