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Light feat standards: Reflection
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Do we really need to be stricter about Light Speed? I mean at this point nobody's gonna be Light Speed...
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This is terrible, inapplicable logic on a website which indexes fiction.
The proposal is on the classification of light, not on Light Speed itself.
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Its more so just to clarify on reflection and how vsb treats it. i got like different answers on it. A clarification would be nice. As for strictness, explosions seemed to have been removed on requirements. I personally think the requirements arent that strict
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I'll be making that soon myself, as I already know a few other verses that can be put into question about it.
Just to make this little distinction.
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I agree with this crt and Following
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Firstly, this isn't really relevant to the specific feat. The feat is blocking some beam, which is argued to be light by others. Light travels at the speed of itself. Secondly, we already do account for that not being physically possible. We don't do FTL KE calcs and shit, since it's just assumed that they aren't going to be following the rules of physics.
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I agree. Story writers are generally simple thinkers. I called it light and I made it reflect. It is enough for this writer. I don't think that any writer physically cares where the light is reflected. just as they ignore and show the physical consequences of exceeding the speed of light
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I think the issue with is that just disregards physics a bit too much
light speed is some thing special. Photons keep a constant speed and their are so many factors to why its that speed. Just going "its called light" for example opens the door to so much in fiction getting that speed slapped on, without further analysis
light speed is some thing special. Photons keep a constant speed and their are so many factors to why its that speed. Just going "its called light" for example opens the door to so much in fiction getting that speed slapped on, without further analysis
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The problem with this argument is that it's inconsistent with our general site policy of eschewing the intent of authors in favor of what they've actually written in. The flash saves a city feat is a well known example, where narration calls a feat sub rel that's actually mftl+.
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If we call an attack the speed of light, because it is the author's thought, we determine its speed according to the expressions in the story to show that the author's thought is the speed of light. I think the author's intention is the most important factor.
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Yeah but that is not the argument. calling something light and saying its exactly light speed has a difference.
Take one piece for example.
Kizaru's light doesnt really behave like light, but is stated to be light speed
Take one piece for example.
Kizaru's light doesnt really behave like light, but is stated to be light speed
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A thing being stated to be the speed of light isn't really the same thing. The issue with the author intent thing that I am bringing up is that it is inconsistent with the entire rest of the website. You'd have to argue why light speed standards should be an exception to everything else.
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Just to throw another small crumb in, another reason why "beam of light!" claims should not =/= being MADE out of light is because light beams are not even generally made out of light.
Light can be produced and generated by tons of different energy sources and things that glow, shine, etc. but are not actual natural light. Saying a beam is made out of light for that reason is as big as me saying its made out of lightning, fire, spirit energy, whatever the case is.
Beam of light claims in my opinion should be dropped.
Light can be produced and generated by tons of different energy sources and things that glow, shine, etc. but are not actual natural light. Saying a beam is made out of light for that reason is as big as me saying its made out of lightning, fire, spirit energy, whatever the case is.
Beam of light claims in my opinion should be dropped.
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I'm not saying that just saying light is enough. If the author says that there is light and wrote the rule of reflection, which is one of the most obvious indications that there is light, I think there is no need to go into further detail because the light is reflecting straight away I think that any author did not do more to show that something is light.
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in regards to what kukui said, there is actually an open crt for that topic it seems:
(1) Light/Laser Feat Fourth Requirement. Key Word, "Made" | VS Battles Wiki Forum
(1) Light/Laser Feat Fourth Requirement. Key Word, "Made" | VS Battles Wiki Forum
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It's a staff thread though, so you gotta ask staff for permission to post in there (I put that in the OP so regular members like us can put in input)
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Non-staff can comment on staff threads as long as they're on topic and not disruptive, according to what AKM told me.
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Eh, this doesn't work so well. That emitted light is still going to be traveling at the speed of light. Just because it's coming from me setting a fire doesn't mean the light is suddenly moving slower.
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It would if the light wasn't real natural light to begin with. That was what my point was gunning for.
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If it's coming from a realistic source like that, there's no reason for it not to be real natural light, no?
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That isn't actually how that works irl. The source of light doesn't determine its speed, the only thing you can really do to slow it down is make it move through a material instead of a vacuum. Light moves slightly slower in air than the SOL value, slower still in water, etc. Instead, the argument against "beam of light" sort of stuff is just that we don't consider that on its own a high enough standard of proof to get such a fast speed and that it's often contradicted with unrealistic properties.
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Just a nerdy correction, light moves at the same speed no matter what, it just moves apparently slower through a medium due to internal refraction, aka the path is longer.
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Could we ping more calc team members to give input
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In the right conditions, within a Bose-Einstein condensate, it can get down to 1 mile/hr to virtually stopped entirely.
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I don't think we need to make the reflection thing more strict. I mean, I understand that the OP is correct, but you can't expect authors to go into this much detail while making something reflect off something else. The standards need to be realistic.
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I understand that, but wouldnt it be better at the very minimum how the site defines reflection on the feats page?
As for the author point, I agree not every author has this in mind. But reflection is still a pre requisite set by this site. i think it should explored, as to better prove light as being viable in different fictional verses
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*Practically 1 mile/hr. Each individual photon always moves at c, but in dense mediums it bounces around on the molecules, you can think of it like a dense material being a complicated maze that the light has to navigate through, while a vacuum is like a straight road.
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Bump
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Sounds like a good idea
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Would you be willing to help out here please?
Would you be willing to help out here please?
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Light should reflect in a realistic fashion to qualify, proving realism is the entire point.
However, one should apply that within reason. Let's remember that artists usually aren't physicists calculating out lightbeams.
As for the OP, I think one doesn't have to put quite that detailed of an explanation on the page. I suppose one could mention defusion as a separate thing from reflection, though.
However, one should apply that within reason. Let's remember that artists usually aren't physicists calculating out lightbeams.
As for the OP, I think one doesn't have to put quite that detailed of an explanation on the page. I suppose one could mention defusion as a separate thing from reflection, though.
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i can agree with this
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As usual, DT makes sense.
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I made a change regarding diffusion.
From my side that would be all that needed changing and the thread can be closed, if nobody else wishes to add something.
From my side that would be all that needed changing and the thread can be closed, if nobody else wishes to add something.
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