Light Disco Ball vs Dark Disco Ball

[PrettyFearMachine]

I'm not sorry...
2-A UKG is used, obviously.

Light - 0

Dark - 0

Inconclusive - 2

 

[RKGenki]

Reb plz

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

What, you don't like the party?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

why tho

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Seriously though, not sure why this is... necessary

Since you know... Kagutsuchi is literally infinitely above Gretchen

So he can just

slap her

EDIT: Just remembered she has Mid-Godly Regenerationn that can bring her back against Nonexistence Erasure. Still an inconclusive, I guess

 

[Schnee_One]

Kagutsuchi Stomps till the end of time.

Inconclusive

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Don't all SMT have High-Godly now?

 

[Schnee_One]

Yeah why?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Erase this abomination from non-existence!

 

[Schnee_One]

I love how UKG gets an inconclusive against fodder yet Homura vs Dante wasn't removed.

Anyway bump

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I'm 99.9% certain that "Hax null via AP" applies to him as well, but hey, what do I know?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Bump to summon UMR to hakai this thread

 

[RKGenki]

Bump to summon UMR to hakai this thread

You know no one wants to debate right?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Yes, which is why I summon him

 

[RKGenki]

Good. I could actually make some arguments for UKG but I won't.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Muda-da, Genki-kun! Temee wa muda desu!

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh please

I'd love to hear them.

 

[RKGenki]

I'll just post this quote from Matt:

"The Hax negating generally either comes from people like YHVH, or really high-end beings being completely unnaffected by the powers of any lesser god or demon, rendering them worthless before their sheer might."

Also just noticed my reply on that thread was never posted (blame slow internet connection for this), but aside from the characters using observation it seems more like they resist those powers rather than null.

 

[Schnee_One]

Kagutsuchi is really low so yeah, inconclusive

 

[RKGenki]

The point is that if he doesn't null UKG can hax him to incap as he's still 4-D, and if he does this is actually pointless as she would get as much of an inconclusive against him as she would against stronger demons.

She also has 2 degrees of power null resistance

Still, we should wait for the changes to be implemented first.

 

[Schnee_One]

<As he's still 4D

?

 

[CursedGentleman]

Kagutsuchi is really low so yeah, inconclusive

Kagatuschi Speed: Omnipresent

???

 

[Schnee_One]

I wasn't talking about speed

Like.

At all

 

[RKGenki]

<As he's still 4D
?

I meant that he's still on the same dimensional level, so her non ap based powers should still work if he doesn't null.

 

[CursedGentleman]

Arent all demons getting Regenerationn high godly tho?

I am pretty sure that there is a content revision about it somewhere

 

[RKGenki]

Yes.

Doesn't mean he can't be incap'd.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I always thought this "AP-based Power Null" seemed more like some stupidly good resistance to hax that allowed them to Lolnope most stuff, rather than being outright Power Null. It still applies to Kagutsuchi though, "YHVH and other really high-end beings" are just examples, there are more examples of this from people weaker than Kagutsuchi (the Demi-Fiend lol-noping the Moirae's Fate Manipulation is one of them)

Although, Kagutsuchi likely isn't getting High-Godly

 

[RKGenki]

I tought the Demi-Fiend was stronger than Kagu? Anyway it also seems resistance to me more than null. Is there any scans that outright says it's power null?

 

[CursedGentleman]

@RKGenki

Well, on the game, it was needed a party of four to defeat him, so there is that, but it had been some time since I last played Nocturne

 

[Ultima_Reality]

That was like, Mid-Game Demi-Fiend, which wasn't on Kagutsuchi's level yet

I mean, it doesn't have specific scans, it just screams Resistance everywhere. There are quite a few examples of SMT Demons and even Humans doing stuff to weaker beings and leaving them powerless to do anything. Such as YHVH stomping Lucifer and instantly sending him to hell in Megami Tensei II, or the Protagonists just punching everything that goes in their way

 

[RKGenki]

Huh. I feel like this needs to be discussed on the revision thread. Sadly I can't help much as I have basically zero knowledge on SMT.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes.

Doesn't mean he can't be incap'd.

Lolno

 

[RKGenki]

Thinking about it, it looks similar to how in dragon ball Higher ki means resistance to powers from weaker characters (or something similar, don't really follow DB), and here it's treated as resistance to what they have shown to resist (as it should be). From my ignorance I don't see a clear difference between the two if it's not stated to be power null.

 

[RKGenki]

Lolno

Uhm... since when regen means resistance to incapacitation via other means?

 

[Schnee_One]

Never

Hence why I literally never said it whatsoever within this thread.

I just find the idea kinda funny.

 

[RKGenki]

Oh, sorry. It seemed so from that reply.

 

[Schnee_One]

How?

Did I mention regen?

 

[RKGenki]

He asked about regen, and I said he can still be incap'd. The "Lolno" seemed like it was going against this.

Anyway, it's just a little misunderstanding

 

[Schnee_One]

Even then, that's still wrong

Regenerationn in a basic form can help you recover from Brain Trauma which already laughs at basic KO

Certain forms of Regenerationn such as High or Mid Godly allow you to shrug off certain Hax that force you to not exist causing an incap from that way

So even with that misunderstanding in mind it still has quite a few holes.

 

[RKGenki]

I didn't specify the means of incapacitation, obviously if you can regen from brain trauma you can't be ko'd in a conventional way. That's why I said "via other means" when replying to you.

And actually if I put a law that says that you can't exist somewhere, your regen doesn't matter as long as you stay in there, because you'll be erased every time you regen.

Non-damaging ways such as power null or sealing still work anyway