Lifting strength has a bit of a problem

[Andytrenom]

In the Lifting Strength page it says that Peak Human ranges from 227 to 454 kg

The rating after that is superhuman and the one after that is Class 1 and here's the strange thing, Class 1 begins from 454 kg which is the upper limit of Peak human implying that peak human and Class 1 should be next to each other in the list

Despite that there's an intermediate rating of Superhuman between these two which simply describes itself as being any unknown value above Peak Human...except as we've just seen, a value above peak human would at least be class 1. What is the purpose of this rating exactly? Is it supposed to imply that the character's lifting strength could be even above class 1 but it isn't certain? If so then "Unknown" would be more appropriate for such a situation. Anyway is there anything I'm missing or is this just as odd to everyone else as it is to me?

 

[Rocker1189]

I literally just read this lol. And was very confused.

 

[Dvorak1902]

I always supposed it was for characters explicitly stated to have superhuman strength, in lieu of calcable feats.

 

[Antoniofer]

I most guess its an Unknown rating but with the exception that the character has Striking Strength levels superior to human's. Although I see it a little useless even with that description.

 

[Andytrenom]

Even unknown characters typically have some minimum level of strength which we know they're above, so superhuman still seems pointless to me as a rating if the logic behind is "they are at least confirmed to be above peak human"

 

[Wokistan]

I find it a little weird how IRL peak humans are actually class 5.

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, according to our reference for baseline 9-B rating, one particular human can hit with a strength of 1048 kgf, but that depends of what people refer to that level when the rating were made.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Wok That's cause hoomans are stronk

 

[Andytrenom]

Bump

 

[Andytrenom]

I'm highlighting this, forgive me if that wasn't needed

 

[Damage3245]

I always took SuperHuman lifting strength to mean 'an unknown value but definitely stronger than any human is capable of'.

It's not really useful though other than getting rid of an Unknow value on a lot of profiles.

 

[Anttron224]

Isn't it for any level above peak human that isn't specified or known? Makes sense to me.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Anttron yeah but as already said, "Unknown" already takes care of that

 

[Anttron224]

@Damage3245 and @Andytrenom Unknown and Superhuman aren't equatable though. Unknown is unquantifiable, so they could lift planets or struggle to lift a chair and we wouldn't know, whereas Superhuman is useful because we know that they can lift more than Peak Humans, but to an unknown extent

 

[Damage3245]

Wouldn't that be the same as writing 'At least '''Peak Human'''' on their profiles?

 

[Anttron224]

That wouldn't exactly be accurate for someone far above Peak Human levels though

 

[Anttron224]

It's also much cleaner looking and easier to understand at a glance than "At least Peak Human, possibly Class 1", or any other equivalent statement

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Superhuman is a fancy way of saying "Unknown". Doesn't need revising as far as I know but there you go.

not sure why this was highlighted

 

[Antvasima]

It is just a quick way of saying "an unknown degree of above peak human lifting strength". It is a bit unnecessary, but does not do any harm, and it would require unspecified searching through thousands of pages in order to remove, so I do not think that a revision is required.

 

[Crabwhale]

Superhuman for Ant's reasons above

 

[Andytrenom]

@Bambu Cause it would suggest mass revisions and because I was feeling ignored

@Ant I guess I can understand. Tho the task could be made easier if you used a script that selects "[ [ Lifting Strength ] ]: Superhuman" and gradually remove the instances unaffected due to being a different key.

Just a suggestion tho

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies, but I do not think that it seems worth the trouble.

 

[Andytrenom]

It's also much cleaner looking and easier to understand at a glance than "At least Peak Human, possibly Class 1", or any other equivalent statement

You would not use Superhuman for a situation like this tho. Superhuman says it is for characters who are above Peak Human and above Peak Human is class 1 at minimum

 

[Anttron224]

I was just expanding upon the provided example

 

[Antvasima]

If you can provide a reasonable estimation for the strength level, you should obviously write that instead.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Superhuman is just a secondary Unknow lifting strength state, but with emphases that it's Class 1 and above. Superhuman is usually what I have to characters who can move large blocks, but haven't had a proper calc. Since you don't quite lift the entire weight of the object unless you move it with enough acceleration.

I'm neutral on what we should do for the Superhuman lifting strength as a stat, but I think it's preferable to keep it. To be fair, Superhuman is just a 2nd Unknown stat, but it is more popular than unknown given the numerous characters that are blatantly above Class 1.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Medeus. It doesn't seem worth the massive effort to get rid of the rating for no gain.

 

[Andytrenom]

Guess our guys are right. Btw should I remove this from the highlight thread? I was uncertain if it needed one to begin with

 

[Antvasima]

No, it can stay, but we should probably close this thread.

 

[Anttron224]

That makes sense

 

[Andytrenom]

I don't really want to close it this early. Even if I am not pushing for a change I would still like to hear some opinions on this

 

[Anttron224]

That makes sense as well

 

[Damage3245]

Maybe update that bit of the Lifting Strength page to say something like this?:

> Superhuman: ? (Any level of strength clearly above peak human that does not have a known value. Effort should be made to calculate the Lifting Strength based on feats, but until then this is a placeholder.)

 

[Andytrenom]

Yeah, expanding on the rating's description should be an okay compromise

 

[Anttron224]

Try and make it less verbose.

 

[Anttron224]

How's this?

Superhuman: ? (Any level clearly above peak human that does not have an exact value. Effort should be made to calculate the true value based on feats, but until then this is a placeholder)

 

[Andytrenom]

I think this is concise enough

 

[Anttron224]

Or this (Just sounds more professional)

Superhuman: ? (Any level clearly above peak human that does not have an exact value. Effort should be made to calculate the true value based on feats, but until then this is a substitute)

 

[Andytrenom]

How's this?

Superhuman: ? (Any level clearly above peak human that does not have an exact value. Effort should be made to calculate the true value based on feats, but until then this is a placeholder)

Actually yeah, this sounds better

 

[Anttron224]

Alright cool