Life is Strange Cosmology 👴

[Hixkaryana]

Bumping for recognition

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

First you should just ask a stafff member to either close this or turn this into a general discussion because the OP and everything changed completely, and it just isn't a thread like it should be at this point.
Second you should open a new thread now talking about the right arguments (that is after fixing the Blog)

But about the blog you made there is a lot of stuff wrong.
Etase all that part about Max time travel erasing timelines, no one would agree to that and it's also irrelevant for a cosmology blog. You also are giving way to much context that is completely useless, you don't need to explain the verse only the cosmology. You have a lot of stuff about Max's powers that are completely irrelevant to the cosmology like this.

At the end of Chapter 1, Max discovers she can hear, sense and visualize the events happening in another timeline.

Don't mix a cosmology blog with a power addition thread, that's another part that you should add to the op thread.
The blog should be straigh to the point, show statements about being a multiverse explaining it's size and why it is that size, about what is the storm and it's impact on the cosmology.

Also Safi ain't equal to Max her powers are clearly not like Max's and as far as we know it's not Safi who made the storm happen but Max's indecision regarding what to do with Safi.

To note things regarding the storm you should talk about the first game "Max's nightmare" in chapter 5 which is just like what happened in double exposure last chapter, the storm should be a construct that is made with timeline branches and not exclusive to only 2 since everytime Max branched the timeline in the first game with time travel it would add up to the storm.

 

[Hixkaryana]

But about the blog you made there is a lot of stuff wrong.
Etase all that part about Max time travel erasing timelines, no one would agree to that and it's also irrelevant for a cosmology blog. You also are giving way to much context that is completely useless, you don't need to explain the verse only the cosmology. You have a lot of stuff about Max's powers that are completely irrelevant to the cosmology like this.

To seize what I mean it's imperative that I give context in this case, if I just threw out "Max can create alternate timelines" without proving why then this wouldn't make any sense, there is only one statement where Max admits to a multiverse existing with at least 2 to 3 separate timelines, and that's merely not enough without any background context. The thing about Max being able to see in other timelines was also purely for context, to introduce the presence of parallel timelines, not an ability addition.

The blog should be straigh to the point, show statements about being a multiverse explaining it's size and why it is that size, about what is the storm and it's impact on the cosmology.

I was already working on a specific part where I would explain the Storm's structure and integrity, it just hasn't come to life yet and frankly it'd be redundant because I'd just repeat the same things.

Also Safi ain't equal to Max her powers are clearly not like Max's and as far as we know it's not Safi who made the storm happen but Max's indecision regarding what to do with Safi.

That's just blatantly false, Safi's powers triggered the storm before Max even changed the course of the "Dead" timeline by not killing Safi. It seems to me that the Storm is just a manifestation of the multiverse rejecting people who possess powers and thus can alter reality.

To note things regarding the storm you should talk about the first game "Max's nightmare" in chapter 5 which is just like what happened in double exposure last chapter, the storm should be a construct that is made with timeline branches and not exclusive to only 2 since everytime Max branched the timeline in the first game with time travel it would add up to the storm.

Max's nightmare in the original game was literally a nightmare, in Double Exposure it was very much real, so no it would be irrelevant to talk about that sequence in the first game as it was just in Max's head. In Double Exposure it highlights how the Storm's structure is very frail and makes no sense in terms of time nor space.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

To seize what I mean it's imperative that I give context in this case, if I just threw out "Max can create alternate timelines" without proving why then this wouldn't make any sense, there is only one statement where Max admits to a multiverse existing with at least 2 to 3 separate timelines, and that's merely not enough without any background context. The thing about Max being able to see in other timelines was also purely for context, to introduce the presence of parallel timelines, not an ability addition.

Max doesn't create timelines, time travelling making the timelines split is just mechanics of how multiverse works, and the explanation about the branches shows when you explain the storm

I was already working on a specific part where I would explain the Storm's structure and integrity, it just hasn't come to life yet and frankly it'd be redundant because I'd just repeat the same things.

Why didn't you show a clip of Max travelling between the 2 dimensions inside the storm? That is concrete evidence that there are at least 2 universes inside the storm

That's just blatantly false, Safi's powers triggered the storm before Max even changed the course of the "Dead" timeline by not killing Safi. It seems to me that the Storm is just a manifestation of the multiverse rejecting people who possess powers and thus can alter reality.

Nah, the reason the storm existed was because it started the moment in the past where Max does or not kill Safi, Max not living through it yet doesn't change the fact that moment already happened in the past of both timelines which created the storm in the future and then followed Max into the past. The storm doesn't show up in Life is strange 2 or 3 when both have people with powers, it is as always been only when time is affected by Max.

Max's nightmare in the original game was literally a nightmare, in Double Exposure it was very much real, so no it would be irrelevant to talk about that sequence in the first game as it was just in Max's head. In Double Exposure it highlights how the Storm's structure is very frail and makes no sense in terms of time nor space.

Except this game confirms it to be real, when she refers to that here, either it was a dream or not it was always unclear but that statement the fact that what happened in double exposure it's exacly like what happened in that "nightmare" proves it was something actually real.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Max doesn't create timelines, time travelling making the timelines split is just mechanics of how multiverse works, and the explanation about the branches shows when you explain the storm

That's literally how Max creates them, her powers are all based on causality. Max's actions are actively creating new long-lasting STC'S by changing the course of events in her past. The timelines only exist because of her choices, they’re not some inevitable consequence of life or time, they’re the direct result of her actions.

Why didn't you show a clip of Max travelling between the 2 dimensions inside the storm? That is concrete evidence that there are at least 2 universes inside the storm

I'll add it.

Nah, the reason the storm existed was because it started the moment in the past where Max does or not kill Safi, Max not living through it yet doesn't change the fact that moment already happened in the past of both timelines which created the storm in the future and then followed Max into the past. The storm doesn't show up in Life is strange 2 or 3 when both have people with powers, it is as always been only when time is affected by Max.

Then how would you explain that the only way they managed to stop the Storm in both timelines and merge them was by removing every piece of Safiya that was split? The fact that the Storm disappeared and the timelines merged once Safiya’s influence was fully removed directly proves that her powers were a factor in the instability, alongside Max’s time manipulation. (Also not to mention Alex and Daniel are decades away from Safi in power, and that even Max acknowledged Safi as the source of the Storm-> reason why she killed her originally)

Except this game confirms it to be real, when she refers to that here, either it was a dream or not it was always unclear but that statement the fact that what happened in double exposure it's exacly like what happened in that "nightmare" proves it was something actually real.

That's proven to be wrong because when her nightmare's over in LIS1, she wakes up in Chloe's arms and she clearly says Max passed out for several hours. In DE it was real because Max never lost consciousness.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That's literally how Max creates them, her powers are all based on causality. Max's actions are actively creating new long-lasting STC'S by changing the course of events in her past. The timelines only exist because of her choices, they’re not some inevitable consequence of life or time, they’re the direct result of her actions.

She doesn't create them it's how multiverse theories work, this wiki doesn't grant characters 2-C just because their decisions cause the timeline to branch.Also she is not creating or destroying them that's literally contradicted by the fact the storm exists if she destroyed the timelines then there wouldn't be timelines collapsing on each other.

Then how would you explain that the only way they managed to stop the Storm in both timelines and merge them was by removing every piece of Safiya that was split? The fact that the Storm disappeared and the timelines merged once Safiya’s influence was fully removed directly proves that her powers were a factor in the instability, alongside Max’s time manipulation.

The storm stops because Max makes a choice, by merging all the parts of Safi she saved her from her instability which was the reason Max would have killed her in the first place.

That's proven to be wrong because when her nightmare's over in LIS1, she wakes up in Chloe's arms and she clearly says Max passed out for several hours. In DE it was real because Max never lost consciousness.

Max Time travelling doesn't mean her body disappears only her mind is trasmitted to her younger self, the real body passed out because of exhaustion while her conscious was inside the storm in one of the Maxs that exist in the timelines inside the storm. And as I said and like she says in the game it was real, and it doesn't really matter if double exposure retconed it, it's very clear the situation is the same

 

[Hixkaryana]

She doesn't create them it's how multiverse theories work, this wiki doesn't grant characters 2-C just because their decisions cause the timeline to branch.Also she is not creating or destroying them that's literally contradicted by the fact the storm exists if she destroyed the timelines then there wouldn't be timelines collapsing on each other.

I never said she had any power to destroy the timelines? I said she had enough causal influence to trigger their appearances, and you're literally contradicting yourself, yes if she destroyed them then they wouldn't collapse on each other, but if she didn't create them they wouldn't as well?

The storm stops because Max makes a choice, by merging all the parts of Safi she saved her from her instability which was the reason Max would have killed her in the first place.

So you're literally agreeing with the fact that her instability caused the storm? Resolving her instability=resolving the storm.

Max Time travelling doesn't mean her body disappears only her mind is trasmitted to her younger self, the real body passed out because of exhaustion while her conscious was inside the storm in one of the Maxs that exist in the timelines inside the storm. And as I said and like she says in the game it was real, and it doesn't really matter if double exposure retconed it, it's very clear the situation is the same

The situations do seem similar but how they were achieved, not at all. I can mention it in the blog if you really want to.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I never said she had any power to destroy the timelines? I said she had enough causal influence to trigger their appearances, and you're literally contradicting yourself, yes if she destroyed them then they wouldn't collapse on each other, but if she didn't create them they wouldn't as well?

Your blog constantly talks about Max "erasing timelines". She doesn't create them, the timelines are split because that's how the multiverse works, the fact that she can "influence" their creation it's the same as any multiverse theory about people making decisions that create other timelines, her being the only one doesn't change the fact that she is not creating timelines they are creating themselves.

So you're literally agreeing with the fact that her instability caused the storm? Resolving her instability=resolving the storm.

I'm not saying her instability caused the storm, I'm saying that her being unstable is what lead to Max having to make a decision about killing her to save people. Max has to make a decision either kill the unstable Safi or save her somehow that's her 2 options and that's what causes the 2 timelines.

The situations do seem similar but how they were achieved, not at all. I can mention it in the blog if you really want to.

The part that matters is the storm itself which is always the same, the way she got inside the storm doesn't really matter, just that she was there.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Your blog constantly talks about Max "erasing timelines". She doesn't create them, the timelines are split because that's how the multiverse works, the fact that she can "influence" their creation it's the same as any multiverse theory about people making decisions that create other timelines, her being the only one doesn't change the fact that she is not creating timelines they are creating themselves.

What?! I've only used the word erase once, and on the same line I said "It isn't truly erased, Max simply created another timeline." Saying the timelines "create themselves" makes no sense because they are a direct consequence of her interference. Max isn’t passively observing some inevitable multiverse mechanics? Her actions are the reason those branches form. The multiverse may provide the structure for splits, but Max’s time manipulation is what actively creates them.

I'm not saying her instability caused the storm, I'm saying that her being unstable is what lead to Max having to make a decision about killing her to save people. Max has to make a decision either kill the unstable Safi or save her somehow that's her 2 options and that's what causes the 2 timelines.

And again with the contradictions. If Safiya’s instability is what leads to Max’s decision and the split timelines, then her instability is inherently a contributing factor to the Storm..."killing her to save people" save people from what? The STORM. The two timelines that collide within the Storm are fundamentally shaped by Safiya’s state, one where she is spared and her influence persists, and another where she is killed to prevent further instability. I can quote this site "While the storm appears to be made of two realities, the catalyst is Safi's loss of control over her powers. The storm doesn't seem to have anything to do with changing timelines and says goodbye once its role is over." I can even quote Wikipedia if you wish "Safi's powers spiral out of control, unleashing the storm from Max's vision". Let's use Reddit as well, "Safi's powers were going out of control and causing another storm, so it seemingly was kill her or let the storm destroy everything."

The part that matters is the storm itself which is always the same, the way she got inside the storm doesn't really matter, just that she was there.

I'm fine with that.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What?! I've only used the word erase once, and on the same line I said "It isn't truly erased, Max simply created another timeline." Saying the timelines "create themselves" makes no sense because they are a direct consequence of her interference. Max isn’t passively observing some inevitable multiverse mechanics? Her actions are the reason those branches form. The multiverse may provide the structure for splits, but Max’s time manipulation is what actively creates them.

Timelines creating each other is exacly how it works most of the times. Her interference causes the timeline to split because she changed a decision that she made before. Max doesn't create them at best she caused them to be created by changing her decisions. Do you really think this is the first time something like this came up in this wiki? Marvel cinematic universe has Nexus being who can cause ramifications in the timeline because of their actions do you see a 2-C tier on Scarlet witch? No, that is never accepted.

And again with the contradictions. If Safiya’s instability is what leads to Max’s decision and the split timelines, then her instability is inherently a contributing factor to the Storm..."killing her to save people" save people from what? The STORM. The two timelines that collide within the Storm are fundamentally shaped by Safiya’s state, one where she is spared and her influence persists, and another where she is killed to prevent further instability. I can quote this site "While the storm appears to be made of two realities, the catalyst is Safi's loss of control over her powers. The storm doesn't seem to have anything to do with changing timelines and says goodbye once its role is over." I can even quote Wikipedia if you wish "Safi's powers spiral out of control, unleashing the storm from Max's vision". Let's use Reddit as well, "Safi's powers were going out of control and causing another storm, so it seemingly was kill her or let the storm destroy everything."

Then give Chloe 2-C too because she caused the storm by making Max have to decide either to let her die or save her. I don't know why you quoting websites that have nothing to do with official. But I think you just don't really understand what you are saying "Catalyst" is how Safi is described by the fist website do you know what a catalyst is? Catalyst doesn't mean she created the storm only that she caused it which is exacly what I said she did, she caused the storm by making Max have to choose either to kill her or save her, the same way Chloe was the catalyst of the storm in the first game. None of those sentences say she made the storm with her powers say that she somehow "caused" it or made it be "unleashed" the same way if I open the door of my house I can cause/unleash my dog to escape

 

[Hixkaryana]

Timelines creating each other is exacly how it works most of the times. Her interference causes the timeline to split because she changed a decision that she made before. Max doesn't create them at best she caused them to be created by changing her decisions. Do you really think this is the first time something like this came up in this wiki? Marvel cinematic universe has Nexus being who can cause ramifications in the timeline because of their actions do you see a 2-C tier on Scarlet witch? No, that is never accepted.

Fine with the unacceptance by the Wiki's rules, but you were quite frankly making up things that I never said lmao. Max would get 2-C anyways in the games because she merged the two timelines.

Then give Chloe 2-C too because she caused the storm by making Max have to decide either to let her die or save her. I don't know why you quoting websites that have nothing to do with official. But I think you just don't really understand what you are saying "Catalyst" is how Safi is described by the fist website do you know what a catalyst is? Catalyst doesn't mean she created the storm only that she caused it which is exacly what I said she did, she caused the storm by making Max have to choose either to kill her or save her, the same way Chloe was the catalyst of the storm in the first game. None of those sentences say she made the storm with her powers say that she somehow "caused" it or made it be "unleashed" the same way if I open the door of my house I can cause/unleash my dog to escape

I'm quoting websites because the community has established a consensus on the interpretation of the Storm's appearance. Chloe’s death in LIS1 is a catalyst for Max’s rewinds, but she does not have any direct influence over the structure or stability of the multiverse itself. Since you're playing on the terms I quoted then I can quote something else that your dog can't run through "In the end, it's revealed the storm was brought on by the use of powers—but the powers are Safi's, not Max's". Her powers were the direct trigger for the storm's creation. If her instability had no role, the storm wouldn’t have existed before Max made a choice, yet the storm was already present when Max traveled back to the photo where she initially killed Safiya. This contradicts the argument that Max’s decision alone caused the storm.
Overall the issue with DE is that it moves away from time paradoxes triggering storms, which worked in the original, and instead ties it to powers and emotions. While it adds depth to Safi’s struggle, it makes the storm feel inconsistent.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'm quoting websites because the community has established a consensus on the interpretation of the Storm's appearance. Chloe’s death in LIS1 is a catalyst for Max’s rewinds, but she does not have any direct influence over the structure or stability of the multiverse itself. Since you're playing on the terms I quoted then I can quote something else that your dog can't run through "In the end, it's revealed the storm was brought on by the use of powers—but the powers are Safi's, not Max's". Her powers were the direct trigger for the storm's creation. If her instability had no role, the storm wouldn’t have existed before Max made a choice, yet the storm was already present when Max traveled back to the photo where she initially killed Safiya. This contradicts the argument that Max’s decision alone caused the storm.
Overall the issue with DE is that it moves away from time paradoxes triggering storms, which worked in the original, and instead ties it to powers and emotions. While it adds depth to Safi’s struggle, it makes the storm feel inconsistent.

Neither does Safi have any interference in the creation of the storm. Again with bringing non official websites, that one in particular is really horrible of you to use since the entire thing is basically criticizing the entire game. Max saw the vision of the storm before she saved Chloe in the first game, literally the game starts with Max having "a dream" of the storm before waking up on the school. In the "dead timeline" Future Max already went back in time and killed Safi creating the storm but present Max is still living all the events that lead to her becoming Future Max and going back in time to kill Safi. The storm wasn't created before Max made the choice it was made when she made the choice in the past that she had not lived yet but which we know it had already happened or she wouldn't have the photo with her pointing the gun at Safi.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Neither does Safi have any interference in the creation of the storm. Again with bringing non official websites, that one in particular is really horrible of you to use since the entire thing is basically criticizing the entire game. Max saw the vision of the storm before she saved Chloe in the first game, literally the game starts with Max having "a dream" of the storm before waking up on the school. In the "dead timeline" Future Max already went back in time and killed Safi creating the storm but present Max is still living all the events that lead to her becoming Future Max and going back in time to kill Safi. The storm wasn't created before Max made the choice it was made when she made the choice in the past that she had not lived yet but which we know it had already happened or she wouldn't have the photo with her pointing the gun at Safi.

This is literally frying my brain. Can we just pause for a second and see if we agree;

1) Max had to decide whether to kill Safiya or save her. Her choice to kill Safiya was based on the fact that Safiya's powers were unstable and could cause destruction. This instability triggered the Storm, which was the direct consequence of Safiya losing control of her powers.

2) So, the storm appeared because Safiya's powers were out of control. Max's choice only solidified the future of the timeline, but it wasn’t the initial cause of the storm. The storm was already triggered by Safiya's instability, and Max’s decision to kill or save her was the turning point in shaping which timeline would prevail.

2-1) Max chooses to save Safiya, but her powers remain unstable. The storm continues to escalate.

2-2) Max chooses to kill Safiya to prevent the storm from ever happening.

I think you're confused, you think that Future Max killing Safi triggers the Storm, but Future Max killed Safi to prevent the Storm from ever happening.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

This is literally frying my brain. Can we just pause for a second and see if we agree;

1) Max had to decide whether to kill Safiya or save her. Her choice to kill Safiya was based on the fact that Safiya's powers were unstable and could cause destruction. This instability triggered the Storm, which was the direct consequence of Safiya losing control of her powers.

Safi taking control over the people and hurting them is what Max was trying to prevent.

2) So, the storm appeared because Safiya's powers were out of control. Max's choice only solidified the future of the timeline, but it wasn’t the initial cause of the storm. The storm was already triggered by Safiya's instability, and Max’s decision to kill or save her was the turning point in shaping which timeline would prevail.

They appeared because Max hadn't made a decision, it's why the timeline split into one where Safi was dead meaning she never lost control and one where she was alive and about to lose control, the timeline split caused the storm, all similar to the first game where Max saving Chloe created the storm.

2-1) Max chooses to save Safiya, but her powers remain unstable. The storm continues to escalate.

Max choose to save Safi but she only did it when she put all fragments back on her.

2-2) Max chooses to kill Safiya to prevent the storm from ever happening.

To prevent Safi from hurting people my manipulating their minds. The Storm needs Max to make a decision to stop. And the Storm was created before Safi lost control over her powers. Just like happened in the first game the storm started to building up after Max saved saved Chloe in the bathroom and in double exposure it starts when Max doesn't make a decision regarding Safi.

I think you're confused, you think that Future Max killing Safi triggers the Storm, but Future Max killed Safi to prevent the Storm from ever happening.

The storm has and always been related to time manipulation. It makes no sense that Safi's powers would have anything to do with the storm, her powers are mind manipulation not time manipulation.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I think we need a second opinion for Safi’s involvement. I’ll ask to close this thread and open another one simply for Max.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I think we need a second opinion for Safi’s involvement. I’ll ask to close this thread and open another one simply for Max.

Safi doesn't even have a page anyways.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Safi doesn't even have a page anyways.

If she was involved in the Storm’s creation she’d be able to get one.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

If she was involved in the Storm’s creation she’d be able to get one.

She doesn't need to be tier 2 to possibly get a page, her mind manipulation is enough.

 

[Hixkaryana]

She doesn't need to be tier 2 to possibly get a page, her mind manipulation is enough.

Considering we have a page for Jefferson yeah definitely lol