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Alright so a few things. Goku can't really H2H because life hax (I have no idea how it works), but other than that... isn't this a giga stomp????
Can Goku even interact with Gio at all??
Edit: Nevermind.. he can.

This is a stomp lolol.
 
Just cause this debate is the VS Battle equivalent of scooping ones’ eyes’ out with a rusty spoon, idk if I’ll talk here much, but I want to reiterate why I believe the previous debate ended with Goku losing to life manipulation:

All of GER’s creations have an innate ability where they reflect all damage back onto an attacker. This isn’t simply energy reflection, but full damage transferral (since we see Luca cave his own head in when he hit the frog). Because of that, any one of GER’s creations that Goku damages will send all damage back to him, leading to his death. Couple this with a lack of ability to deal with RTZ, GER has a solid chance of making some organism that Goku could attack and die from.

Now, I’m not saying this would happen, but I’m just guesstimating what the conclusion was to inform new people coming to this thread. I do not want to debate this unless people actually want to use it as an argument, and in that case first ask people who directly agree to this as a reason Giorno should win first.
 
Okay, so after reading the profiles I got into a conclusion that Goku has Acausality Type 4 which resists Return to Zero's main ability.

But I don't see him resisting the other abilities contained in Return to Zero, not to mention Stands are basically Multiple Selves Type 2 (Infinite speed for RTZ wouldn't be equalized).

Goku can't deal with RTZ's Power Nullification and Empathic Manipulation, so Giorno takes and RTZ is something that's going to be faster than both characters in the battlefield here.
 
Voidnether said:
Okay, so after reading the profiles I got into a conclusion that Goku has Acausality Type 4 which resists Return to Zero's main ability.

But I don't see him resisting the other abilities contained in Return to Zero, not to mention Stands are basically Multiple Selves Type 2 (Infinite speed for RTZ wouldn't be equalized).

Goku can't deal with RTZ's Power Nullification and Empathic Manipulation, so Giorno takes and RTZ is something that's going to be faster than both characters in the battlefield here.
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I should mention as well that RTZ does work on Type 4 Acausality. It’s primary use case is literally on a character with Type 4 acausality, so just having the power doesn’t prove he’d resist it unless it is super specific against what GER does.
 
Goku is unable to do anything. He gets aged.
There is no fight. It's a stomp.
 
Chritin said:
I should mention as well that RTZ does work on Type 4 Acausality. It’s primary use case is literally on a character with Type 4 acausality, so just having the power doesn’t prove he’d resist it unless it is super specific against what GER does.
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🧐🧐🧐🧐
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Alright so a few things. Goku can't really H2H because life hax (I have no idea how it works), but other than that... isn't this a giga stomp????
Can Goku even interact with Gio at all??
Edit: Nevermind.. he can.

This is a stomp lolol.
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GER has layered intangibility
 
Demifiend said:
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Okay so I might be a bit mistaken on this, but King Crimson is just a level of causality manipulation that puts him in a state of acausality. Like King Crimson even makes him immune to his own precognition, since when he erases time the future he predicts with Epitaph isn’t what comes about. I could be mistaken on this, but that’s how I’ve always interpreted it.

Either way, Goku’s acausality isn’t anything special as far as I can tell. Like it’s a different flow of causality, but nothing where GER couldn’t affect him.
 
Voidnether said:
Okay, so after reading the profiles I got into a conclusion that Goku has Acausality Type 4 which resists Return to Zero's main ability.
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Nah he doesn't, type 4 was dowmgraded a while ago, his Acausality type 4 doesn't cover causality manip, it just allows him to actually alter the timeline instead pf creating alternate ones, he has no protection from causality manip
 
Only created this match-up since I was informed by a DB supporter that Goku's type 4 acausality could be of use, but oh well.
 
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