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I'm going with Monster Mom for the reasons above.
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Let's Smash! ~ Hulk vs. Sugilite
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Might I point out, Jasper's durability is greater than 336.42 teratons, and Garnet alone was able to harm and ultimately defeat her with some difficulty. Sugilite therefore should be immensely stronger than that. How much is the Hulk again?
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Slight above a 392 Terraton feat
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Wait what? Then why is Garnet not High 6-B?
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Wait.....
Yeah why?
Yeah why?
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Where did you get 336.42 teratons from?Gojira1234 said:
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I'm a little confused, now.
Jasper's durability is listed as Country level+ for a calc that resulted in ~10 teratons, but ~10 teratons is Country level with no +.
Garnet's page links to an unevaluated calc on NF where the low end is ~8.5 teratons (which would already be consistent with the ~10 teratons result), with the high end being ~68 teratons, which is the only thing that would make her Country level+.
Sugilite is therefore rated as Large Country level for being well above the combined power of a character who is ~10 teratons and a character who is <10 teratons, which on its own is only enough for "likely Country level+", as the result on its own is still below the + line.
...the hell?
Jasper's durability is listed as Country level+ for a calc that resulted in ~10 teratons, but ~10 teratons is Country level with no +.
Garnet's page links to an unevaluated calc on NF where the low end is ~8.5 teratons (which would already be consistent with the ~10 teratons result), with the high end being ~68 teratons, which is the only thing that would make her Country level+.
Sugilite is therefore rated as Large Country level for being well above the combined power of a character who is ~10 teratons and a character who is <10 teratons, which on its own is only enough for "likely Country level+", as the result on its own is still below the + line.
...the hell?
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I'm assuming the living island thing might have something to do with it. Or something.
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The offscreen monster we never see and know nothing about aside from the fact "it was a living island"? Isn't that like...Island level, at best? Which is already inferior to the actual calcs?
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Furthermore, their speed still hasn't been changed from Rel+ to Rel, even though this was cleared up like months ago. Is this just the product of something being slightly outdated?
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I'm just guessing dude. Also, found the 336.42 Terratons for Jasper's durability thing. It was linked on Amethyst's page.
http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...-of-country-level-gems-steven-universe.31017/
http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...-of-country-level-gems-steven-universe.31017/
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To be fair the living island thing was described as a tectonic emergency but still...
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Yeah that's where I got the calc from. Though it seems there smth fishy that needs to be cleared up cuz now I'm confused too :/The Wright Way said:
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That's based on the old value for the light cannons which are no longer considered legitimate.The Wright Way said:
Their page has new values.
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Ohhh okay. That makes sense then. But the other calcs seem to stand then (obv not the Jasper dura. one tho)
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@Azzy Jasper is scaled to Garnet, who is 68 Teratons
Sugilite is High 6-B for being immensely stronger than the power of Garnet and amethyst pyt together, and she wouldnt even have to be 2x stronger to be High 6-B
The Rel+ stuff was supposed to be changed though
Sugilite is High 6-B for being immensely stronger than the power of Garnet and amethyst pyt together, and she wouldnt even have to be 2x stronger to be High 6-B
The Rel+ stuff was supposed to be changed though
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Why? Because of the high end of the calc that assumes her shape-shifted arms are as dense as steel? That seems extremely unreliable, especially when the exact same calc has a low-end that is extremely consistent with her other feats.WeeklyBattles said:
Also, was this calc ever even evaluated? Because it's one of the few SU calcs with no input on NF.
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Because Amethyst's casual shapeshifting has a yield much higher than the low end and she acknowledges Garnet as being much, much stronger than her.
Yes, it was evaluated with all the others when they were changed to 6-B. I actually think you were even part of that thread...
Yes, it was evaluated with all the others when they were changed to 6-B. I actually think you were even part of that thread...
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If Amethysts casual shapeshifting has results exceeding stuff like the Gem Warship crashing or four laser light cannons, I think there are significantly larger problems, here.WeeklyBattles said:
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It doesnt, its only 1.7 Teratons
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That's not higher than the low end. That's actually extremely consistent with the low end (Amethyst being 1.7 Teratons to Garnet's 8.45).
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@Azzy Except Amethyst has feats of damaging 6-Bs and her 1.7 Teraton feat was extremely casual and done as a joke
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A Small Country level character inflicting some form of damage to a Country level character isn't exactly inconsistent.
Also, going with the low-end assumes the basic Country level characters are roughly 5-6x Amethyst's strength (which is extremely consistent), as opposed to being equal to roughly 40 Amethysts.
Also, going with the low-end assumes the basic Country level characters are roughly 5-6x Amethyst's strength (which is extremely consistent), as opposed to being equal to roughly 40 Amethysts.
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She poofed gem mutants that could take hits from Jasper and the guidebook states that she's not far off from Garnet's level. Both Kep and Assalt agreed that Amethyst being flat 6-B would be the best option.
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Then that is even more reason for the 6-B characters she scales to being at the level of 8-10+ teratons and not 68+, which is the high-end of said calc and only uses steel because "Amethyst can cut through steel". This isn't even ignoring a calculation. It's picking the most logical end, which is already what we do, and this makes for extremely good consistency.
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@Azzy Yes but in practice the scaling goes Amethyst and Pearl < Opal < Warship Durability < Jasper =< Garnet
Amethyst and Pearl are considered equals and Jasper beat both of them in The Return and later brutally stomped Amethyst twice, with Amethyst's strongest attack doing nothing but scuffing Jasper
Opal is stronger than the two of them combined
The Warship was undamaged by the Light Cannons and only slightly slowed down from Opal's attacks
Jasper tore through parts of the Gem Warship in her fight with Garnet and then tanked the ship's core exploding, which blew a hole in the hull of the ship, as well as the following crash to earth and complete destruction of the ship and only had a few scratches but was otherwise ready to keep fighting
Garnet was able to easily overpower and restrain Amethyst and Pearl and harmed Jasper with her attacks, and her power is placed above the likes of Stevonnie who was able to beat Jasper 1v1 and on the level of Smoky who beat Jasper with ease (As per Sardonyx's power rating test).
Amethyst and Pearl are considered equals and Jasper beat both of them in The Return and later brutally stomped Amethyst twice, with Amethyst's strongest attack doing nothing but scuffing Jasper
Opal is stronger than the two of them combined
The Warship was undamaged by the Light Cannons and only slightly slowed down from Opal's attacks
Jasper tore through parts of the Gem Warship in her fight with Garnet and then tanked the ship's core exploding, which blew a hole in the hull of the ship, as well as the following crash to earth and complete destruction of the ship and only had a few scratches but was otherwise ready to keep fighting
Garnet was able to easily overpower and restrain Amethyst and Pearl and harmed Jasper with her attacks, and her power is placed above the likes of Stevonnie who was able to beat Jasper 1v1 and on the level of Smoky who beat Jasper with ease (As per Sardonyx's power rating test).
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