- 6,605
- 4,143
I surprisingly never saw any kind of downgrade about this, but MFTL for everyone and their grandmother is kinda incoherent, so let's go see everything regarding this:
And honestly, did people forgot about the fight while applying this? No offense, but the whole point of the fight was that light speed is too fast for Silver Chariot and that Polnareff needed to anticipate the trajectory by limiting it. (Ik one of them has a different translation, but it's more coherent overall + the official translation says basically the same).
Even the last cut was only possible because of the coin thrown by Kakyoin, since otherwise Polnareff couldn't predict and touch him (some can say "it's because he didn't want to hit the people", but that's sure wasn't what they said).
So a MFTL slower than a LS dude, needing to anticipate his movement and who can't touch it when he has more than one possible trajectory? Not really possible. A low FTL or something like that would however have some consistence.
I know there's a blog explaining it, but as far as analysis goes, they can't go against the work itself.
-Red Hot Chilli Pepper is considered impossible to keep up with for anyone but Jotaro because of being light speed. Note that it's related to how he's said to be the "fastest stand" in this part, which is heavily implied to be thanks to his time stop (it's even what we actually have on his profile).
-Joseph dodged a laser from the Red Stone of Aja , however they considered this very close, and without taking into account how ****** up perspective was at this time, the calc for it is only 2 times above baseline FTL, which is kind of acceptable.
-Another one I can think of is Kars "blocking" Stroheim's ray . The only thing I could truly be against is how the low and high end are separated (9 to 46c) without anything telling us the end we're using. Also there's a high chance that Kars didn't actually tried to protect itself, since not only would this be useless (Stroheim's ray ignores his durability) but his main goal was to not lose the Red Stone of Aja, which was in his hands.
-Then we have the well-knowninfo about FTL Star Platinum (some said that japanese vers. actually associate it with time stop which would explain the odd phrasing, but I don't really want to dig in this); considering how he's the "fastest stand" in the verse AND was stated to be able to keep up with RHCP, it's kinda logic.
-At last, there's deflecting The Sun's rays which I just can't find much to say about. I mean even when they're called "energy ray" they're pretty much rays produced by a big Sun and considered as such by Joseph. The result is very high in comparison to the others feats to (around 76c)
Just to add a little; some feats are one-time ones in a verse where we have tons of one time feats not consistent at all (Crazy Diamond punch speed, Weather Report slower than airplane; etc...). So we would need something with some consistence for the new rating.
I don't mind calc, they're great when you doesn't have much info or when they're backed up by statements. But Polnareff fight would have been a one-case one if we consider that he was MFTL during it. The whole point of it was "Hanged Man is faster than me" and it would be like ignoring a fight based on intellect and use it to scale two characters AP.
Now what would be better?
Personnally I think FTL more consistent overall, having 4 to 5 feats (if you take Kars' low end and Hanged Man who could give low FTL at best).
FTL+ seems pretty high for a random encounter such as The Sun's and could be put as an outlier, although I don't mind it that much.
Ik there has been a lot of issue with people saying "FTL Jojo is an outlier"; but I'm now wondering how "what's beyond FTL may be an outlier" will go.
Polnareff and Hanged Man
Basically the origin of the rating (since every others feats seems to be between FTL and FTL+); coming from Silver Chariot cutting Hanged Man, a light-speed stand.And honestly, did people forgot about the fight while applying this? No offense, but the whole point of the fight was that light speed is too fast for Silver Chariot and that Polnareff needed to anticipate the trajectory by limiting it. (Ik one of them has a different translation, but it's more coherent overall + the official translation says basically the same).
Even the last cut was only possible because of the coin thrown by Kakyoin, since otherwise Polnareff couldn't predict and touch him (some can say "it's because he didn't want to hit the people", but that's sure wasn't what they said).
So a MFTL slower than a LS dude, needing to anticipate his movement and who can't touch it when he has more than one possible trajectory? Not really possible. A low FTL or something like that would however have some consistence.
I know there's a blog explaining it, but as far as analysis goes, they can't go against the work itself.
How fast is light speed for the people in the verse
Might as well talk about the others feats, so let's look at them all to see if MFTL (or even FTL+) truly is consistent:-Red Hot Chilli Pepper is considered impossible to keep up with for anyone but Jotaro because of being light speed. Note that it's related to how he's said to be the "fastest stand" in this part, which is heavily implied to be thanks to his time stop (it's even what we actually have on his profile).
-Joseph dodged a laser from the Red Stone of Aja , however they considered this very close, and without taking into account how ****** up perspective was at this time, the calc for it is only 2 times above baseline FTL, which is kind of acceptable.
-Another one I can think of is Kars "blocking" Stroheim's ray . The only thing I could truly be against is how the low and high end are separated (9 to 46c) without anything telling us the end we're using. Also there's a high chance that Kars didn't actually tried to protect itself, since not only would this be useless (Stroheim's ray ignores his durability) but his main goal was to not lose the Red Stone of Aja, which was in his hands.
-Then we have the well-knowninfo about FTL Star Platinum (some said that japanese vers. actually associate it with time stop which would explain the odd phrasing, but I don't really want to dig in this); considering how he's the "fastest stand" in the verse AND was stated to be able to keep up with RHCP, it's kinda logic.
-At last, there's deflecting The Sun's rays which I just can't find much to say about. I mean even when they're called "energy ray" they're pretty much rays produced by a big Sun and considered as such by Joseph. The result is very high in comparison to the others feats to (around 76c)
Just to add a little; some feats are one-time ones in a verse where we have tons of one time feats not consistent at all (Crazy Diamond punch speed, Weather Report slower than airplane; etc...). So we would need something with some consistence for the new rating.
New rating/Conclusion
Overall, here's what I think:I don't mind calc, they're great when you doesn't have much info or when they're backed up by statements. But Polnareff fight would have been a one-case one if we consider that he was MFTL during it. The whole point of it was "Hanged Man is faster than me" and it would be like ignoring a fight based on intellect and use it to scale two characters AP.
Now what would be better?
Personnally I think FTL more consistent overall, having 4 to 5 feats (if you take Kars' low end and Hanged Man who could give low FTL at best).
FTL+ seems pretty high for a random encounter such as The Sun's and could be put as an outlier, although I don't mind it that much.
Ik there has been a lot of issue with people saying "FTL Jojo is an outlier"; but I'm now wondering how "what's beyond FTL may be an outlier" will go.
