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Eh, I dunno. I suppose it's just something to be marked on her profile alone.
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Let's Mess With Time (A Hat in Time revision thread)
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EMagoIorSouI
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One last thing. Would this be considered limited Non-Physical Interaction? Prior to enabling the Dweller's Mask Hat Kid cannot hit them. But once creating the Dweller barrier, she can.
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Medeus can likely comment on it then.
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Speed bump
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Dweller Mask is transforming ghosts into solid enemies? That could either be Non-Physical Interaction or Invisibility + Intangibility nullification. But probably the former. I think Non-Physical Interaction with Dweller's Mask seems legit.
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Alright! It's settled! I'll add the changes then!
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The revisions have been added, I may have even tier upgrades for the cast... But, we should probably close this thread for now.
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Alright, I will do so. There were some grammar errors, but I fixed Hat Kid's page.
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Reopened this because I have some doubts about High 6-A.
Moustache Girl tinkered with several time pieces at once saying "Time to mess with time a little" and the planet turns into what looks like a past version of itself (with all the lava and stuff?). This clearly seems like a time manipulation feat (which is the standard ability of the time pieces), not AP.
What's more is that she tinkered with them using an unknown method and the planet transformed over an unknown period of time. Moustache girl utilizing High 6-A AP from this (which isn't even an AP feat) in her normal fights when all she does is throw the time pieces seems very speculative, when nothing suggests or even comes close to that level anywhere else.
Moustache Girl tinkered with several time pieces at once saying "Time to mess with time a little" and the planet turns into what looks like a past version of itself (with all the lava and stuff?). This clearly seems like a time manipulation feat (which is the standard ability of the time pieces), not AP.
What's more is that she tinkered with them using an unknown method and the planet transformed over an unknown period of time. Moustache girl utilizing High 6-A AP from this (which isn't even an AP feat) in her normal fights when all she does is throw the time pieces seems very speculative, when nothing suggests or even comes close to that level anywhere else.
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I would still consider it a Reality Warping feat; which looking at this profile, there are Planet level characters who scale from reality warping the planet with the Mana Sword. If there's context that Moustache Girl was empowered by the same time pieces, then it could be legit. But if not, AKM Sama does make some good points. We still have that good Wall level feat a while back.
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I'll get back on this when I can, I'm a bit busy as of the moment if that's cool! AKM Sama does bring some good points but I'd like to clarify some details.
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@DarkDragonMedeus It's already strongly implied that Mustache Girl got her powers off of the Time Pieces since, prior to her usage of them she's seen disposing of Mafia Goons with by her lonesome and with no powers. It also comes from the fact that she uses the Time Pieces in battle which are likely connected to her powers.
There's a chance AKM Sama is correct, but here's the thing. If you want to talk about speculatory, then there appears to be no evidence implying that Mustache Girl used the Time Pieces to rewind time on the entire planet. The Hat in Time wiki even says this but, again, there is no evidence proving that she actually used time manipulation to succeed this. Of course, time powers are the Time Pieces' main ability but that doesn't mean Mustache Girl used the concept of time to rewind the planet's age, Time Pieces can also create alternate pocket realities, bestow power and even portals and dream realms (actually this can qualify as an even higher tier because one rifts has numerous stars in the background and mustache girl even creates a pocket dimension with a time piece that has numerous stars and nebulae swirling in the background, so if the multi-continent level feat is considered wrong and these are considered legit than these can replace that feat). That's speculation.
If you want actual clarification on the whole time rewinding factor, there is evidence to prove what is time manipulation, and what isn't time manipulation. There is a sound effect that plays indicating that time rewinds, and it's shown in two cutscenes. This cutscene and this cutscene. The first cutscene plays a rewind sound because time rewinds due to Mustache Girl dropping it (duh), and the second cutscene plays a rewind sound presumably rewinding time and the planet back to its previous state, it's something small yet it quite possibly applicable. However, when Mustache Girl uses the Time Pieces on the planet, this sound doesn't play at all. Infact, from what is heard, it sounds like actual destruction and rearrangement, at least from what it is going to be warped into. Mustache Girl's quote of 'let's mess with time a little' doesn't prove anything. It's a pun, a play on words because she's using a bunch of items with the word 'time' in them, it doesn't mean she's rewinding time or anything. A statement shouldn't be able to dictate and change an entire feat which is demonstrated on the planet itself. From what I know of the wiki's guidelines, we prefer actual feats/demonstrations with evidence over simple statements. There are some statements in the finale that can sort of prove the whole time rewind thing but again, they don't really seem definitive
Chances are, Sama could be right, but I still stand with the High 6-A feat because there is evidence proving that it is still legit and not a time rewind ability. It could probably count as a reality warping feat, therefore we can probably scale the characters to it with something like 'At least High 6-A' or something like that, this can also apply to the fact that it was warped in an unknown period of time, but it still seems almost instantaneous since the light engulfs the entire planet, thus changing it rapidly, almost nigh-instantly. If this is all false than i guess it can go back to 9-B or, possibly even get upgraded to a higher tier due to feats I've found that possibly involve tier 4.
There's a chance AKM Sama is correct, but here's the thing. If you want to talk about speculatory, then there appears to be no evidence implying that Mustache Girl used the Time Pieces to rewind time on the entire planet. The Hat in Time wiki even says this but, again, there is no evidence proving that she actually used time manipulation to succeed this. Of course, time powers are the Time Pieces' main ability but that doesn't mean Mustache Girl used the concept of time to rewind the planet's age, Time Pieces can also create alternate pocket realities, bestow power and even portals and dream realms (actually this can qualify as an even higher tier because one rifts has numerous stars in the background and mustache girl even creates a pocket dimension with a time piece that has numerous stars and nebulae swirling in the background, so if the multi-continent level feat is considered wrong and these are considered legit than these can replace that feat). That's speculation.
If you want actual clarification on the whole time rewinding factor, there is evidence to prove what is time manipulation, and what isn't time manipulation. There is a sound effect that plays indicating that time rewinds, and it's shown in two cutscenes. This cutscene and this cutscene. The first cutscene plays a rewind sound because time rewinds due to Mustache Girl dropping it (duh), and the second cutscene plays a rewind sound presumably rewinding time and the planet back to its previous state, it's something small yet it quite possibly applicable. However, when Mustache Girl uses the Time Pieces on the planet, this sound doesn't play at all. Infact, from what is heard, it sounds like actual destruction and rearrangement, at least from what it is going to be warped into. Mustache Girl's quote of 'let's mess with time a little' doesn't prove anything. It's a pun, a play on words because she's using a bunch of items with the word 'time' in them, it doesn't mean she's rewinding time or anything. A statement shouldn't be able to dictate and change an entire feat which is demonstrated on the planet itself. From what I know of the wiki's guidelines, we prefer actual feats/demonstrations with evidence over simple statements. There are some statements in the finale that can sort of prove the whole time rewind thing but again, they don't really seem definitive
Chances are, Sama could be right, but I still stand with the High 6-A feat because there is evidence proving that it is still legit and not a time rewind ability. It could probably count as a reality warping feat, therefore we can probably scale the characters to it with something like 'At least High 6-A' or something like that, this can also apply to the fact that it was warped in an unknown period of time, but it still seems almost instantaneous since the light engulfs the entire planet, thus changing it rapidly, almost nigh-instantly. If this is all false than i guess it can go back to 9-B or, possibly even get upgraded to a higher tier due to feats I've found that possibly involve tier 4.
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Creating pocket realities with numerous stars would be 4-A if they're legit. I think EMagaolorSoul also makes sense here.
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I agree with him as well.
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I also believe that the acausality ability on some of the characters' profiles are dubious and false. Those should likely get removed.
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We can wait to see what AKM Sama has to say.
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Well it really doesn't have to do with the whole High 6-A thing, since it states that Hat Kid was unaffected by Mustache Girl rewinding time, which she was, and it states that the other characters remember each other in an alternate reality, which doesn't really apply to Acausality. Snatcher was likely referring to Mustache Girl's pocket reality in which she made for her and Hat Kid's battle, btw. EDIT: I just remembered Snatcher said this prior to her doing this, nevermind the last sentence. Doesn't really change much, though.
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AKM Sama also said something about Acausality on Discord.
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Acausality always confused me. But I don't really think it applies to the time stuff here.
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Also I'll show some of those pocket reality tier 4 feats soon.
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Yes, when I was auditing the verse I saw the Acausality rating didn't make any sense. I also have a problem with speed ratings since she isn't actually dodging the explosions, just moving out of the way where the explosives fall and there's no calc granting supersonic+.
Back to AP, I don't get how defeating the mafia goons and using the time pieces in battle means she is empowered by time pieces when all she does is throw them at the opponent.
Assuming it is a reality warping feat, it was caused by tinkering with several time pieces at once using an unknown method that required some prep time and it happened over an unknown period of time. This is not normal, it is a special move. I don't see evidence suggesting she utilizes this as her normal AP and that throwing time pieces one by one would have the same AP as this special move, and why Hat Kid or anybody else should scale to it. She is clearly neither using the same method, nor generating the same result. At most, she alone (with several time pieces at her possession) would have that rating.
As for what it really is, we're not working with a lot of info so it's all guesswork. As you said, there is NO evidence to conclude that she used any other of the time pieces' ability to achieve that either. We should choose an option that requires least assumptions. Her statement "time to mess with time a little" isn't the end all be all, but it does support my notion. Your point about the sound effect would also hold weight except this is not a normal rewind. This required a completely different method of tinkering with several time pieces which is not normal and it presumably took the planet back many many years back which is also not normal. It is already clear that this is a special move and it having an abnormal sound isn't out of the ordinary.
Back to AP, I don't get how defeating the mafia goons and using the time pieces in battle means she is empowered by time pieces when all she does is throw them at the opponent.
Assuming it is a reality warping feat, it was caused by tinkering with several time pieces at once using an unknown method that required some prep time and it happened over an unknown period of time. This is not normal, it is a special move. I don't see evidence suggesting she utilizes this as her normal AP and that throwing time pieces one by one would have the same AP as this special move, and why Hat Kid or anybody else should scale to it. She is clearly neither using the same method, nor generating the same result. At most, she alone (with several time pieces at her possession) would have that rating.
As for what it really is, we're not working with a lot of info so it's all guesswork. As you said, there is NO evidence to conclude that she used any other of the time pieces' ability to achieve that either. We should choose an option that requires least assumptions. Her statement "time to mess with time a little" isn't the end all be all, but it does support my notion. Your point about the sound effect would also hold weight except this is not a normal rewind. This required a completely different method of tinkering with several time pieces which is not normal and it presumably took the planet back many many years back which is also not normal. It is already clear that this is a special move and it having an abnormal sound isn't out of the ordinary.
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I also think AKM Sama makes sense. And I do agree with Acausality and speed, but neutral about Attack Potency. Moustache Girl still sounds like she could be 'High 6-A with reality warping via time pieces at the very least. It may or may not scale to physical stats or anyone else, but prefer to here from Magolar first.
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WHich is why I proposed an 'At least High 6-A' if that were to make any sense.
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I wouldn't be opposed either. I'm just one of those devoted members who try to find good feats for a verse it all. Honestly though someone else should do it, last time it was really hard for me.
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Magolor hasn't commented in a while, but I think it was generally agreed with AKM Sama.
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Back to 9-B, yes.
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Chances are though, I think there's a lightning strike durability feat in there somewhere involving Hat Kid, so that could possibly apply to durability and AP. What level is lightning at?
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