"Time you saw what I'm really capable of, kid." | The Snatcher VS Kris Dreemurr

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[Qurbonboev]

Hold your horses
Snatcher hss no fearhax resist. Does he at least have some good willpower feats?

 

[Bruhtelho]

Hold your horses
Snatcher hss no fearhax resist. Does he at least have some good willpower feats?

Kris' fearhax isn't allat, its not like "i see you and you are paralyzed with fear" even berdly of all people, who is somewhat of a coward and overconfident, could still fight after getting hit by it numerous times. someone like the snatcher would have no problem seeing Kris attempt it and then proceeding to just... blast him or insta kill him for just thinking of tryna scare a literal thousand year old ghost.

that would also have to be something Kris considers amongst his... numerous options before Snatcher just insta deaths him and then remembers everything till the player eventually just rage quits a true reset forcing an incon.

 

[Qurbonboev]

even berdly of all people, who is somewhat of a coward and overconfident,

Berdly has enough guts to forcibly remove active wire that can control his body and mind. And after getting his hand totally fried(and energy drained), he had enough will to collect wide array of darkners, and save Gang in mere minutes

 

[Bruhtelho]

Berdly has enough guts to forcibly remove active wire that can control his body and mind. And after getting his hand totally fried(and energy drained), he had enough will to collect wide array of darkners, and save Gang in mere minutes

its still limited meaning its not gonna be super effective and still required numerous hits on berdly, whos profile doesn't give him supernatural nor resistance to it, to become fully affected. if you wanna be super fr Snatcher's whole existence is putting fear into his victims and about his upcoming.

he fought hat kid for an extended period of time and was completely unfazed by the end viewing it as "more annoying" than anything else and had his heart broken by the love of his life and proceeded to rot in a dungeon coming back as the snatcher upon his death, Snatcher knows the cold feeling of death itself and states as such numerous times, feeling a lil "glare" from Kris isn't really gonna rattle him.

even then Glare isn't one of Kris' starting options amongst his numerous others nor does he get his infinite retries to even attempt it due to Snatcher remembering and insta killing him every time afterwards. ACTing and CHECKING Snatcher wouldn't really give him the knowledge to use it since it'd only inform him on his stats and potential weaknesses that being that he can't be attacked unless blue.

 

[Qurbonboev]

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Seems to me that his character would make glare less effective.
Keeping my vote as currently is

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

incon fra

 

[Bruhtelho]

i'll also be voting Incon FRA to get grace started

 

[Randomuser3412]

(I also would be voting incon but it doesn't appear to matter since grace started)

 

[Qurbonboev]

Does this debate has this?
"Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.
Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc."

 

[Randomuser3412]

Does this debate has this?
"Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.
Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc."

Kris isn't entirely incapable of defeating Snatcher to my knowledge. He doesn't ever use Death Manip during his actual fight, so I'm unsure if he would even use it here at all.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Does this debate has this?
"Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.
Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc."

we discussed all their abilites, its end up being the "incapable of defeating each other" cause of the TRUE RESET since Kris can't just come back infinitely for free like he normally could due to Snatcher's resistance to time shenanigans meaning he's far more likely to use his death hax than he normally would be

technically speaking on one of the resets Snatcher could try to blackmail kris into making a deal with him and end up just ending via SI but Kris could potentially attempt the same thing on his first attempt and Snatcher always just opts to kill his victims either way.

the fight has a lot of things going on due to the fact Kris doesn't have infinite retries but hax that if used, could potentially net him a win. the same thing applies to Snatcher whom has the hax or potential to win. but eventually the player would just TRUE RESET meaning neither could truly win.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Kris isn't entirely incapable of defeating Snatcher to my knowledge. He doesn't ever use Death Manip during his actual fight, so I'm unsure if he would even use it here at all.

he'd use it after either a lengthy battle or when he realizes that Kris just isn't important to him, the only reason he didn't death hax Hat Kid right off the game was cause he needed a new servant and he's said as much himself that "had she denied his deal, he'd eat her soul and toss her corpse aside" meaning that's how he likely deals with his victims.

 

[Randomuser3412]

he'd use it after either a lengthy battle or when he realizes that Kris just isn't important to him, the only reason he didn't death hax Hat Kid right off the game was cause he needed a new servant and he's said as much himself that "had she denied his deal, he'd eat her soul and toss her corpse aside" meaning that's how he likely deals with his victims.

I mean he never used it on Hat Kid during his fight, even though he clearly wanted her dead and couldn't manage it with his regular attacks. I doubt he would use it in a straight fight with Kris...

 

[Qurbonboev]

Sounds good enough argument to make it valid incon, but

technically speaking on one of the resets Snatcher could try to blackmail kris into making a deal with him and end up just ending via SI

Snatcher would need to blackmail Player, not the Kris. And even if your version could work, TRUE RESET breaks it

 

[Bruhtelho]

I mean he never used it on Hat Kid during his fight, even though he clearly wanted her dead and couldn't manage it with his regular attacks. I doubt he would use it in a straight fight with Kris...

thats CIS, had snatcher just killed her then what would the point of the game be?

 

[Randomuser3412]

thats CIS, had snatcher just killed her then what would the point of the game be?

(That's PIS, if it was CIS then it would be perfectly fine to say he wouldn't use it) I guess.

 

[Lou_change]

Again True reset is something that is exclusive to the player that they don't even do in Deltarune should it really be a possibility in this match

 

[Poketmonsrs]

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