Let's give it a shot | Atomic-X (Ben 10) Upgrade

[GeneralSol16]

Let's see if this works.

During the season finale of Ben 10: Omniverse, Ben 10,000 as Atomic-X, tries to stop the Chronosapien Time Bomb in an effort to save the day...by punching it.

Aside from how dump this plan was, I figured out that we could use this as a feat.

As the scan shows, Ben was able to not just interact with the blast by a fraction of a second (unlike any other a Ben minus Prime, which all were erased instantly), but also he was able to warp and expand the blast with hus punch, making the energy to grow in size (similar to when you punch an air bag and one side expands, while the other stays pressed). You can even see how Ben wasn't affected at all from the blast until the parts that he erupted and expanded with his punch touched him, before that, he was almost unnarected by it.
This would mean that Atomic-X, who is a fraction of a Celestialsapien, could be on a at least same tier as the CTB, since he was able to make a "'dent" in the blast and expand it, almost redirect it.

This would make Atomic-X go from "At least 4-B, to possibly 4-A" to "Low 1-C" via scaling to the CTB.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

We're trying to scale him to something that instantly wiped him out?

Nope, I completely disagree.

 

[GeneralSol16]

We're trying to scale him to something that instantly wiped him out?

Nope, disagree.

I'm scaling him in AP, his durability would be different.

It's not like is the first time something like that happens.

 

[Jaften]

I also disagree

 

[GeneralSol16]

I also disagree

Same reasoning as Maverick?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Like I said, the main point Is Atomic-X being able to warp and dent the energy blast, so, he should at least scale in AP, not Dura.

And being completely erased wouldn't be an antifeat, since he could be infinitely times weaker and still scale to it.

 

[Drite77]

Not really buying this '-'

BTW, you should prob edit the post and put the people who disagree there

 

[GeneralSol16]

Not really buying this '-'

BTW, you should prob edit the post and put the people who disagree there

I haven't edited it yet since I was waiting to see the arguments, since half of them did just said something I've already addressed up and the other one didn't even elaborate at all.

 

[REX9097]

Natural
Wait for Firestorm's response

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

I think for the sake of overall dynamics they just decided to stop animating the energy movement in this scene, not because he stopped the energy with his power.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I think for the sake of overall dynamics they just decided to stop animating the energy movement in this scene, not because he stopped the energy with his power.

I'm not talking about stopping it or not, but warp the blast itself and expand it with his punch, which is why I'm arguing it.

 

[Lort15]

I need a microscope to read the texts

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

We're trying to scale him to something that instantly wiped him out?

Nope, I completely disagree.

"Instantly wiped him out" is something that didn't happen and it's the only reason that this CRT is made

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Let's see if this works.

During the season finale of Ben 10: Omniverse, Ben 10,000 as Atomic-X, tries to stop the Chronosapien Time Bomb in an effort to save the day...by punching it.

Aside from how dump this plan was, I figured out that we could use this as a feat.

As the scan shows, Ben was able to not just interact with the blast by a fraction of a second (unlike any other a Ben minus Prime, which all were erased instantly), but also he was able to warp and expand the blast with hus punch, making the energy to grow in size (similar to when you punch an air bag and one side expands, while the other stays pressed).
This would mean that Atomic-X, who is a fraction of a Celestialsapien, could be on a at least same tier as the CTB, since he was able to make a "'alter" its shape and expand it, almost redirect it.

This would make Atomic-X go from "At least 4-B, to possibly 4-A" to "Low 1-C" via scaling to the CTB.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Agree
Btw didn't he actually gave it a boost as well (he can probably keep up with it but is weak against time so he couldn't survive)

 

[DemonicDude]

Reason: Cinematic Timing

Cinematic Time

Cinematic time is the term used to refer to time as it is depicted on-screen in an audio-visual work. In other words, it is the time as measured by the audience of said audio-visual work. Cinematic time generally does not equal the time passing in the story. Often, it passes at different speeds...

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[Maverick_Zero_X]

"Instantly wiped him out" is something that didn't happen and it's the only reason that this CRT is made

"It vaporized him within seconds" still contradicts him scaling to the blast, even if not "instantly".

 

[Railgun]

I disagree based on maverick's reasons.

 

[Kaiou1991]

I think Maverick makes the most sense here.

 

[GeneralSol16]

"It vaporized him within seconds" still contradicts him scaling to the blast, even if not "instantly".

The main argument is that Ben 10K was able to make a "dent" on the blast and make it bigger with his only punch, and was the only Ben (aside from Prime) who survived aftet being touched with the CTB, the others were erased faster than instably.

He would be weaker, sure, but he would still scale to it, especially in AP.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Chronosapien Time Bomb erased him, I don't think that can count as an anti-feat because Atomic-X doesn't have resistance to Existance Erasure

 

[GeneralSol16]

Actually, you can see how Ben wasn't affected by it until the "erupted" parts that he caused touched him, before that, he was completely fine, even stating there for a few seconds.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Here I saw again how big a fanboy this particular user is, these fans are literally going to drive me to suicide

Disagree FRA

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Here I saw again how big a fanboy this particular user is, these fans are literally going to drive me to suicide

Disagree FRA

Don't you think you're exaggerating a little?

 

[Hellformer]

Here I saw again how big a fanboy this particular user is, these fans are literally going to drive me to suicide

What audacity do you have to call someone a "fanboy" regardless of what the thread is? Even I don't agree with the thread but that doesn't mean I try to troll someone in this manner. Oh and btw please call the suicide helpline number if you feel like doing so.

Disagree FRA

Should have commented this only and no one would've bothered.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

What audacity do you have to call someone a "fanboy" regardless of what the thread is? Even I don't agree with the thread but that doesn't mean I try to troll someone in this manner. Oh and btw please call the suicide helpline number if you feel like doing so.

Should have commented this only and no one would've bothered.

Yeah, really dramatic

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yeah gonna disagree with this for Mavericks reasons also

 

[GeneralSol16]

I was waiting for Firestorm, since he could make a difference in staff's opinion, but since 3 staff members have appeared, and don't see someone is addrresing the counter arguments for the "he was completely erased" thing, I'd assume this'll be closed.

 

[DemonicDude]

Disagreed FRA.

Seeing people from cough cough "The Ben 10/Gen Rex Hero United Discord Server" argue and be offended by each others point this much is really pathetic and that goes to show ya how deep that sever has fallen.

 

[REX9097]

This should be close

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Damn Stop being Overdramatic about this, let's just close the thread since no one really agree with this

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

If someone ask me I disagree too

The scene actually shows that the energy attack that Atomic-X had in his hand was absorbed by the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which caused its energy to increase and end up erasing Atomic-X

 

[GeneralSol16]

If someone ask me I disagree too

The scene actually shows that the energy attack that Atomic-X had in his hand was absorbed by the Chronosapien Time Bomb, which caused its energy to increase and end up erasing Atomic-X

Which means that he'd scale to it anyways, since Atomic-, X's energy is significant enough to make the blast stronger, bigger and more violent
.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Which means that he'd scale to it anyways, since Atomic-, X's energy is significant enough to make the blast stronger, bigger and more violent
.

I can see why you are saying that, because when Atomic-X got erase the blast got bigger and faster, and well Atomic-X being erased can be argue by well, his none resistance to Existance Erasure, even so, should this only count for his ap? Or not even count as a feat because all it did was, well, make the blast go out of control but that blast was already Low 1-C

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

What audacity do you have to call someone a "fanboy" regardless of what the thread is? Even I don't agree with the thread but that doesn't mean I try to troll someone in this manner. Oh and btw please call the suicide helpline number if you feel like doing so.

Nah that's called being a D1 Hater. I aspire to be that level of hater myself

Also I disagree for obvious reasons

 

[GeneralSol16]

I can see why you are saying that, because when Atomic-X got erase the blast got bigger and faster, and well Atomic-X being erased can be argue by well, his none resistance to Existance Erasure, even so, should this only count for his ap? Or not even count as a feat because all it did was, well, make the blast go out of control but that blast was already Low 1-C

Yes, but my main argument is that Ben was able to affect a L1C blast, which requires at least being on the same tier, otherwise he would just be instantly erased like his counterparts.

And that's my main point, but no one has argued against that at all.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Yes, but my main argument is that Ben was able to affect a L1C blast, which requires at least being on the same tier, otherwise he would just be instantly erased like his counterparts.

And that's my main point, but no one has argued against that at all.

I see

 

[Lovemovies14]

Being erased or not immune by something doesn't always automatically disqualify character from being that tier. There are times characters in fiction have multiversal power and yet at the same time have been erased, killed, or harmed by something on that level or lower. As for the proposal, I'll stay neutral. I could argue that Atomic-X could still scale to Low 1-C and at the same time not be immune to multiversal existence erasure and time manipulation due to the fusion containing part of Atomix's DNA which is mortal.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Being erased or not immune by something doesn't always automatically disqualify character from being that tier. There are times characters in fiction have multiversal power and yet at the same time have been erased, killed, or harmed by something on that level or lower. As for the proposal, I'll stay neutral. I could argue that Atomic-X could still scale to Low 1-C and at the same time not be immune to multiversal existence erasure and time manipulation due to the fusion containing part of Atomix's DNA which is mortal.

Well, yeah, Atomic-X isn't a pure celestialsapien, so being erased wouldn't be a real anti-feat, my only problem now is that we are dealing with an Atomic-X 4-A having a Low 1-C tier, will that be inconsistent?

 

[GeneralSol16]

will that be inconsistent?

No, Atomic-X doesn't scale to anyone.

Except maybe Maltruant, but he didn't tank his energy and he doesn't scale to anyone either.

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

No, Atomic-X doesn't scale to anyone.

Except maybe Maltruant, but he didn't tank his energy and he doesn't scale to anyone either.

Nah, Maltruant Low 1-C is peak