Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 5

[REX9097]

Transformation via Bio Manip. You told us that is affects DNA. It's a mutagenic transformation.

Mind Manip is a side effect of the transformation.

It is still usable as Gwen turned the Chromastone into liquid, which should affect the DNA, considering it became liquid.

 

[Firestorm808]

It is still usable as Gwen turned the Chromastone into liquid, which should affect the DNA, considering it became liquid.

Transmutation and Transformation are two different things.

 

[REX9097]

Transmutation and Transformation are two different things.

Permission? What Gwen does is Transmutation, as she turns entire body into liquid, and the Omnitrix is resistant to Transmutation, because it is not affected by Corrodium's Transmutation.

Transmutation is the ability to alter the form of energy, beings, objects, matter, etc. to change it into something else.

Transformation is the ability to transform parts of one body or slightly modify their forms through external power-ups, gradual mutations over a period of time, or through limited or uncontrollable change in form. It also includes characters with a very limited number of set transformations.

 

[Firestorm808]

Permission? What Gwen does is Transmutation, as she turns entire body into liquid, and the Omnitrix is resistant to Transmutation, because it is not affected by Corrodium's Transmutation.

The effect of Corrodium is Transformation, not Transmutation.

Transmutation refers to the change in the form of energy and matter like going from solid to liquid. IE: Fullmetal Alchemist type stuff.

 

[REX9097]

Transmutation refers to the change in the form of energy and matter like going from solid to liquid. IE: Fullmetal Alchemist type stuff.

It literally says that it is the transmutation of beings into something else and not "change in the form of energy and matter" and it is also accepted that this is Resistance to Transmutation

• Possession, Mind Control & Transmutation (Ghost Freak was unable to possess and mind control Ben's aliens. Transforming will prevent Ben from mutating when exposed to Corrodium a mineral which mutates peoples DNA while transformed)

 

[Firestorm808]

It is also accepted that this is Resistance to Transmutation

Looking at the statements again, I am unsure of it being Transmutation. I would ask for a second opinion from staff.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69

 

[REX9097]

Looking at the statements again, I am leaning against it being Transmutation but am still unsure. I would ask for a second opinion from staff.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69

Can we skip this at now (we will return to this point later), and move to other additions?

 

[Firestorm808]

Can we skip this at now (we will return to this point later), and move to other additions?

What else is needed?

 

[REX9097]

What else is needed?

This:

Spoiler: R&H

• Alien X:
  • Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Technology Manipulation: Cloud bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation (He able to nullify Omnitrix's technology system who has resist technology manip)
  • Erasure Existence: History and Space-Time - Capable of destroying all of existence along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums.
• Chrono Navigator:
  • Erasure Existence: History and Space-Time due to he capable of destroying all of existence along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums.
• Annihilarrgh:
  • Erasure Existence: History and Space-Time - Capable of destroying entire universe along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums..

I find this in Toppo's profile

• Mana Manipulation:
  • Resistance to Limited Soul Absorption: Mana users has Resistance to limited Mana Absorption, so should be has resist limited soul absorption due to mana is soul, magic and energy.

We have this in Mana Manipulation and I want to modify this to be this:

• Anodite Physiology:
  • Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Dimensional and Magic Attacks: Can't affected by mana blast, which is magic and souls.
  • Resistance to Matter Manipulation (Molecular level) and Durability Negation (1 layer): Unaffected by Gwen's mana blasts which can bypass durability at molecular level.

We have this in Anodite Physiology and I want to modify this to be this:

And things:

Aura and Enhanced Light Manipulation: Explosive, Fear-inducing and Catastrophe-inducing - As they reveal their true forms, they emit a blinding light from their body, which can cause an explosion and increase the enemy's fears and absorb life-energy from those around them to enhance their power, which cloud kill life-forms.

Life Manipulation, Magic, Dimensional Manipulation & Soul Manipulation: Any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana, a life energy, souls and multi-dimensional, and that permeates all of nature, and serves as the substance of magic[1].

 

[Firestorm808]

Anodite Physiology:

Aura

• Explosive - can cause an explosion
  • I suppose
• Fear-inducing - increase the enemy's fears
  • You need to prove that the Aura is a direct cause to emotional manipulation, not just the enemy being scared.
• Catastrophe-inducing - absorb life-energy from those around them to enhance their power, which could kill life-forms.
  • I suppose.

Mana Manipulation:

Life Manipulation - Any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana. It is life energy,
Magic - It permeates all of nature and serves as the substance of magic[1].
Dimensional Manipulation - multi-dimensional
Soul Manipulation - core to souls. Some rituals can draw the souls out of people.

I would only agree with Limited Dimensional Manipulation.
Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Being multi-dimensional and blocking off dimensional shifting isn't enough for full-on manipulation.
The rest seem okay.

 

[REX9097]

Soul Manipulation - core to souls. Some rituals can draw the souls out of people.

Mana is power of soul even it's soul of all life-forms:

• Mana can cause a person to lose his soul, where when Charmcaster absorbed Mana from entities in Legerdomain, causing them to lose their souls.

I would only agree with Limited Dimensional Manipulation.
Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space.

Mana is only multi-dimensional, is Higher-Dimensional flows (this get accepted)

The Alpha Rune serves as a stabilizer for the realm of Ledgerdomain. Without it, this dimension falls apart. The Alpha Rune also grants all the power of the Alpha Rune and absolute power over magic and Ledgerdomain. Ledgerdomain has different time and space and is the place from which all magic in the universe flows that universe is an infinite space that contains an infinite number of dimensions, including higher-dimensional flows, and is one of the Alternate Dimensions/Interdimensional realm because it might contain time within itself. Charmcaster also claims that the Alpha Rune is a source of ultimate power in Ledgerdomain and has been proven to contain enormous amounts of mana

Being multi-dimensional and blocking off dimensional shifting isn't enough for full-on manipulation.

Dimensional Manipulation:

Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the dimensions that aren't limited to just three-dimensional space. Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension, being capable of phasing someone in and out of existence by changing their positions in other dimensions, affecting a target by making it exist in more than one plane, among many other abilities.

Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".

Mana's Dimensional Manipulation:

• Gwen's mana can warp higher-dimensional barrier
• Gwen's mana can nullifying travel in-between the dimensions (in higher-dimensional barrier)
• Gwen's mana can see a higher-dimensional barrier
• Gwen's mana can access to higher-dimensional barrier

This is enough for Dimensional Manipulation and not Limited, as there are characters who got Dimensional Manipulation being able to affect, reduce and reach the level of higher dimensional.
Mister Mxyzptlk:

• Causality Manipulation & Dimensional Manipulation (Once set up a Seven-Dimensional cause-and-effect force that messed with the world[9])
• Statistics Reduction & Dimensional Manipulation (Made himself 3-Dimensional.[9] Once 3-Dimensional, he loses his powers[9])

The Six-Fold God:

Dimensional Manipulation (Is capable of flipping the entire Time Vortex, a multi-dimensional plane)

Yukari Yakumo:

• Dimensional Manipulation (Can manipulate the boundaries between 2D and 3D space)

• Fear-inducing - increase the enemy's fears
  • You need to prove that the Aura is a direct cause to emotional manipulation, not just the enemy being scared.

You can see that when Gwen showed her Anodite forms and an aura came out of her (note: Anodite's Aura is always on when they are in Anodite form and this is also shown in the Ultimatrix where Gwen was lighting up the darkness when she was in Anodite form and in the Original series Charmcaster says that Gwen has a magical aura which helps her use magic and her power is magical)

 

[REX9097]

The rest seem okay.

Does Alien X's existence erasure resist would upgrade to history? (I mean do you agree with being Resistance to Existence Erasure [History])

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Layers

Starting with the layers, Hard no for the Durability Negation layers. I don't even think Gwen should have that resistance given the sonic blast used on her in the scan match the one mentioned in the description, however I'll ignore that and assume it's resistance. That still doesn't mean they get layered durability negation since the other feats you mentioned are of a completely different attack. Gwen surviving a sonic blast that can incapacitate people through "sound" is not the same as bypassing someone's durability through absorbing powers.

The Transmutation layer might be the only one I agree with and it's mainly for the turning Ben into liquid and the last one that doesn't involve the green flash. Since the rest is crossed out, I'll not discuss it. I'll comment on the power additions next.

Abilities and Resistances

* Omnitrix

Where is the scan of Rex failing to control the Omnitrix? The first scan just links to the Generator Rex wiki that says he can control technology, and the next scan links to a statement about the Annihilarrgh being able to destroy the universe... Edit: Nevermind, I see the scan all the way down on Kevin's intelligence update. The resistance is fine.

As for regeneration, where does it mention his entire physical form was destroyed? That just shows Ben vaporized and then him fall down with smoke on him. He could have been reduced to molecules or atoms for all we know, and since we don't immediately use the highest interpretations, it would likely be High regeneration unless you have a statement that supports Low-Godly.

* Alien X

It would be Power Nullification, not Resistance Negation.

Existence Erasure on those levels seems fine.

* Chrono Navigator

Existence Erasure on those levels seems fine.

* Annihilarrgh

Existence Erasure on those levels seems fine.

Note: What's on Toppo's profile is irrelevant, this is Ben 10, not Dragon Ball.

* Gwen

Matter Manipulation on a molecular level is fine.

* Mana Manipulation

All the additions seem fine.

* Anodite Physiology

I'm neutral on those resistances. Mana has multiple uses but they all don't passively have that effect at once, the scans for mana show it can be used for different things, you'd need to show they can resist those specific abilities from Mana.

For example, Gwen used her mana in that one scan to specifically effect that portal on a molecular level, however, this doesn't mean a standard mana blast from her natural hits at that level.

I think the Aura additions are fine, though the last scan "cloud kill" one doesn't work for me.

Intelligence

* Kevin

While I think Kevin can pass for the later stuff, that scan is not justification for "Great knowledge on astrophysics", he's just using that as a metaphor for the birds and the bees because of what Celestialsapiens are. Nothing there shows knowledge on astrophysics, let alone great knowledge. Same goes for the scan of him saying he can hack the Omnitrix, not only did he goof a bit at the beginning, he's making an assumption of his past interactions with it which isn't enough to suggest he can pull it off.

However, him making a machine that can reboot tech like the Ultimatrix (something real life genius wouldn't be able to make) and having knowledge on multi-dimensional aspects of mana back with his Plumber knowledge of the various interstellar laws, technology usage and so on, I could see Extraordinary Genius.

* Gwen

Genius is fine.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[REX9097]

As for regeneration, where does it mention his entire physical form was destroyed? That just shows Ben vaporized and then him fall down with smoke on him. He could have been reduced to molecules or atoms for all we know, and since we don't immediately use the highest interpretations, it would likely be High regeneration unless you have a statement that supports Low-Godly.

Charmcaster's machine literally destroys his physical body. What we see here is that the Charmcaster was built to extract all the souls from the beings in Legerdomain. This will further boost Low-Godly's credibility considering that she destroyed the Chromastone and Omnitrix to extract Ben's soul (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien "My Enemy of My Frenemy")

 

[REX9097]

* Anodite Physiology

I'm neutral on those resistances. Mana has multiple uses but they all don't passively have that effect at once, the scans for mana show it can be used for different things, you'd need to show they can resist those specific abilities from Mana.

For example, Gwen used her mana in that one scan to specifically effect that portal on a molecular level, however, this doesn't mean a standard mana blast from her natural hits at that level.

Resist Soul, Dimensional, Matter, Durability Negation and Magic is because Gwen's mana blast is soul, energy, magic, dimensional and can bypass durability and this is confirmed when she was against Charmcaster, as she used a mana blast which caused an effect on Charmcaster's soul and bypass Charmcaster's durability (Kevin confirmed that mana is higher-dimensional flows and in "My Enemy of My Frenemy" it was proven that mana is the souls of all beings in the universe)

• Mana can cause a person to lose his soul, where when Charmcaster absorbed Mana from entities in Legerdomain, causing them to lose their souls.

 

[REX9097]

I think the Aura additions are fine, though the last scan "cloud kill" one doesn't work for me.

When Verdona was sucking Mana around her, cause killed plants.

 

[Firestorm808]

Is there anything else to discuss here?

 

[REX9097]

Is there anything else to discuss here?

No, u can close this thread.