Let me cook (possible tier 7 The Boys)

[Just_Butchering]

So, in the context of the scene, Butcher and Maeve are discussing about how Soldier Boy died (we later learn that this isn't true, but it's not relevant now), to which Maeve says that there was a type of weapon that was used to kill him, which prompts Butcher to say "must have been a f***ing H-bomb, he was nearly as strong as [Homelander]" in response.

The important thing here is that the implication is that Soldier Boy and Homelander required a hydrogen bomb to be killed. Hydrogen bombs are far more powerful than atomic/fission bombs, the latter reaching dozens of kilotons (up to the hundreds), while the former are in the megaton range. Which may imply that atomic bombs wouldn't be enough to kill them.

Now, Soldier Boy was presumed dead in 1984, and by that time not only hydrogen bombs were made, but also started to replace atomic bombs completely. I point this out because it's possible Butcher said "H-bomb" not because an atomic bomb wouldn't work, but because they weren't around anymore. But that's also why I wanted to add this rating with a "possible" rather than an straight upgrade.

And there is some minor support for this, like Homelander saying he would destroy cities/towns for fun or that he can destroy a city in minutes. Not a lot, but it's something. And it should be noted that his current 8-A ratings comes from him tanking the explosion.

TDLR; add to the current 8-A characters, a "possibly" 7-C (upscaling from the Fat Man bomb)/High 7-C (upscaling from the Ivy King/Orange Herald bombs).

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Chariot190]

or that he can destroy a city in minutes.

That's actually a super bad statement. He should be able to destroy a city in less than a second if he was as strong as a H-Bomb. Even a hypersonic 9-A can destroy a city in minutes.

 

[Propellus]

Yeah no, this literally has never been proven with anything Homelander has consistently shown on visuals. And the explosion feat he tanked so far, still isn't enough for tier 7 nor does it make it any more possible that he would actually survive the World's most powerful bomb. And those statements of Homelander claiming he could destroy a city is most likely hyperbole and he's never actually proven to have actually done it.

 

[KaydeeX]

Shouldn’t have let you cook

 

[Jason_Courne]

No, supes are weak to radiation, it would just fry the Compound V out of their body

8-C nuclear explosions can completely fry out the Compound V from Homelander tiered supes, they most definitely couldn't withstand 7-C nuclear explosions

 

[Just_Butchering]

make it any more possible that he would actually survive the World's most powerful bomb

I mean, I wasn't saying he would withstand the most powerful, but lesser ones, and only as a possibility.

Shouldn’t have let you cook

Sometimes you need to burn a few dishes before getting it right(?

No, supes are weak to radiation, it would just fry the Compound V out of their body

8-C nuclear explosions can completely fry out the Compound V from Homelander tiered supes, they most definitely couldn't withstand 7-C nuclear explosions

I know, I meant in terms of powers (also, we have seen supes survive the attacks that burn their V, even Maeve survived a flor from hundreds of feet tall after a SB explosion and was fine, so technically they could take the nuke but lose their powers)

As I said, this was more based around the fact that an specific set of nuclear weapons was mentioned to kill them (the strongest of its time pretty much), which could imply anything weaker would fail.
But apparently that wasn't enough LOL

 

[Just_Butchering]

if he was as strong as a H-Bomb

Well, I'm scaling him below H-bomb and more like Atomic bomb, but I get you(?

 

[Omegas03]

We'll probably need more evidence for it but I believe 7-C to 7-B Homelander and those who scale to him is possible. Count me on neutral

Don't forget about Stillwell's statement (may be a lie or just hype but it hasn't still been proved as such, unlike the comics).

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah no, this literally has never been proven with anything Homelander has consistently shown on visuals. And the explosion feat he tanked so far, still isn't enough for tier 7 nor does it make it any more possible that he would actually survive the World's most powerful bomb. And those statements of Homelander claiming he could destroy a city is most likely hyperbole and he's never actually proven to have actually done it.

I’d note the H-Bomb is a hard limit so it’s an at best 7-B

 

[Jason_Courne]

I know, I meant in terms of powers (also, we have seen supes survive the attacks that burn their V, even Maeve survived a flor from hundreds of feet tall after a SB explosion and was fine, so technically they could take the nuke but lose their powers)

Keep in mind Soldier Boy's explosions are nearly 300x weaker than Maeve or Homelander, but could just as easily kill both of them just due to radiation, a standard nuke would be thousands of times higher than the nuclear power that could fry either supe
Normal humans are 9-B so Maeve surviving the fall is kinda irrelevant

As I said, this was more based around the fact that an specific set of nuclear weapons was mentioned to kill them (the strongest of its time pretty much), which could imply anything weaker would fail.

Just because someone points out a high end, doesn't mean the low end is nonexistant
Here's a link to a ballistic dummy vs a 12 gauge, since they specifically chose the shotgun, does that mean the dummy is bulletproof to pistol rounds?

 

[AThe1412]

Keep in mind Soldier Boy's explosions are nearly 300x weaker than Maeve or Homelander, but could just as easily kill both of them just due to radiation, a standard nuke would be thousands of times higher than the nuclear power that could fry either supe
Normal humans are 9-B so Maeve surviving the fall is kinda irrelevant

Not every normal human in the verse is 9-B. Hughie for example is 9-B in durability but only 10-B in SS. Sage who is a supe is only 10-B.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Not every normal human in the verse is 9-B. Hughie for example is 9-B in durability but only 10-B in SS. Sage who is a supe is only 10-B.

Hughie is 10-B because he's an untrained human, otherwise everyone else is 9-B in both durability and AP. And since Maeve is a physically skilled and trained combatant, she should be superior or at least comparable to someone like Hughie in durability

And tbf on Sister Sage's part... it's mostly because she does nothing, human level is just the defacto tier for characters who have no feats whatsoever

 

[AThe1412]

Hughie is 10-B because he's an untrained human, otherwise everyone else is 9-B in both durability and AP. And since Maeve is a physically skilled and trained combatant, she should be superior or at least comparable to someone like Hughie in durability

She has only ever been seen training with her power though. There's no guaranteed that she'll be at peak human condition without it.

And tbf on Sister Sage's part... it's mostly because she does nothing, human level is just the defacto tier for characters who have no feats whatsoever

MM incapacitated her with a single shot to the head and she only survived thanks to regeneration.

 

[Jason_Courne]

She has only ever been seen training with her power though. There's no guaranteed that she'll be at peak human condition without it.

Nah she is also physically skilled in combat, and that was the main difference between her and Homelander. It would be the same situation with Hughie, as he's had no formal training whatsoever and is still 9-B durability

And this point is kinda mute as she survived a 9-B fall without her powers

MM incapacitated her with a single shot to the head and she only survived thanks to regeneration.

Yeah she was shot by a gun, those things still work against 9-B characters's due to piercing damage

 

[SlendVeny]

MM incapacitated her with a single shot to the head and she only survived thanks to regeneration.

Yeah, bullets would do that to MM too? Kimiko gets holes shot through her with bullets all the time.

 

[ByAsura]

This same evidence has been brought up before, and it was always rejected outside of just being support for current ratings.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Keep in mind Soldier Boy's explosions are nearly 300x weaker than Maeve or Homelander, but could just as easily kill both of them just due to radiation, a standard nuke would be thousands of times higher than the nuclear power that could fry either supe
Normal humans are 9-B so Maeve surviving the fall is kinda irrelevant

He literally didn't kill them though? He depowered Maeve and Kimiko and they survived (add that Kimiko got blasted through a wall with a calc of 9-A, so yeah, they can survive what depowers them. But also, Butcher didn't know what radiation does to V, so when he made that comment, he was only talking about explosive power. Hell, he didn't even know what kind of weapon was used, he just made a comparison)

This same evidence has been brought up before, and it was always rejected outside of just being support for current ratings.

I can see why, it's based on an statement without much backup (though The Boys is a lot of tell don't show lol), but I thought it could at least be considered for a "possibly" rating

 

[Jason_Courne]

He literally didn't kill them though? He depowered Maeve and Kimiko and they survived (add that Kimiko got blasted through a wall with a calc of 9-A, so yeah, they can survive what depowers them. But also, Butcher didn't know what radiation does to V, so when he made that comment, he was only talking about explosive power. Hell, he didn't even know what kind of weapon was used, he just made a comparison)

Soldier Boy was gearing out to wipe out everyone on the floor, and the fact that Maeve survived was treated like a miracle, everyone thought she died, hell Homelander thought she died after she gave him an impromptu lobotomy with a metal straw

Or Butcher is an unreliable narrator, for a variety of reasons. Also, just because Butcher uses a Hydrogen Bomb as an example, doesn't mean Homelander could face tank a nuke, in which case you can refer to my previous comment of:

Here's a link to a ballistic dummy vs a 12 gauge, since they specifically chose the shotgun, does that mean the dummy is bulletproof to pistol rounds?

 

[Pyro9278]

The statements about surviving a weapon of mass destruction may be true, but they are so ambiguous that nothing denies (and neither proves) that they refer to being 1 meter away or more than 100 meters away, which can reduce the impact they might receive. This can give many people the illusion that they can withstand a nuclear or hydrogen bomb when in reality they are only withstanding the shockwave, likely at level 8-A or at most level 7-C, as the OP mentions.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Soldier Boy was gearing out to wipe out everyone on the floor, and the fact that Maeve survived was treated like a miracle, everyone thought she died, hell Homelander thought she died after she gave him an impromptu lobotomy with a metal straw

I... I don't I get your point?
Also she only damaged his internal ear, that's all.

in which case you can refer to my previous comment of:

But that's terrible example. They choose that weapon to show what it can do. Butcher here picked a type of bomb when trying to imagine a weapon that could kill a Homelander-level threat

 

[Jason_Courne]

I... I don't I get your point?
Also she only damaged his internal ear, that's all.

Soldier Boy was going to kill everyone with his blast
Everyone thought Maeve was killed by the explosion, even Homelander, who Maeve proved she was comparable to, thought she was dead. The fact she survived is treated like a miracle

But that's terrible example. They choose that weapon to show what it can do. Butcher here picked a type of bomb when trying to imagine a weapon that could kill a Homelander-level threat

No it's literally the exact same example "To kill that man, it must've been a 12 gauge slug..." So he's bulletproof to 9mm?

That's not how it works, all we get from that statement is Hydrogen Bomb >>> Homelander and Soldier Boy

 

[Just_Butchering]

Soldier Boy was going to kill everyone with his blast
Everyone thought Maeve was killed by the explosion, even Homelander, who Maeve proved she was comparable to, thought she was dead. The fact she survived is treated like a miracle

But she survived... So?
And killing everyone could also just be because the explosion would collapse the building into a bunch of depowered people.

No it's literally the exact same example "To kill that man, it must've been a 12 gauge slug..." So he's bulletproof to 9mm?

That's not how it works, all we get from that statement is Hydrogen Bomb >>> Homelander and Soldier Boy

It's literally not. The video is about which is more reliable/effective, not that a pistol would fail (though depending on where you hit, the attacker can survive a 9mm, but even a misplaced shot from a shotgun would f*** you over).

In the scene, Butcher is trying to think of what weapon could possibly kill Homelander, him already knowing damn well he is bulletproof and resistant to a bunch of stuff (and by this point he should already know HL is Invulnerable). So the fact that he goes for the strongest weapon available, means lesser thing would possibly (the word i keep using) fail.

 

[Jason_Courne]

You are vastly overestimating this scene, it's Butcher offhandedly going "What could kill Soldier Boy? A hydrogen bomb", and this is completely contradicted by the fact that nuclear radiation alone is enough to deal with Homelander, let alone a several kiloton explosive yield alongside it.

Which further completely removes any validity of this statement for scaling as Butcher also simply didn't actually know what was the weapon or what "killed" Soldier Boy

 

[King_Dom470]

Agree because it's cool

 

[Pyro9278]

As I mentioned before, I would agree to give it a possibly Low 7-C, although it should be taken with a grain of salt since the statements made are not entirely conclusive for the classification.

 

[SheevShezarrine]