The Boys 8A Upgrade/Downscaling

[FireSwordHero]

Ok so let me be clear, I don't think anyone scales to Homelander proper, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that a majority of The Boys characters deserve an 8A upgrade, courtesy of a reasonable downscaling from the Main Supe C*nt himself.

Lets go through them one by one:

Stormfront

• Repeatedly look Homelander's laser beam attack to the chest for a prolonged period of time (Homelander even states that the attack would cut in her in half, and at this point in the story had no reason to hold back due to his hatred for her). Attack did injure her yes, but being able to withstand it for sometime suggests a reliable 8A downscale, since Laser Beams > Homelander's physical strength.
• Required the combined might of 3 supers to overwhelm when 2 wasn't enough.
• Nothing in the story contradicts this tiering despite the latters defeat.
  • Rebecca Butcher did stab her eyes - but this is more to do with her eyes being a weakpoint than anyone else
  • Ryan overwhelmed Stormfront, but it has been stated that his powers are potentially stronger than his dads, and is shown in season 2 with his laser vision oneshotting stormfront when his dad's couldn't.

Black Noir

• Considered reliable by Homelander (though statement is unclear)
• Was dangerous enough that even though Season 2 Queen Maeve could restrain him, she relied on exploiting his tree nut allergy to do so.
  • Would later go on to restrain and overwhelm Season 3 Queen Maeve, who has gotten much stronger since then and is also 8A.

Queen Maeve (Season 2)

• Could restrain Black Noir in Season 2.
• Could reliably injure and draw blood from Stormfront, who could withstand Homelander's Heat Vision.

The Peak

• HAHAHAHA no

Victoria Neuman (Possibly)

• Was able to withstand Homelander's Heat Vision in Season 4, though it is implied he can alter the intensity of the laser, and the attack was never meant to kill in the first place.

Now, it is worth noting that Annie and Kimiko did help in fighting off Stormfront, but they could only make progress once Queen Maeve joined them and neither really held and advantage against her until that point, so it would be safe to keep them at their current tiers, as aside from that scene with stormfront, these two were unable to succeed against any other individuals who are currently or will be upgraded to 8A, at least on their own.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Repeatedly look Homelander's laser beam attack to the chest for a prolonged period of time (Homelander even states that the attack would cut in her in half, and at this point in the story had no reason to hold back due to his hatred for her). Attack did injure her yes, but being able to withstand it for sometime suggests a reliable 8A downscale, since Laser Beams > Homelander's physical strength.

Homelander was definitely holding back, he was just playing a sexual/masochistic game. Homelander's statement proves that Stormfront cannot survive the heat vision, he only increased the power of his lasers to burn Stormfront, not to kill her.

Considered reliable by Homelander (though statement is unclear)

This absolutely does not prove that Black Noir downscales Homelander.

Would later go on to restrain and overwhelm Season 3 Queen Maeve, who has gotten much stronger since then and is also 8A.

Homelander was there, he probably helped Black Noir.

Was able to withstand Homelander's Heat Vision in Season 4, though it is implied he can alter the intensity of the laser, and the attack was never meant to kill in the first place.

This is not enough even for a "possibly" rating. Homelander didn't intend to kill or even hurt her.

I disagree with this CRT.

 

[StarShooter80]

Disagree FRA

 

[Excellence616]

Disagree FRA

 

[Emerald]

Stormfront

• Repeatedly look Homelander's laser beam attack to the chest for a prolonged period of time (Homelander even states that the attack would cut in her in half, and at this point in the story had no reason to hold back due to his hatred for her). Attack did injure her yes, but being able to withstand it for sometime suggests a reliable 8A downscale, since Laser Beams > Homelander's physical strength.

Nah. Homelander mostly did this to intimidate her, and it backfired cause she was into it, remember that Homelander can adjust the AP of his laser beams.

• Required the combined might of 3 supers to overwhelm when 2 wasn't enough.

That doesn't mean much. Kimiko and Starlight can make her bleed, and Queen Maeve easily overpowered Stormfront.

Nothing in the story contradicts this tiering despite the latters defeat.

• Rebecca Butcher did stab her eyes - but this is more to do with her eyes being a weakpoint than anyone else
• Ryan overwhelmed Stormfront, but it has been stated that his powers are potentially stronger than his dads, and is shown in season 2 with his laser vision oneshotting stormfront when his dad's couldn't.

Heck this is more confirmation that she shouldn't scale. Ryan couldn't really harm Soldier Boy, who is inferior to Homelander, while Stormfront got destroyed.

Black Noir

• Considered reliable by Homelander (though statement is unclear)

He's reliable cause he is not that afraid of Homelander, is a good and cold assassin that doesn't bother Homelander. Him being reliable does not mean he scales to 8_A.

Was dangerous enough that even though Season 2 Queen Maeve could restrain him, she relied on exploiting his tree nut allergy to do so.

• Would later go on to restrain and overwhelm Season 3 Queen Maeve, who has gotten much stronger since then and is also 8A.

The fact that S2 QM could overpower him is more than enough reason for him to not scale. The S3 event should be considered an outlier ngl, considering Maeve was trading blows with Homelander and made him bleed like twice, and was stated that she could win if the battle continued. Also let me remind that Homie literally Donut'd Noir with a punch, so like....

Queen Maeve (Season 2)

• Could restrain Black Noir in Season 2.
• Could reliably injure and draw blood from Stormfront, who could withstand Homelander's Heat Vision.

Read text above

The Peak

• HAHAHAHA no

Considering the scaling you are trying to propose, he would scale due to A-Train and Starlight scaling

Victoria Neuman (Possibly)

• Was able to withstand Homelander's Heat Vision in Season 4, though it is implied he can alter the intensity of the laser, and the attack was never meant to kill in the first place.

Again. He can alter the intensity of his lasers

Now, it is worth noting that Annie and Kimiko did help in fighting off Stormfront, but they could only make progress once Queen Maeve joined them and neither really held and advantage against her until that point, so it would be safe to keep them at their current tiers, as aside from that scene with stormfront, these two were unable to succeed against any other individuals who are currently or will be upgraded to 8A, at least on their own.

That doesn't mean much. Kimiko and Starlight can harm her and make her bleed. An 8-A would just no diff an 8-C. So yea no

 

[Emerald]

TL;DR: put me in disagree

 

[AThe1412]

Disagree FRA.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

The fact that S2 QM could overpower him is more than enough reason for him to not scale. The S3 event should be considered an outlier ngl, considering Maeve was trading blows with Homelander and made him bleed like twice, and was stated that she could win if the battle continued. Also let me remind that Homie literally Donut'd Noir with a punch, so like....

Tbf, Homelander was holding back during this fight, he didn't want to kill her, but ultimately yeah Black Noir who upscale/scale to S3 Maeve still doesn't make sense (and maybe Homelander just helped Black Noir)

 

[Just_Butchering]

Who let bro cook

 

[Nami_Kami]

Yeah, Stormfront does not scale to Homelander's full AP. That scale died when Kimiko and Starlight of all people could injure her. HL definitely held back, thinking this much force would be enough to take her out.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Who let bro cook

He was trying to cook with HL’s heat vision

 

[Nami_Kami]

Also I'm pretty sure it's implied Numan used her power to stop the beam from hitting her. You see her eyes white, like when she uses her popping powers. So she didn't tank it.

Also HL can adjust the laser's power too.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Also I'm pretty sure it's implied Numan used her power to stop the beam from hitting her. You see her eyes white, like when she uses her popping powers.

I think it was her responde to sudden danger. Like, "mf laser'd me, gotta attack back" kinda instinct"

 

[FireSwordHero]

Nah. Homelander mostly did this to intimidate her, and it backfired cause she was into it, remember that Homelander can adjust the AP of his laser beams.

Homelander had no real reason to hold back

That doesn't mean much. Kimiko and Starlight can make her bleed, and Queen Maeve easily overpowered Stormfront.

Only once Queen Maeve joined in. By that point, Stormfront was on the back foot and Queen Maeve had already drawn her blood, so Annie and Kimiko joining in only meant a weakened Stormfront was facing off against 2 weaker Supes.

Heck this is more confirmation that she shouldn't scale. Ryan couldn't really harm Soldier Boy, who is inferior to Homelander, while Stormfront got destroyed.

First of all, its a downscale, not a full direct scale. I never once stated Stormfront should scale to Homelander's full power.

Secondly, Ryan's powers were inconcistent before that point due to his lack of growth. Not to mention he had used them against someone who's already has a resistance to high temperatures (something that Stormfront lacks).

He's reliable cause he is not that afraid of Homelander, is a good and cold assassin that doesn't bother Homelander. Him being reliable does not mean he scales to 8_A.

Again, never implied it to be 100 fact that he scales, it was just something to note.

The fact that S2 QM could overpower him is more than enough reason for him to not scale. The S3 event should be considered an outlier ngl, considering Maeve was trading blows with Homelander and made him bleed like twice, and was stated that she could win if the battle continued. Also let me remind that Homie literally Donut'd Noir with a punch, so like....

Season 2 Queen Maeve was able to restrain Black Noir for a time, yes, but her exploiting his allergy implies that the former couldn't beat the latter in a one on one fight. Even when she had gotten stronger, Noir was still able to get the jump on her, and there's nothing to suggest that Noir had gotten stronger like Maeve did, so he would still be comparable to her. So not only would Noir scale higher, so would Season 2 Maeve due to being comparable and because she could fight with Stormfront.

Considering the scaling you are trying to propose, he would scale due to A-Train and Starlight scaling

It was a joke, and I never implied A train or Starlight would scale either.

Again. He can alter the intensity of his lasers

Stating something I already said doesn't make you smarter or debunk what I said. The fact that Neuman withstood it with no damage to herself (not even a burn) while Stormfront took the same attack with actual damage means that Neuman would be stronger than Stormfront, at least in terms of Durability.

Who let bro cook

He was trying to cook with HL’s heat vision

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

No u

 

[Dinozxd]

Following and leaning on disagreeing.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Homelander had no real reason to hold back

Homelander genuinely loved her at this point, and he was literally worried when Stormfront said it hurt and he stopped his lasers. It was just sexual and Homelander was holding back

Season 2 Queen Maeve was able to restrain Black Noir for a time, yes, but her exploiting his allergy implies that the former couldn't beat the latter in a one on one fight. Even when she had gotten stronger, Noir was still able to get the jump on her, and there's nothing to suggest that Noir had gotten stronger like Maeve did, so he would still be comparable to her. So not only would Noir scale higher, so would Season 2 Maeve due to being comparable and because she could fight with Stormfront.

Homelander said in a deleted scene (accepted as canon) from S1 that he and Maeve are the two most powerful beings on the planet, therefore Maeve > Noir, and there is no proof that Noir kidnapped Maeve alone because Homelander was also there, he may have helped him.

It was a joke, and I never implied A train or Starlight would scale either.

If Stormfront is 8-A, so are Starlight and Kimiko, and therefore A-Train and The Deep too. All characters that are currently 9-A/8-C (most of The Boys characters) will be 8-A.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Stating something I already said doesn't make you smarter or debunk what I said. The fact that Neuman withstood it with no damage to herself (not even a burn) while Stormfront took the same attack with actual damage means that Neuman would be stronger than Stormfront, at least in terms of Durability.

Stormfront was burned because that's what she wanted, she's maso, and since Homelander loves her he hurt her. For Neuman, Homelander had no intention of hurting her, he just used his lasers to make her react instinctively to the attack and show her powers.

 

[Emerald]

Homelander had no real reason to hold back

Homelander was interested in her and mostly did this as a form of intimidation. And it didn't work cause Stormfront is Stormfront.

Only once Queen Maeve joined in. By that point, Stormfront was on the back foot and Queen Maeve had already drawn her blood, so Annie and Kimiko joining in only meant a weakened Stormfront was facing off against 2 weaker Supes.

Queen Maeve joining in just meant that they had a stronger Supe to contend with Stormfront, but that doesn't mean that they were now magically able to harm an 8-A even though they are 8-C at best. They still could harm Stormfront eitherway.

First of all, its a downscale, not a full direct scale. I never once stated Stormfront should scale to Homelander's full power.

Secondly, Ryan's powers were inconcistent before that point due to his lack of growth. Not to mention he had used them against someone who's already has a resistance to high temperatures (something that Stormfront lacks).

I fail to see how this would be downscaling when we know a guy that's considered inferior to Homelander was ok after getting hit by Ryan's lasers, while Stormfront looked like Anakin Skywalker in Episode 3 after getting hit by them. The gap is just huge.
They were more so inconsistent cause he didn't know how to use them in any capacity, it was only through moments of rage that he could use them, which is what happened in both instances with Stormfront and Soldier Boy.
Both can be harmed and burned by the laser eyes, so not really a temperature thing

Season 2 Queen Maeve was able to restrain Black Noir for a time, yes, but her exploiting his allergy implies that the former couldn't beat the latter in a one on one fight. Even when she had gotten stronger, Noir was still able to get the jump on her, and there's nothing to suggest that Noir had gotten stronger like Maeve did, so he would still be comparable to her. So not only would Noir scale higher, so would Season 2 Maeve due to being comparable and because she could fight with Stormfront.

The fact that she held him and incapacitated him that easily shows how strong she is, and also the whole number 2 supe which is consistent with other showings. Also she did this bcs it was more practical than just beating his ass, forcing him to eat a peanut ensures that he would be incapacitated for a long time and wouldn't be a threat to Annie.
Like how other users said above, we don't know what happened when Noir jumped her. For all we know, Homelander could've joined in and helped him out. Also we know S2 and S3 Maeve arent that comparable cause we know she trained for months and took her training very seriously just for her to be anywhere near as close as Homelander.

It was a joke, and I never implied A train or Starlight would scale either.

They would through a scaling chain. Starlight and Kimiko can harm Stormfront who can tank attacks from QMaeve, Starlight can survive attacks from Noir and so does Kimiko

Stating something I already said doesn't make you smarter or debunk what I said. The fact that Neuman withstood it with no damage to herself (not even a burn) while Stormfront took the same attack with actual damage means that Neuman would be stronger than Stormfront, at least in terms of Durability.

Again, we don't know how much Homelander was trying against Neuman, he was doing that just to reveal to the US that she was a Supe. There's no reason to assume he was using a full power laser against her.