• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

League of Legends Discussion Thread 4

Status
Not open for further replies.
If she has anything to do with the Dreadnova universe, she'd be 5-A automtically for having the most powerful weapon in the known universe, making her superior to Gangplank's cannons
 
Her Zero Hour Gun can literally tear opponents apart with gravity

Where was the black hole bullet thing again?
 
Well, that's what @Morlock435 said, at any rate, just figured it'd be an easy calc to run really fast.
 
MF does say "Have a black hole!" when she uses Zero Hour but id kinda like to see where it was stated in her teaser
 
Mind, that might not be the actual size of her bullets, either, her guns appear to be kinda... big

I imagine a black hole much larger than 10 mm in diameter would yield some form of Planet level.
 
Black Hole Eclipse

>Called Black Hole, looks like black hole, functions like black hole

>Deemed not a black hole

MF says "black hole"

>It's a black hole

?????
 
LoL kinda has a history of making their black holes as close to the real thing as scientifically possible, look at the Dark Stars dev blog its kinda crazy how much research they put into making them as realiztic as possible
 
There's still nothing more than words as well, so maybe wait for some more proof before going straight for the updates.
 
@Assalt I honestly disagree with Black Hole Eclipse not being a real black hole but thats just me
 
I'm new and I think I made the blog in a wrong place but Malzahar seemingly was buffed in the lore revamp.


Relevant passage- bolded parts of interest:

Among the nomads of the deep desert, he found his first disciples. Before their astonished eyes, he used his new Void-given powers to rend the very earth itself, summoning chittering, nightmarish creatures to carry away any who dared to deny him. Within a matter of months, strange rumors began to travel with the merchant caravans; rumors of men and women gladly sacrificing themselves to unseen powers, and of powerful quakes opening up the bedrock of Shurima in new fault lines hundreds of miles long.


Also just curious but can someone tell me why the champions are scaled to one another on this site? Rioters have repeatedly stated on the Boards that the champions don't always exist in the same time and place as one another and the cinematics make it pretty clear the champions aren't equal even if they were to fight since Nautilus owns the shit out of not one, but three champions.
 
@Friendly Assaltwaffle will be doing the calculation soon

Why would characters who can fight each other on even grounds not scale to each other? Even in the lore a majority of the cast scales to each other in some way. And Nautilus is explicitly stronger, his page even reflects this, as do several of the pages where champions are explicitly stronger than others.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Friendly Assaltwaffle will be doing the calculation soon
Why would characters who can fight each other on even grounds not scale to each other? Even in the lore a majority of the cast scales to each other in some way. And Nautilus is explicitly stronger, his page even reflects this.
Click to expand...
The characters never fought on equal grounds for the most part though- that's not a thing.

Nautilus never fought anyone in canon aside from the Black Mist- yet he's listed as Town Level because he fought an army that MF and Gangplank fought. If you then look at MF and Gangplank's pages, they are listed as town purely because of Garen, who there is no lore mention whatsoever of them battling. Much less of them tanking the specific attack Garen has that is supposedly town-level since it's not just any attack that's so powerful.
 
Its not at all unfounded. You do know how scaling works right? They dont have to have all directly founght Garen to scale to him, or any of the other consistent tier 7 feats present throughout the verse, to scale to them.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its not at all unfounded. You do know how scaling works right? They dont have to have all directly founght Garen to scale to him, or any of the other consistent tier 7 feats present throughout the verse, to scale to them.
Click to expand...
So just for reference, is everyone going to scale to Malzahar's result of that calc if it's better? Even though in the lore literally nobody has taken on Malz at all now? Holding own, winning, or otherwise?

This doesn't strike you as odd?
 
Malz doesnt scale to anyone anymore, at least not at the moment, so no. If someone ends up fighting him they would scale yes
 
First you say we can scale everyone to Garen and the other's feats even though they've never fought or even met each other, then you say no one scales to Malz and the only way they'd scale is if they fought him. What kind of logic is this??
 
@Regis No one has fought Malz period with the new lore, whereas people have actually fought Garen which gives us a scaling basis

The only way anyone would scale to Malz currently is if his magic ends up yielding more than the current feat for the World Runes which would likely upgrade Ryze and Galio
 
Ah yes, the gameplay based cinematic which is totally accurate lore wise, considering that TF is right now in Bilgewater, Kata is in Noxus, Tryndamere in the Frejlord, Annie in the Noxian forests, and a random Baron Nashor.
 
Actually eh, you can use the other no-name Demacian knights (and the old instructor) during Garen's training as the starting point for any reasonable scaling. They were able to pull 400-ton statues (assuming Garen is more realistically like 6 foot 7 rather than 6 foot 0, making him closer to Darius's height, which would increase the result by 32%) even if it was only at around 5 km per hour, which still makes the feat extremely impressive.

No-name mooks being 100-tonners each is a pretty high baseline that Runeterran humanity possesses. It's no wonder that a small group of them were able to kill several of Poppy's skyscraper-sized rock monsters in a single day even before she arrived.
 
Jarvan I can accept, but don't lie about Nocturne please, you have no proof supporting that statement at all, only what a Rioter came up with as a suggestion.
 
@Regis WTF are ou talking about, Katarina and Garen being rivals is almost as old as LoL itself, even before that cinematic came out.

It was Nocturne and there is more than enough proof to support it being Nocturne. I really dont appreciate you flat out calling me a liar because i refuse to bow to your bias and downplay
 
Rivals doesn't make them equals, you need more proof than that. And I've already pointed out why the cinematic shouldn't be used anyway.

No there isn't any proof at all, I've already debunked this. You just refuse to listen because of your bias.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Malz doesnt scale to anyone anymore, at least not at the moment, so no. If someone ends up fighting him they would scale yes
Click to expand...
Okay, so why does this not apply to Garen's supposed town-level attack? I'm not trying to be trouble mind you- I just don't really get the logic. Not only has Garen not fought 90% of the cast (at best I think you could argue for Demacia champs and maybe Noxus ones, but he's presumably never fought most of them either), that 90% has varying showings of what they're capable of.


Kat for example was totally KO'd by Garen's attack, she was out and not moving, and her own attacks basically did nothing to him in the cinematic they share- so for example we know she doesn't scale to him. Within the same cinematic the calc is (partially) taken from we already are shown either Garen or Katarina isn't in the same tier as the rest of the champions.


Later we see Katarina fighting basically evenly with Rengar in another cinematic- so Rengar isn't on the same tier as Garen either since nothing insists otherwise and he was struggling against an inferior opponent. Rengar (and everyone else) was showing basically the same strength and durability in that cinematic- so why is anyone scaling to Garen? Nautilus was kicking all sorts of booty in that cinematic but exhibited no Town-level feats himself. He was also taken out by an admittedly large rock falling on him- and that was with his shield too.


Why are these people who aren't showing town-level feats, and in fact being defeated by 0bjectively lesser feats, being scaled to someone who did? Especially when it's a specific attack- not a generic strike? Garen doesn't have to use his DEMACIA on just anybody and that's the only ability that has the designation.


On that note- any idea what durability you'd get for walking on the ocean floor? That's apparently Naut's schtick now- he runs around on the bottom of the sea and randomly tosses his anchor to the surface to sink boats in a single blow.
 
@Regis YES IT DOES. Saying it doesnt goes against all of the rules of scaling on this wiki. We're using the cinematics regrdless of what you want.

You have debunked nothing, and there is more than enough proof.
 
@Friendly Because no one in general has fought or even had contact with Malzahar, its the same reason we dont scale everyone to Sol or Zoe or the Targonian Aspects, whereas people on Garens level have been able to keep up with and fight each other, not to mention Garen basically amounts to being nothing but a strong human, which would serve as a baseline for the verse.

Kat traded blows with and was able to damage Garen, hence why she would scale to him, on top of them canonically being rivals.

Rengar would scale to Garen due to fighting Katarina.

Youre new here yes? Characters dont have to display Town level feats to be rated Town level via scaling.

Lesser feats dont discredit consistently higher feats.

Walking on the sea floor isnt actually all that impressive.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Friendly Because no one in general has fought or even had contact with Malzahar, its the same reason we dont scale everyone to Sol or Zoe or the Targonian Aspects, whereas people on Garens level have been able to keep up with and fight each other, not to mention Garen basically amounts to being nothing but a strong human, which would serve as a baseline for the verse.
Kat traded blows with and was able to damage Garen, hence why she would scale to him, on top of them canonically being rivals.

Rengar would scale to Garen due to fighting Katarina.

Youre new here yes? Characters dont have to display Town level feats to be rated Town level via scaling.

Lesser feats dont discredit consistently higher feats.

Walking on the sea floor isnt actually all that impressive.
Click to expand...
For starts- I don't know why Garen's feat is "town-level". That calc involves taking the size from the cinematic but the speed from gameplay to get a result that is shown in neither. We see the aftermath of Garen's attack in the cinematic- he busted through a stone roof and that's it. It wasn't town-level unless you deliberately ignore what it did in the cinematic and use other information.

Kat wasn't even directly hit by the attack- it hit next to her and KO'd her. She doesn't scale to that attack- and only that ability is what gives Garen his town-rating. You can't take gameplay to support how abilities function and then ignore that only one of the in-game abilities has that much power can you? How is that in any way logical?

"Lesser feats don't discredit consistently higher feats"

Uhh- what would these consistently higher feats be? Because seemingly all the characters on here that are town are town only because of Garen or outdated lore- no other feats mentioned beyond supposedly being equal to Garen. Garen himself is one of the best fighters in Demacia with some of the best equipment so I don't know why just anyone would be scaling to him.
 
The Kinetic Energy of the sword yielded town level results, its basic physics really.

Because people on Garen's level can tank said attack and keep fighting, and Kat still traded blows with Garen before that.

Udyr fighting Ao Shin who is the size of a small mountain, Janna creating and manipulating weather on a wide scale, Braum busting a good portion of a mountain with his punches, Rammus causing magnitude 6 earthquakes, Nami creating tsunamis, Ziggs' Mega Inferno Bomb utilizing nuclear fission, Urgot being at the epicenter of an explosion which rivaled the explosion that created the city of Zaun, Rek'Sai laying waste to multiple Shuriman cities, and Kassadin and Kai'Sa fighting and killing Voidborn that would be well into tier 7 through their sheer size, all tier 7 feats. Technically Darius has a feat of tanking a meteorite that yielded 7-C as well. Though i understand your confusion, and its mostly my fault for leaving the profiles like that, as im currntly trying to update them to better reflect the scaling throughout the verse.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Regis YES IT DOES. Saying it doesnt goes against all of the rules of scaling on this wiki. We're using the cinematics regrdless of what you want.

You have debunked nothing, and there is more than enough proof.
Click to expand...
I've never denied not using all cinematics, just ones which aren't connected to the lore in anyway and are just glorified ads for the game and gameplay. Cinematics like Warwick's teaser, Ekko's teaser, Xayah and Rakan's teaser are all usable for feats.

I have debunked it, it is you who keeps on insisting it is Nocturne without any proof at all.
 
@Regis The guy who wrote the story said it was Nocturne, what more proof do you need?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Udyr fighting Ao Shin who is the size of a small mountain, Janna creating and manipulating weather on a wide scale, Braum busting a good portion of a mountain with his punches, Rammus causing magnitude 6 earthquakes, Nami creating tsunamis, Ziggs' Mega Inferno Bomb utilizing nuclear fission, Urgot being at the epicenter of an explosion which rivaled the explosion that created the city of Zaun, Rek'Sai laying waste to multiple Shuriman cities, and Kassadin and Kai'Sa fighting and killing Voidborn that would be well into tier 7 through their sheer size, all tier 7 feats. Technically Darius has a feat of tanking a meteorite that yielded 7-C as well. Though i understand your confusion, and its mostly my fault for leaving the profiles like that, as im currntly trying to update them to better reflect the scaling throughout the verse.
Click to expand...
Let's see:

Udyr's feat: Scales to no one since he doesn't fight any champions at all. Janna's feat: Again, same as above. Ziggs' feat: How is that even 7C? Urgot's feat: Unquantified and vague since it never states that he was at the epicentre of the explosion, only that he started a riot which eventually caused an explosion. Rammus' feat: Scales to no one, since he never fights any champions. Braum's feat: Same as Rammus. Nami's feat: Same as Rammus. Rek'Sai's feat: Same as Rammus. Kassadin's feat: Same as Rammus. Kai'Sa: Same as Rammus.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

TMaakkonen
DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
334 335 336
Replies
13K
Views
612K
TartaChocholate
TartaChocholate
XTXidk3251
Possible upgrades for ML verse
Replies
19
Views
2K
Cautiousexedius
Cautiousexedius
Ednaxel2
Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
12 13 14
Replies
534
Views
33K
CelestialVortex01
CelestialVortex01
H3110l12345I20
The Slender Mythos General Discussion Thread
Replies
4
Views
339
H3110l12345I20
H3110l12345I20
Just_Butchering
The Boys Season 4 Discussion Thread
7 8 9
Replies
354
Views
19K
DaReaperMan
DaReaperMan
Back
Top