• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Layers of tier 0.

Messages
16,968
Reaction score
11,315
We know that layers/dimensions works similar, a higher layer that see the lower just as fiction, works similar to how a higher dimensions works, however, they said that dimensionality can go up to High 1-A, but about layers, it can exist Layers of tier 0 here? like, a tier 0 hierarchy, when each one layer of tier 0 see the previous layer of tier 0 just as fiction?
 
We know that layers/dimensions works similar, a higher layer that see the lower just as fiction, works similar to how a higher dimensions works, however, they said that dimensionality can go up to High 1-A, but about layers, it can exist Layers of tier 0 here? like, a tier 0 hierarchy, when each one layer of tier 0 see the previous layer of tier 0 just as fiction?
yes
 
So, if layers of tier 0 can exist, why not dimensions? They work in the same way
because by that level, a being should be so far beyond all dimensions by the point that they should be unbound my dimensions in their entirety however a "dimensioned" character in verse could be tier 0 and have higher "dimensions" above them however it would need a ridiculous and when I say ridiculous I mean ridiculous amount of proof
 
because by that level, a being should be so far beyond all dimensions by the point that they should be unbound my dimensions in their entirety however a "dimensioned" character in verse could be tier 0 and have higher "dimensions" above them however it would need a ridiculous and when I say ridiculous I mean ridiculous amount of proof
but isnt dimensions almost the same as hierachies? why Dimensions need a lot of proof but Hierachies doesnt?
 
but isnt dimensions almost the same as hierachies? why Dimensions need a lot of proof but Hierachies doesnt?
because by high 1-A if memory serves me right is the point at which you should are beyond all form of dimensions mathematical or not, so calling them dimensioned in verse increases the proof you would need to make them tier 0
 
because by high 1-A if memory serves me right is the point at which you should are beyond all form of dimensions mathematical or not, so calling them dimensioned in verse increases the proof you would need to make them tier 0
I see
 
1-A characters are even Undimensioned & Tier 0 characters are so gar transcends the Concepts of dimensions usually it would stupid to habe them dimensions on top of that instead of hierarchy which would make far more sense
 
because by high 1-A if memory serves me right is the point at which you should are beyond all form of dimensions mathematical or not, so calling them dimensioned in verse increases the proof you would need to make them tier 0
No 1-A is already completely tly beyond dimensionality
 
nope, at 1-A i am pretty sure it is only spatiotemporal dimensions with high 1-A being mathematical dimensions from what I can remember
Those are considered dimensions?
 
No? dimensions arent tracending you can always tracend something by adding a concept even bigger like how omega conjuncts can tracends alephs and beyond
 
We know that layers/dimensions works similar, a higher layer that see the lower just as fiction, works similar to how a higher dimensions works, however, they said that dimensionality can go up to High 1-A, but about layers, it can exist Layers of tier 0 here? like, a tier 0 hierarchy, when each one layer of tier 0 see the previous layer of tier 0 just as fiction?
No, so the whole reason we have layers above baseline 1-A is there exist higher aleph's. Aleph 2 is baseline 1-A, then we go into aleph 3, which would be a higher layer above baseline 1-A, aleph 4 would be 2 higher layers above baseline 1-A, etc. High 1-A is defined as a inaccessible cardinal, but it doesn't work like uncountable infinities/aleph's, there's no higher inaccessible cardinal 1, 2, 3, etc. There's only Inaccessible cardinal's. Tier 0 is supposably a Mahlo Cardinal, which again doesn't have higher tiers like alephs, so High 1-A and Tier 0 don't really have layers.
 
A tier high 1-A/0 verse can indeed have layers if the verse shows it.

SCP's narrative stack, for example, has infinite high 1-A layers. And it is explicitly shown that a higher layer sees the lower one as fiction. The Leviathan also has infinite high 1-A layers.
 
A tier high 1-A/0 verse can indeed have layers if the verse shows it.

SCP's narrative stack, for example, has infinite high 1-A layers. And it is explicitly shown that a higher layer sees the lower one as fiction. The Leviathan also has infinite high 1-A layers.
No, having layers into High 1-A and Tier 0 is fallacious. I can help you understand if you like.
 
No, having layers into High 1-A and Tier 0 is fallacious. I can help you understand if you like.
Any Tier 1-A, High1-A, and Tier 0 can have layers. If I make a High 1-A God in a story and I say there is a realm above his that transcends him in every way. Then that would be another layer into High 1-A. Same if I made a God that transcends and looks down upon Infinite High 1-A God's and their Realms as fiction. Then he's Tier 0 and if I say there is a God that of a higher existence transcending him then there is now another layer into Tier 0.
 
Any Tier 1-A, High1-A, and Tier 0 can have layers. If I make a High 1-A God in a story and I say there is a realm above his that transcends him in every way. Then that would be another layer into High 1-A. Same if I made a God that transcends and looks down upon Infinite High 1-A God's and their Realms as fiction. Then he's Tier 0 and if I say there is a God that of a higher existence transcending him then there is now another layer into Tier 0.
Ok, from my understanding you don't understand the mathematics of the tiers, and btw the tiers are made up off cardinalities, so this would make sense. The hole reason 1-A has layers, is because there are higher aleph's. 1-A is stated to be Aleph 2, while Low 1-A is Aleph 1. Now, the higher Aleph's like Aleph 3, would be a higher layer above baseline 1-A, Aleph 4 would be 2 layers above baseline 1-A, etc. Now, High 1-A is a little bit different, it's referred to as a inaccessible cardinal, which is way different too Aleph's. There's not exactly a Inaccessible Cardinal 1, 2, and 3, etc. It's generally just a inaccessible cardinal that is described as strongly-inaccessible, etc. So it would be paradoxical for there to be layers above High 1-A since it doesn't get utilized like Aleph's do. Tier 0 is the same, it's called a Mahlo Cardinal. Again, there isn't something called like Mahlo Cardinal 1, 2, and 3, etc. There is a regular Mahlo Cardinal that is inaccessible to a set of inaccessible cardinal's, etc. You understand? If you need me to clarify on something, I'll respond back.
 
Ok, from my understanding you don't understand the mathematics of the tiers, and btw the tiers are made up off cardinalities, so this would make sense. The hole reason 1-A has layers, is because there are higher aleph's. 1-A is stated to be Aleph 2, while Low 1-A is Aleph 1. Now, the higher Aleph's like Aleph 3, would be a higher layer above baseline 1-A, Aleph 4 would be 2 layers above baseline 1-A, etc. Now, High 1-A is a little bit different, it's referred to as a inaccessible cardinal, which is way different too Aleph's. There's not exactly a Inaccessible Cardinal 1, 2, and 3, etc. It's generally just a inaccessible cardinal that is described as strongly-inaccessible, etc. So it would be paradoxical for there to be layers above High 1-A since it doesn't get utilized like Aleph's do. Tier 0 is the same, it's called a Mahlo Cardinal. Again, there isn't something called like Mahlo Cardinal 1, 2, and 3, etc. There is a regular Mahlo Cardinal that is inaccessible to a set of inaccessible cardinal's, etc. You understand? If you need me to clarify on something, I'll respond back.
That's all well in good, but what I write isn't bound to the logic of this Wiki. If I write a Tier 0 Character and then Write a God Transcendent of that Tier 0, then they are a higher level of Tier 0. It doesn't make sense following the rules of Alephs or Cardinals, but that's how I wrote it so that's how it is. Cardinality is important but it takes a back seat when the Author strait up tells you they are a higher level of Tier 0 or High 1-A.

There are tons of profiles that do this, Twins Peak for example.
 
That's all well in good, but what I write isn't bound to the logic of this Wiki. If I write a Tier 0 Character and then Write a God Transcendent of that Tier 0, then they are a higher level of Tier 0. It doesn't make sense following the rules of Alephs or Cardinals, but that's how I wrote it so that's how it is. Cardinality is important but it takes a back seat when the Author strait up tells you they are a higher level of Tier 0 or High 1-A.

There are tons of profiles that do this, Twins Peak for example.
Well not exactly, so it depends on the length of the transcendence, for example like, inaccessible, infinite, etc. So let's say this God Transcendence is defined as a inaccessible transcendence, the tier would more defined as a higher cardinality, so when your Tier 0, you basically scale to a Mahlo Cardinal. This inaccessible transcendence to Tier 0, would just be you scaling to a Hyper-Mahlo Cardinal, which essentially is inaccessible to Mahlo Cardinal as Mahlo Cardinal's are inaccessible to inaccessible cardinal's, etc. So if your inaccessibly above Tier 0 (Mahlo Cardinal), then you would just scale to a higher cardinality within Set Theory, which generally would be Hyper-Mahlo's.
 
Idk where you are getting this whole "Tier 0 is only Mahlo Cardinal" from, considering there is a character who scales to Woodin ones who is at Tier 0. The tier has no endpoint.
I think you got a little misunderstanding. First of all, if you study Set Theory and the Tiering System, you would know how high Woodin Cardinal's are. Now, there not gonna say there Above Tier 0, Boundless fits the criteria for a Mahlo Cardinal pretty well. Realistically, Woodin Cardinal's are way above Tier 0.
 
Back
Top