Law vs Satoru Gojo(1 VOTE LEFT)

[Dr._whiteee]

Gojo creates a space... And in that space, it's infinite distance... 1. If that space is in Law's room, law can destroy it by cutting it infinitely since the room is already around the space itself the distance won't matter or law just cuts the space which destroys/bypasses it

"The Limitless technique operates the same way convergent and divergent sequences do in mathematics. The Infinity is the convergence of an immeasurable series, anything that approaches the infinity slows down and never reaches the user.[5] This is because the technique takes the finite amount of space between the two subjects and divides it an infinite amount of times.[6]

In mathematics, no matter how many times someone divides a number it will never be reduced to zero. Instead, they will be left with fractional units so infinitesimal it would become immeasurable to their eye. The Limitless brings this concept into reality, so anything that attempts to penetrate the infinitely divide space will slow down to the point of appearing to stop completely"

Room and Room slashes will never reach Gojo because they cannot cross the space. The finite space that exist between Gojo and Room/Room slashes is changed into infinite space between himself and the DF power. Law's room has no feats of handling this type of space, nor do his slashes have feats of crossing these distances.

Law does not destroy space...Stop saying that. He cuts space. Destroying spacetime is a completely different way of affecting space.

Law's cuts do not bypass the factor of distance. This is a fact and his room is the determinant of his max distance. When coming into contact with Gojo the slash and room itself will have to continuously try and breach infinity, which will never happen because the distance always divides. So Law cutting space easily and instantly means nothing. LAw can instantly cut something that is 5 ft vs 1000 ft. But infinite is not a number...so the cut will always keep extending into the infinite distance, never reaching Gojo.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

so the cut will always keep extending into the infinite distance, never reaching Gojo.

Not when it's infinite Speed itself and room is around that space.... Also haki would resist that space as it affects others.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He cuts space.

Yes he does... He will cut/bypass gojos space

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

3 ways Law can affect gojo possibly 1 more

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Actually saying law destroy space is wrong... More like bypassing space which makes it be infinite speed

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Not when it's infinite Speed itself and room is around that space.... Also haki would resist that space as it affects others.

It's not infinite speed, it's instantaneous by nature since there is no travel time. You keep making up new stuff that isn't at all true. Law cannot slash for infinite space.

Resist what? It's literally just infinite space. Law cannot use Haki to bypass having to cross space to get to the desired point, I literally have no clue what you are talking about. Are you trying to saw Law activating his haki would dispel infinity? Cause that's a no.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

What is gojo's starting move if he isn't holding back?

 

[Dr._whiteee]

What is gojo's starting move if he isn't holding back?

It depends. At distance he used purple vs Hanami, vs the fodder dude with the axe he simply contorted his body, and for Jogo he used infinite to win the domain battle. So I'd say Domain Expansion and or Purple.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's not infinite speed, it's instantaneous by nature since there is no travel time. You keep making up new stuff that isn't at all true. Law cannot slash for infinite space.

Tell me, what's infinite speed? You are correct with it having no travel time but what's infinite speed

Resist what? It's literally just infinite space.

Yee that space gets resisted

Law cannot use Haki to bypass having to cross space to get to the desired point

He doesn't need to cross space when haki resist that space

I literally have no clue what you are talking about.

That makes sense

Are you trying to saw Law activating his haki would dispel infinity? Cause that's a no.

No... It would resist it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You keep saying infinite space... It's a space with infinite distance.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Tell me, what's infinite speed?

"Infinite Speed (Able to travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below.)"

Law's cuts are "instant" because there is no traveling distance involved. Not because they have infinite speed. Law cannot bypass an infinite distance with his cuts because his slashes cannot travel that far. It's like saying someone is a teleporter and can travel from Earth to mars instantly makes them able to travel instantly to the edge of the universe. It doesn't work like that.

Yee that space gets resisted

What are you talking about..........What does that mean to you.

He doesn't need to cross space when haki resist that space

Yes he does....Law exists in space always lmao. Law can teleport, but he cannot do so an infinite distance. Law could not walk toward Gojo with his haki up and touch him. He cannot resist the concept of distance lol.

That makes sense

what?

No... It would resist it

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think this exchange is profitable for either of us.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It depends. At distance he used purple vs Hanami, vs the fodder dude with the axe he simply contorted his body, and for Jogo he used infinite to win the domain battle. So I'd say Domain Expansion and or Purple.

Does he have to make that speech before using purple or no? If he doesn't and it's very fast then I'm voting gojo just because he pulls off his win faster and if law dodges or something, he'll just teleport and domain.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Law's cuts are "instant" because there is no traveling distance involved. Not because they have infinite speed. Law cannot bypass an infinite distance with his cuts because his slashes cannot travel that far. It's like saying someone is a teleporter and can travel from Earth to mars instantly makes them able to travel instantly to the edge of the universe. It doesn't work like that.

The space is inside of ROOM... The distance is inside of ROOM.

What are you talking about..........What does that mean to you.

It literally say when something comes close to gojo that space passively activates which has infinite distance making the thing or attack traveling infinitely but haki would resist the space making it not work...

Yes he does....Law exists in space always lmao. Law can teleport, but he cannot do so an infinite distance. Law could not walk toward Gojo with his haki up and touch him. He cannot resist the concept of distance lol.

You are talking about different things... And the concept of infinite distance is only inside of gojos space..

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think this exchange is profitable for either of us.

No... That's literally how it works... You are saying law can't do anything about the distance yet law doesn't need to since he can manipulate the space itself instead

 

[Dr._whiteee]

The space is inside of ROOM... The distance is inside of ROOM.

I'ma keep this short and simple.

Prove room can envelop Gojo past infinity.

It literally say when something comes close to gojo that space passively activates which has infinite distance making the thing or attack traveling infinitely but haki would resist the space making it not work...

Ok now I understand what you are saying and I literally asked you if you think Haki would dispel infinity and you said no...

So prove that Haki would dispel Gojo creating space.

You are talking about different things... And the concept of infinite distance is only inside of gojos space..

No I'm not? By your logic Law can literally put himself in bosu haki and instantly travel anywhere by bypassing space. That is what would be needed to bypass infinity.

Yes....Gojo's space....which surrounds Gojo....Which room and the room slashes would have to bypass to contain Gojo...which they can't because they can't bypass infinity.....

No... That's literally how it works... You are saying law can't do anything about the distance yet law doesn't need to since he can manipulate the space itself instead

Except it's not and you seem to not have a grasp on the terms being used here. Space isn't empty...It's an actual force. Distance is a measure of that space using units.

• Law can cut things in his room instantly given they are in the volume of his room.
• Law's room has a limited volume.

Ergo Law cannot cut across an infinite distance.

Gojo exists with a spatial barrier around him, when trying to approach him through that barrier the force of space will divide infinitely making contact impossible. Law cutting space means nothing. His slash will continue to cut through space, infinitely or until his power ran out. Law would have to have infinite speed slashes bypassing an infinite distance, which is clearly not the case.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Prove room can envelop Gojo past infinity.

That's not what I'm saying... It will envelop the space that gojo has around him

Ok now I understand what you are saying and I literally asked you if you think Haki would dispel infinity and you said no...

So prove that Haki would dispel Gojo creating space.

It won't dispell it... When law uses spatial on haki it doesn't dispel it but it resist/blocks it from affecting them.

No I'm not? By your logic Law can literally put himself in bosu haki and instantly travel anywhere by bypassing space. That is what would be needed to bypass infinity.

Strawman... First time using that word. The SPACE that's infinite is like 2 meters... The whole room will be around that infinite space

Yes....Gojo's space....which surrounds Gojo....Which room and the room slashes would have to bypass to contain Gojo...which they can't because they can't bypass infinity.....

The infinity doesn't need to get bypassed when he can bypass the space itself

Gojo exists with a spatial barrier around him, when trying to approach him through that barrier the force of space will divide infinitely making contact impossible. Law cutting space means nothing. His slash will continue to cut through space, infinitely or until his power ran out. Law would have to have infinite speed slashes bypassing an infinite distance, which is clearly not the case.

That special barrier gets cut making the slash not needing to go through the infinite distance...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Infinite distance doesn't matter when Law can instead manipulate gojos space itself

 

[Dr._whiteee]

That's not what I'm saying... It will envelop the space that gojo has around him

Yes, space which is infinite. Show me Law having feats of that.

It won't dispell it... When law uses spatial on haki it doesn't dispel it but it resist/blocks it from affecting them.

Yes...But Gojo is not affecting Law...Gojo is affecting space itself and splitting it. So how is Law going to stop that from happening with his Haki?

Strawman... First time using that word. The SPACE that's infinite is like 2 meters... The whole room will be around that infinite space

The distance is infinite...Room will be around the space but not encompassing it. Think of pushing a balloon onto a mall army figure, the balloon will contour around the action figure until it pops. Room obviously won't pop but I don't see evidence it will actually affect that space Gojo's body occupies.

The infinity doesn't need to get bypassed when he can bypass the space itself

Yes it does because it creates an infinite distance between the power and Gojo. All Law does is slice/manipulate space. If Law or his slashes hit infinity they will have to traverse a whole new infinite space that is being created. Which will obviously never hit Gojo.

That special barrier gets cut making the slash not needing to go through the infinite distance...

You can't cut the spatial barrier...It's not an armor in that sense that it protects Gojo. the moment something makes contact with the space the space divides and does so ad infinitum. Which is why I have said this whole time that Law being able to cut space is irrelevant as it will just continue to try and breach the new space until it fizzles or continues on forever but never reaching Gojo.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yes...But Gojo is not affecting Law...Gojo is affecting space itself and splitting it. So how is Law going to stop that from happening with his Haki?

No... Its affecting the opponent by making infinite distance... Law teleporting someone is also just affecting space itself yet it gets resisted

The distance is infinite...Room will be around the space but not encompassing it. Think of pushing a balloon onto a mall army figure, the balloon will contour around the action figure until it pops. Room obviously won't pop but I don't see evidence it will actually affect that space Gojo's body occupies.

Look it's a space... Inside of that space is infinite distance, the space itself gets manipulated... It's like saying someone manipulating light can't affect light....

Yes it does because it creates an infinite distance between the power and Gojo. All Law does is slice/manipulate space. If Law or his slashes hit infinity they will have to traverse a whole new infinite space that is being created. Which will obviously never hit Gojo.

It is only one space that's creating infinite distance... That one space around gojo get manipulated which inside has infinite distance

You can't cut the spatial barrier...It's not an armor in that sense that it protects Gojo. the moment something makes contact with the space the space divides and does so ad infinitum. Which is why I have said this whole time that Law being able to cut space is irrelevant as it will just continue to try and breach the new space until it fizzles or continues on forever but never reaching Gojo.

Law won't make contact with the space but manipulate it...

Also doesn't only work on object?

• Satoru can decide what can and can't interact with him based on the object's mass, speed, and inherent Cursed Energy.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

No... Its affecting the opponent by making infinite distance... Law teleporting someone is also just affecting space itself yet it gets resisted

IT creates infnitve distance by dividing the space between Gojo and his opponent. It doesn't actively do anything to Law.

Look it's a space... Inside of that space is infinite distance, the space itself gets manipulated... It's like saying someone manipulating light can't affect light....

Not it isn't, you still have discussed how room's influence is going to breach infinity, let alone his slashes breaching infinite distance.

No, I never said Law can't manipulate Light. He can't cut Infinity away...based on infinity's mechanics and you still have yet to show how room itself bypasses it.

It is only one space that's creating infinite distance... That one space around gojo get manipulated which inside has infinite distance

It is dividing space itself. He is not creating a new space time, he is dividing already existing space between himself and his opponent.

"This is because the technique takes the finite amount of space between the two subjects and divides it an infinite amount of times.[6]

In mathematics, no matter how many times someone divides a number it will never be reduced to zero. Instead, they will be left with fractional units so infinitesimal it would become immeasurable to their eye. The Limitless brings this concept into reality, so anything that attempts to penetrate the infinitely divide space will slow down to the point of appearing to stop completely"

The finite amount of spacethat exist as room or slashes attempt to touch Jogo will infinitely divide and thus never reach him because it will be cutting into infinite space as a barrier between it and Jojo.

Law won't make contact with the space but manipulate it...

What?

Also doesn't only work on object?

• Satoru can decide what can and can't interact with him based on the object's mass, speed, and inherent Cursed Energy.

No, it works on spirit and matter which also involves information. Once again, you don't really grasp what the power does. The projectile or thing in question doesn't matter. The moment the space surrounding Gojo is interrupted it will infinitely divide. Gojo can just selectively allow things he wants to bypass it. It does not actively do anything to the thing or person trying to penetrate his space it literally manipulates space as a whole.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

you still have yet to show how room itself bypasses it.

Gojo space has never worked on something that controls space

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It is dividing space itself. He is not creating a new space time, he is dividing already existing space between himself and his opponent.

"This is because the technique takes the finite amount of space between the two subjects and divides it an infinite amount of times.[6]

In mathematics, no matter how many times someone divides a number it will never be reduced to zero. Instead, they will be left with fractional units so infinitesimal it would become immeasurable to their eye. The Limitless brings this concept into reality, so anything that attempts to penetrate the infinitely divide space will slow down to the point of appearing to stop completely"

The finite amount of spacethat exist as room or slashes attempt to touch Jogo will infinitely divide and thus never reach him because it will be cutting into infinite space as a barrier between it and Jojo.

You keep saying infinite space when it's infinite distance.

No, it works on spirit and matter which also involves information. Once again, you don't really grasp what the power does. The projectile or thing in question doesn't matter. The moment the space surrounding Gojo is interrupted it will infinitely divide. Gojo can just selectively allow things he wants to bypass it. It does not actively do anything to the thing or person trying to penetrate his space it literally manipulates space as a whole.

What types of spirits?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

so anything that attempts to penetrate the infinitely divide space will slow down to the point of appearing to stop completely"

Gets resisted by haki and law's slash has no travel time

 

[SemiRaedi]

@MonkeyOfLife @Dr._whiteee

You two should get an outside opinion on both your arguments since you both can't seem to come to an agreement

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What I say is more valuable than me arguing with even 1m people.

 

[Rez]

Infinity isn't an infinite amount of space if it was Gojo will have high 3-A durability all it is an small amount of space surrounding Gojo that slows anything that comes in contact with it infinitely

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

all it is an small amount of space surrounding Gojo that slows anything that comes in contact with it infinitely

isn't it a space that's inside is infinite distance? I mean if what you are saying is right Gojo's infinity will be in no use... And weaker than I thought it would be

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

isn't it a space that's inside is infinite distance? I mean if what you are saying is right Gojo's infinity will be in no use... And weaker than I thought it would be

No, the distance between an object and satoru gojo keeps getting divided and divided an infinite number of times meaning that the objects get slowed down, he doesn't literally create an infinite space, law can just ignore that space division and attack gojo's real body.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I see.... So I debated all of that for nothing

Couldn't anyone have said before?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I see.... So I debated all of that for nothing

Couldn't anyone have said before?

I told you that law can't do shit to gojo's domain, only ignore it.

 

[Sonicflare9]

how many votes for both

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Infinity isn't an infinite amount of space if it was Gojo will have high 3-A durability all it is an small amount of space surrounding Gojo that slows anything that comes in contact with it infinitely

No, read the explanation provided. Gojo divides the space constantly which will never reach Gojo. It is infinite space because new space will always be divided. The "slowing" has nothing to do with affecting the enemy, it's because they reach infinitesimal amounts of infinite space they can never fully get through and thus appear to slow down.

Not sure what you mean by High 3-A durability, that would have absolutely nothing to do with his durability.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

 

[Rez]

Gojo isn't creating an infinite amount of space the actual space present is still the same infinity is simply slowing whatever comes in contact with Gojo infinitely by dividing the space around him but the actual space is still the same so spatial manipulation can bypass his infinity if it was a true infinite distance he would have been given high 3-A durability because of an infinite amount of distance between him and anything else

 

[Rez]

 

[Rez]

Anyway Gojo will receive some concept stuff later on and this match will become irrelevant but for now count my vote for Law

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Law FRA

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Gojo isn't creating an infinite amount of space the actual space present is still the same infinity is simply slowing whatever comes in contact with Gojo infinitely by dividing the space around him but the actual space is still the same so spatial manipulation can bypass his infinity if it was a true infinite distance he would have been given high 3-A durability because of an infinite amount of distance between him and anything else

Yes he technically is. By taking a finite space and applying infinity he creates a series of infinite divisions in said space. It's essentially like a number line of all numbers. Going from 0 to 1 seems like a small jump, but there are actually infinite numbers between just 0 and 1 themselves. Gojo applies this principle to the desired space and bends reality for space to behave this way. Law's devil fruit influence and room itself cannot simply bypass that infinitely divided space. No one has posted evidence of this yet. Gojo's spatial defense inherently involves distance. If this was a static spatial shield that just didn't like things touch him due to a spatial barrier, then yes Law would be able to ignore it. Law cannot however ignore having room or his slashes have to try and affect the infinite distance.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yes he technically is. By taking a finite space and applying infinity he creates a series of infinite divisions in said space. It's essentially like a number line of all numbers. Going from 0 to 1 seems like a small jump, but there are actually infinite numbers between just 0 and 1 themselves. Gojo applies this principle to the desired space and bends reality for space to behave this way. Law's devil fruit influence and room itself cannot simply bypass that infinitely divided space. No one has posted evidence of this yet. Gojo's spatial defense inherently involves distance. If this was a static spatial shield that just didn't like things touch him due to a spatial barrier, then yes Law would be able to ignore it. Law cannot however ignore having room or his slashes have to try and affect the infinite distance.

Has Gojo's infinity stopped something that has no travel time? Or stopped space slash that cuts space in half?

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Has Gojo's infinity stopped something that has no travel time? Or stopped space slash that cuts space in half?

Nope, which is why I have been focusing on ability interaction. Law has never cut infinitely dividing space, so giving him feats of doing so is not valid.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Law has never cut infinitely dividing space

You are literally changing the name of Gojo's technique, making it not make sense that law can cut it. Gojo has a space that divides space which slow object's down.... That divider gets cut since it's spatial.

Also Armament Haki will also resist it.