Ladybug Becomes 2-A!

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The idea that Gimmi's wish "destroys and recreates everything" while leaving important moments, like Marinette becoming Ladybug untouched just doesn’t add up. If the wish can selectively erase certain events but preserve others, we can seriously question how it actually functions? Also, after Marinette prevents the supervillain from using the wish, every window in the Burrow that disappeared magically reappears. This implies that those timelines were not permanently erased but rather temporarily altered. If that’s the case, it obviously contradicts the idea that Bunnyx’s past could be recreated while leaving her unaffected. If the wish truly altered reality, it should impact all aspects of time including Bunnyx’s existence making the situation inherently inconsistent.

Everything is destroyed but some moments are recreated the same like what happened when Gabriel wished, even Marinette still remembers Gabriel as a villain. Bunnix's past up until the moment of the wish was recreated all the same which means bunnix would have still be Alix but her future would be recreated in a different way than before because of the wish so her future selfs were destroyed.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Everything is destroyed but some moments are recreated the same like what happened when Gabriel wished, even Marinette still remembers Gabriel as a villain. Bunnix's past up until the moment of the wish was recreated all the same which means bunnix would have still be Alix but her future would be recreated in a different way than before because of the wish so her future selfs were destroyed.

But that still raises a big inconsistency. If her past was unchanged and she remained the same, how do we explain the erasure of her future versions?
The fact that her older selves were destroyed means that something in the timeline must have shifted, even if her past stayed intact. If the wish truly didn’t change anything about her, then her future versions shouldn't have been affected. Her future versions clearly know what's going on and have been through the exact same thing as Alix, it doesn't make sense for them to randomly disappear.

So either Bunnyx’s past was perfectly recreated without any changes, which means her future selves should still exist, or the timeline was altered in a way that caused her future versions to be erased, which isn't true because they know exactly what's going on. Leaving us with only the first option making her future versions disappearing a big big big inconsistency.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

But that still raises a big inconsistency. If her past was unchanged and she remained the same, how do we explain the erasure of her future versions?
The fact that her older selves were destroyed means that something in the timeline must have shifted, even if her past stayed intact. If the wish truly didn’t change anything about her, then her future versions shouldn't have been affected. Her future versions clearly know what's going on and have been through the exact same thing as Alix, it doesn't make sense for them to randomly disappear.

So either Bunnyx’s past was perfectly recreated without any changes, which means her future selves should still exist, or the timeline was altered in a way that caused her future versions to be erased, which isn't true because they know exactly what's going on. Leaving us with only the first option making her future versions disappearing a big big big inconsistency.

Her past wasn't changed but her present and future likely were changed maybe Alix would have died at some point before becoming adult alix making it so her 2 future selfs would be erased.
Her future selfs know that 15yo Alix was gonna prevent that wish from happening so they were temporarily erased while the wish was yet to came fully into effect

 

[Ar1216789]

Whats the conclusion on the scaling? Is it 2-A or 2-B?

 

[henryzx900ruly]

henryzx900 watching the movie literally de-rail his entire scale

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Whats the conclusion on the scaling? Is it 2-A or 2-B?

It's still 2-A

 

[henryzx900ruly]

But that still raises a big inconsistency. If her past was unchanged and she remained the same, how do we explain the erasure of her future versions?
The fact that her older selves were destroyed means that something in the timeline must have shifted, even if her past stayed intact. If the wish truly didn’t change anything about her, then her future versions shouldn't have been affected. Her future versions clearly know what's going on and have been through the exact same thing as Alix, it doesn't make sense for them to randomly disappear.

So either Bunnyx’s past was perfectly recreated without any changes, which means her future selves should still exist, or the timeline was altered in a way that caused her future versions to be erased, which isn't true because they know exactly what's going on. Leaving us with only the first option making her future versions disappearing a big big big inconsistency.

the show creating this type of inconvenience is funny

 

[Hixkaryana]

Her past wasn't changed but her present and future likely were changed maybe Alix would have died at some point before becoming adult alix making it so her 2 future selfs would be erased.
Her future selfs know that 15yo Alix was gonna prevent that wish from happening so they were temporarily erased while the wish was yet to came fully into effect

You do realize that makes no sense if Alix was destined to make a mistake her future versions would have never existed.
It's simply an inconsistency that I noted and that doesn't change anything to the scale proposed.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

You do realize that makes no sense if Alix was destined to make a mistake her future versions would have never existed.
It's simply an inconsistency that I noted and that doesn't change anything to the scale proposed.

there's a agenda than I could push if I argue it right

 

[Hixkaryana]

there's a agenda than I could push if I argue it right

You can push it if you wish to!

 

[henryzx900ruly]

It didn't tell us much to be frank, but there are a few things that were pretty interesting;

• 15yo Bunnyx stated that the villain was going to reshape the Universe in a way no one’s ever seen before (this can't be compared to Cat Blanc's because as I said, it was 15yo Bunnyx that made that statement and it was 25yo Bunnyx that witnessed Cat Blanc's work.) She also confirmed it would be the end of the Universe.

• The only visual difference is when Cat Blanc threatened to destroy the universe the windows glitched and Alix was slowly getting erased, in the London Special every window was disappearing one by one and immediately caused the extinguishment of both Alix's from the future.

• Since if every single window in the Burrow was destroyed (which would presumably mean every point in the timeline), 15-year-old Alix should have been affected too, but she wasn’t. This creates a blatant paradox.

This also completely disproves the theory that every window is a different space-time continuum, the destruction of all windows would mean that every single universe and timeline had been erased. In that case, 15-year-old Alix should have been erased along with the other versions of herself, because her existence would rely on the survival of at least one timeline or space-time continuum. The fact that she remained untouched while every window was destroyed suggests that the destruction did not affect her universe in the same way, implying the windows are not separate universes. The future versions of Bunnyx disappearing first, while present-day Alix remained unaffected, indicates that the Burrow windows likely represent past, present, and future moments within the same universe.

ngl even the movie ruins both interpretations.

If we take the first interpretation that every window is a separate space-time apart of the same universe, and each window being a "snapshot" time-space, then when every window got erased teen bunnyx still lives, H O W


But if we look at the other interpretation that if all the windows are supposed to represent the past future and present but then all the windows disappear... Teen bunnyx still lives, H O W

the show just created a paradox

 

[Hixkaryana]

ngl even the movie ruins both interpretations.

If we take the first interpretation that every window is a separate space-time apart of the same universe, and each window being a "snapshot" time-space, then when every window got erased teen bunnyx still lives, H O W


But if we look at the other interpretation that if all the windows are supposed to represent the past future and present but then all the windows disappear... Teen bunnyx still lives, H O W

the show just created a paradox

Well you're just right, Burrow cosmology downgraded to 10-A frfr

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Bruh momento

The idea that Gimmi's wish "destroys and recreates everything" while leaving important moments, like Marinette becoming Ladybug untouched just doesn’t add up. If the wish can selectively erase certain events but preserve others, we can seriously question how it actually functions? Also, after Marinette prevents the supervillain from using the wish, every window in the Burrow that disappeared magically reappears. This implies that those timelines were not permanently erased but rather temporarily altered. If that’s the case, it obviously contradicts the idea that Bunnyx’s past could be recreated while leaving her unaffected. If the wish truly altered reality, it should impact all aspects of time including Bunnyx’s existence making the situation inherently inconsistent.

I mean from what we just learned
bro quite literally just did a csgo trade because we've been building up to this so I think it's entirely plausible that the actual effects of the wish are contingent on what's actually wished (ie: Gabriel wishing Natalie to not be cooked and for that he had to trade his life)

Another thing is that, there could be a possible solution to windows collapsing, rather than being temporarily altered, we can make the assertion that they had some type of destruction, but ojcr ladybug saved the day yada yada they were "restored"

also the burrow is unaffected by wishes

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Well you're just right, Burrow cosmology downgraded to 10-A frfr

human level burrow

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Well you're just right, Burrow cosmology downgraded to 10-A frfr

because both interpretations make 0 sense with the new movie I think it would be slightly more plausible that the writers MAY HAVE or MAY HAVE NOT given teen bunnyx some type of temporal resistance

 

[Hixkaryana]

because both interpretations make 0 sense with the new movie I think it would be slightly more plausible that the writers MAY HAVE or MAY HAVE NOT given teen bunnyx some type of temporal resistance

So teen Bunnyx has temporal resistance to some extent but then she casually lost it when she entered her 20's? I also thought of Temporal Resistance when making my theory but the fact there were multiple Bunnyxes in the Burrow at the same time just makes this a big ass mess.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

So teen Bunnyx has temporal resistance to some extent but then she casually lost it when she entered her 20's? I also thought of Temporal Resistance when making my theory but the fact there were multiple Bunnyxes in the Burrow at the same time just makes this a big ass mess.

or maybe..... In those space-times adult bunnyx didn't actually gain that temporal resistance and the teen one that we see is the only one that did,

I mean one thing we do now know from the movie is that there's probably multiple burrows because we know the burrow doesn't connect you to different universes and we know making a wish only effects that particular universe

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It was made clear that the wish itself takes time to affect the timeline we saw the wish being prevented in 2 different situations both affected by time manipulation snake miraculous and bunny miraculous, Bunnix saw the wish being made many times through the windows of the burrow but none of those actually destroyed all the windows until the moment ladybug actually went through it "in the present", but the future of the timeline was already destroyed after the wish so much so that Bunnix can't see beyond it. It seems the wish affected the future so it was destroyed first. It seems more likely that destroying the timeline affects the time miraculous but not the burrow which is in a different space time dimension that is unaffected by the time on the normal dimension, without the time miraculous working the she can't teleport outside

 

[henryzx900ruly]

It was made clear that the wish itself takes time to affect the timeline we saw the wish being prevented in 2 different situations both affected by time manipulation snake miraculous and bunny miraculous, Bunnix saw the wish being made many times through the windows of the burrow but none of those actually destroyed all the windows until the moment ladybug actually went through it "in the present", but the future of the timeline was already destroyed after the wish so much so that Bunnix can't see beyond it. It seems the wish affected the future so it was destroyed first. It seems more likely that destroying the timeline affects the time miraculous but not the burrow which is in a different space time dimension that is unaffected by the time on the normal dimension, without the time miraculous working the she can't teleport outside

yeah this is probably the case

 

[henryzx900ruly]

It was made clear that the wish itself takes time to affect the timeline we saw the wish being prevented in 2 different situations both affected by time manipulation snake miraculous and bunny miraculous, Bunnix saw the wish being made many times through the windows of the burrow but none of those actually destroyed all the windows until the moment ladybug actually went through it "in the present", but the future of the timeline was already destroyed after the wish so much so that Bunnix can't see beyond it. It seems the wish affected the future so it was destroyed first. It seems more likely that destroying the timeline affects the time miraculous but not the burrow which is in a different space time dimension that is unaffected by the time on the normal dimension, without the time miraculous working the she can't teleport outside

wait a minute hold up, something ain't right

multiple times we get statements about the burrow being the totality of all of time, we also get statements about it having a different time flow, we also know that it's unaffected by the time that occurs within the actual universe.

what DOES THIS MEAN

 

[Hixkaryana]

It was made clear that the wish itself takes time to affect the timeline we saw the wish being prevented in 2 different situations both affected by time manipulation snake miraculous and bunny miraculous, Bunnix saw the wish being made many times through the windows of the burrow but none of those actually destroyed all the windows until the moment ladybug actually went through it "in the present", but the future of the timeline was already destroyed after the wish so much so that Bunnix can't see beyond it. It seems the wish affected the future so it was destroyed first. It seems more likely that destroying the timeline affects the time miraculous but not the burrow which is in a different space time dimension that is unaffected by the time on the normal dimension, without the time miraculous working the she can't teleport outside

The main issue here is that if the Burrow is indeed separate, it shouldn’t reflect the changes happening in the timeline at all. Yet, Bunnyx’s experience shows that the effects of the wish somehow impact her existence in the future. If the Burrow exists outside of time, Bunnyx’s powers shouldn’t be disrupted by changes in the timeline. It seems contradictory that the Burrow is unaffected by the wish, but Bunnyx can’t teleport out because her powers are supposedly linked to a timeline that the Burrow doesn’t depend on.

 

[Hixkaryana]

wait a minute hold up, something ain't right

multiple times we get statements about the burrow being the totality of all of time, we also get statements about it having a different time flow, we also know that it's unaffected by the time that occurs within the actual universe.

what DOES THIS MEAN

There's like zero explanation, there's a clear contradiction in how the Burrow is described and how it actually behaves. The Burrow is supposed to be separate from the normal flow of time and unaffected by universe-altering events, yet it's clearly impacted by things like the wish, the erasure of the future, and Bunnyx’s powers.

The Burrow might not be completely separate from time, but instead, a reflection of the timeline itself. Rather than existing in a different dimension, it could be more like a monitoring station that visualizes time across the universe. In that theory Bunnyx still has access to the Burrow because it’s part of her powers, but her future selves disappear because the future has been erased. However, present-day Bunnyx survives because she’s still connected to the unchanged present.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

wait a minute hold up, something ain't right

multiple times we get statements about the burrow being the totality of all of time, we also get statements about it having a different time flow, we also know that it's unaffected by the time that occurs within the actual universe.

what DOES THIS MEAN

Except if she dies in the normal dimension at some point then all versions after that that went to the burrow never existed. Time still exists and so does the miraculous but not in the normal dimension

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Except if she dies in the normal dimension at some point then all versions after that that went to the burrow never existed. Time still exists and so does the miraculous but not in the normal dimension

would this suggest some type of second time dimension?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

would this suggest some type of second time dimension?

Burrow being a second time dimension seems pretty clear

 

[henryzx900ruly]

There's like zero explanation, there's a clear contradiction in how the Burrow is described and how it actually behaves. The Burrow is supposed to be separate from the normal flow of time and unaffected by universe-altering events, yet it's clearly impacted by things like the wish, the erasure of the future, and Bunnyx’s powers.

The Burrow might not be completely separate from time, but instead, a reflection of the timeline itself. Rather than existing in a different dimension, it could be more like a monitoring station that visualizes time across the universe. In that theory Bunnyx still has access to the Burrow because it’s part of her powers, but her future selves disappear because the future has been erased. However, present-day Bunnyx survives because she’s still connected to the unchanged present.

it seems like a good idea at first but still makes no sense, just like literally everything else we've seen so far

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Burrow being a second time dimension seems pretty clear

To clarify I would be referring to some sort of extra temporal dimension that the burrow would have.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

also guys I think the MIGHT be different burrows.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Stop looking into causality with Bunnyx existence, even future and further future Bunnyx acknowledge that this happening it’s part of the future. So they are disappearing even though the set of events is going exactly as how they went and what allowed them to still exist in the future. The timeline (or timetwist, whatever it is at this point) is running as expected.

That said, without knowing what Lila wished for, there’s nothing you can make out about the wish. We only know that it ended time unlike Gabriel’s wish. Future stopped existing but so did past - nothing existed after Bugnoire hugged Nathalie yet Bugnoire’s conversation with her at the lair, her going to London and the wish being made do still exist despite happening after.

And for the record, Burrow isn’t affected by causality in the sense that portal will not be destroyed by an event not happening. Portals are just window to our linear perception of things, if a change in the past is made the present will be overwritten, not destroyed,

 

[henryzx900ruly]

also guys I think the MIGHT be different burrows.

my reasoning for this is because we already know that when a wish is made and a universe is reset, that wish doesn't effect the other universes.

We also see (now) that a wish only effects the given universe and by extension the windows connected to said burrow, This would mean that potentially in other universes there exists another bunnyx(different holder) that has access to another burrow

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Stop looking into causality with Bunnyx existence, even future and further future Bunnyx acknowledge that this happening it’s part of the future. So they are disappearing even though the set of events is going exactly as how they went and what allowed them to still exist in the future. The timeline (or timetwist, whatever it is at this point) is running as expected.

That said, without knowing what Lila wished for, there’s nothing you can make out about the wish. We only know that it ended time unlike Gabriel’s wish. Future stopped existing but so did past - nothing existed after Bugnoire hugged Nathalie yet Bugnoire’s conversation with her at the lair, her going to London and the wish being made do still exist despite happening after.

And for the record, Burrow isn’t affected by causality in the sense that portal will not be destroyed by an event not happening. Portals are just window to our linear perception of things, if a change in the past is made the present will be overwritten, not destroyed,

what's the conclusion to this

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

As far as I go, I haven’t changed my stance.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

As far as I go, I haven’t changed my stance.

Is every window just the past future and present or is every window a space-time that is linked to the past future and present

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Is every window just the past future and present or is every window a space-time that is linked to the past future and present

As i see it, the latter.

I think they are space-times, and I think the holder tunes them however they want.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

As i see it, the latter.

I think they are space-times, and I think the holder tunes them however they want.

Alright so, I think I should re-make the Cosmology blog to account for the movie so I'm going to need you to summarize everything if you can.

 

[Hixkaryana]

This is too weirdly put to understand clearly, imo they're not space-times cuz during the events of the wish, the disappearance of windows suggests they are interconnected and tied to the same timeline. If they were separate space-times, the destruction of some windows wouldn’t necessarily imply the erasure of all connected windows, as they should be able to exist independently. Plus the Burrow not being what it is stated to be as it clearly still depends on the main timeline to function.

Alright so, I think I should re-make the Cosmology blog to account for the movie so I'm going to need you to summarize everything if you can.

I think you can just pick up every theory we've shared and try to make it make sense because it doesn't really impact the scale anyhow

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Alright so, I think I should re-make the Cosmology blog to account for the movie so I'm going to need you to summarize everything if you can.

I don’t think London supports or discards anything that hasn’t happened already within the burrow. Lila wishes something, and Gimmi does something that destroys the universe and therefore the Burrow is emptied.

Without Lila’s wish or knowledge of what her vision of the universe was, there’s little information of what happened for it to cause collapse in the burrow that did not happened when Gabriel already made his wish at the end of S5 and reconfigured the universe. Part of Gimmi’s exchange is the equal exchange, so for all we know, this isn’t even Lila’s wish but the price she’s paying for it.

 

[REX9097]

Well, since CRT is still acceptable, why do you bother in a discussion?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Well, since CRT is still acceptable, why do you bother in a discussion?

We’re simply sharing and seeing if we can implement more things in the cosmology blog that OP made, we were planning on waiting for the London special anyway.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

So, i think it’s better if I make myself clear about what I’m meaning to say.

imo they're not space-times cuz during the events of the wish, the disappearance of windows suggests they are interconnected and tied to the same timeline. If they were separate space-times, the destruction of some windows wouldn’t necessarily imply the erasure of all connected windows, as they should be able to exist independently.

I’ll say that this is not an unfair interpretation, but goes by the get go that Gimmi isn’t affecting more than one timeline, something the Paris Special does at least imply he’s capable of doing as shown when Edgynette tried to swap places with Marinette and the fact that the Gimmi of this universe is the same being across every other, or well, everything.

Further more, the windows that disappear also met the time period problem. The first window that disappears from the burrow originally (or what we would assume originally) began with the day Ladybug and Chat Noir appeared, but this is also the time Marinette went to retrieve the Ladybug Miraculous.