Kai (Ninjago) vs Cat Blanc (Miraculous Ladybug) [13-2-0] (GRACE ENDED)

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Since when can Cataclysm destroy Energy Beam?

It is fire, not an energy blast though

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Since when can Cataclysm destroy Energy Beam?

In Guitar Villian it was used against his energy based attacks. Cat Blanc's cataclysm should be even stronger

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

By insta-kill I meant attacking (which is insta-kill for Cat Blanc cuz 4-C yk). He starts with either Fire Manip or Spinjitzu

Spinjitsu is dodgable, and same goes to fire manip. Cat Blanc isn't gonna stand there waiting for Kai to strike him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Boreal tried to evade it once his blast got overpowered and it didn't go well

From the clip they were already hit pretty much when tried to dodge so that doesn't mean Cat Blanc couldn't dodge it from the starting distance

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Spinjitsu is dodgable, and same goes to fire manip. Cat Blanc isn't gonna stand there waiting for Kai to strike him

It’s gonna get a multiplier soon afaik

From the clip they were already hit pretty much when tried to dodge so that doesn't mean Cat Blanc couldn't dodge it from the starting distance

Yeah, hence why I voted for Cat Blanc. He dodges attacks and in some time uses his Mega-Cataclysm which is undodgeable and deconstruction-based. Though it does not matter cuz 11 ******* votes for Kai.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

It’s gonna get a multiplier soon afaik

Yeah, hence why I voted for Cat Blanc. He dodges attacks and in some time uses his Mega-Cataclysm which is undodgeable and deconstruction-based. Though it does not matter cuz 11 ******* votes for Kai.

Didn't Ladybug dodged mega cataclysm

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Spinjitsu is dodgable,

No lol, if we let him use it, Cat Blanc gets speedblitzed

and same goes to fire manip. Cat Blanc isn't gonna stand there waiting for Kai to strike him

Maybe for Fire Blasts. Gonna be a lot harder for Cat Blance to dodge huge walls of flames. He can also boost his speed with Fire as shown here and here

From the clip they were already hit pretty much when tried to dodge so that doesn't mean Cat Blanc couldn't dodge it from the starting distance

Kai can use long range blast while moving foward to him?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Didn't Ladybug dodged mega cataclysm

Not that one that was about to **** entire universe!

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

No lol, if we let him use it, Cat Blanc gets speedblitzed

If Cat is speedblitzed then how is this match fair? And I'm pretty sure you can't restrict spinjitsu since that's one of Kai's most fundemental techniques unless it causes him to change tiers

If Kai just dodges anything and moves faster than Cat can react while having the AP to one shot then Cat can never activate his one wincon

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If Cat is speedblitzed then how is this match fair? And I'm pretty sure you can't restrict spinjitsu since that's one of Kai's most fundemental techniques unless it causes him to change tiers

It would be restricted if Cat Blanc had massively higher speed than Kai without speed equalization.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If Cat is speedblitzed then how is this match fair? And I'm pretty sure you can't restrict spinjitsu since that's one of Kai's most fundemental techniques unless it causes him to change tiers

We can just Kai's other wincoins lol. He doesn't always start with Spinjitzu

If Kai just dodges anything and moves faster than Cat can react while having the AP to one shot then Cat can never activate his one wincon

And if Kai can't exploit that range/charging up blast disavantage, its a stomp...

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It would be restricted if Cat Blanc had massively higher speed than Kai without speed equalization.

MFTL+ Cat Blanc Attack Speed after his Mega Cataclysm is ready

Hypersonic with FTL combat and reaction speed. Massively FTL+ attack speed with Miraculous Mister Bug (Comparable to Ladybug)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It would be restricted if Cat Blanc had massively higher speed than Kai without speed equalization.

Cat is faster though with attack speed. Mega Cataclysm can move up to MFTL+ while Kai is FTL, so Kai blitzing Cat Blanc would make the match unaddable

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Cat is faster though with attack speed. Mega Cataclysm can move up to MFTL+ while Kai is FTL, so Kai blitzing Cat Blanc would make the match unaddable

Only R/C matters for this rule tbh.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Only R/C matters for this rule tbh.

These were the combat/reaction speeds. Cat Blanc has faster reactions and Combat speed than Kai without his speed buffs

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

These were the combat/reaction speeds. Cat Blanc has faster reactions and Combat speed than Kai without his speed buffs

MFTL+ Attack Speed is not combat/reaction speed. Literally.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

MFTL+ Attack Speed is not combat/reaction speed. Literally.

His FTL attack speed and reactions is still higher than Kai's. Ladybug and Cat Noir both scale to their reactions in terms of combat speed

 

[Lloydblitzed]

These were the combat/reaction speeds. Cat Blanc has faster reactions and Combat speed than Kai without his speed buffs

That MFTL+ speed feat applies to attack speed, not R/C

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

His FTL attack speed and reactions is still higher than Kai's. Ladybug and Cat Noir both scale to their reactions in terms of combat speed

Oh yeah, because 1.187464c vs. 1.16747433319 is such an insane difference, Cat Blanc would absolutely blitz Kai without speed equalization!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Cat Blanc is actually 4.7c. It's a pretty significant gap

• Cat Blanc splits the moon: 1.187464 c (FTL)

Explain yourself

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Oh yeah, because 1.187464c vs. 1.16747433319 is such an insane difference, Cat Blanc would absolutely blitz Kai without speed equalization!

The rules didn't say the faster character has to blitz, but it still counts

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

• Cat Blanc splits the moon: 1.187464 c (FTL)

Explain yourself

Yeah I was confused since I wasn't looking at the correct feat

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The rules didn't say the faster character has to blitz, but it still counts

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.

1.18+ and 1.16+ are extremely close values, so not the case here. It’s not just “oh I’m 0.000000001 faster so you can’t use speed amp”, it’s more of a “if not for speed equalization, this character would be far faster, but now he struggles against the speed amp due to speed equalization”.

Also Cat Blanc should not scale to FTL feat in R/C in the first place but that’s for another thread.

Yeah I was confused since I wasn't looking at the correct feat

Okay then.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

1.18+ and 1.16+ are extremely close values, so not the case here. It’s not just “oh I’m 0.000000001 faster so you can’t use speed amp”, it’s more of a “if not for speed equalization, this character would be far faster, but now he struggles against the speed amp due to speed equalization”.

Fair enough. I still think the match is a bit unfair due to Kai pretty much blitzing with several means he uses in character but oh well

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Late but Kai fra

 

[BeastJam]

Ehh Kai mid-high diff FRA.