Ladybug Becomes 2-A!

[TheOrangeGuy09]

tracking ERROR, he's referring to the holder in general, not JUST bunnyx

What

The burrow is the totality of all of the timelines in general

"Bunnyx: Minibug, something happened today that caused a major disaster in the future. I'm not sure what it was or when it happened exactly. Nothing unusual to report on your side?"

This statement doesn't exactly prove the conclusion as true as your attempting to assert that within this instance she would be referring to the future future of the timeline which we've already given justification onto why the "future" can just imply some sort of future timeline, which there's no argument against each window actually being some sort of Low 2-C place

Buddy, there is no such thing as “future timeline”. You can’t have your take and eat it. He is either from the future or from another universe, and by statements and narrative it is the former. There is no in-between.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

What

Buddy, there is no such thing as “future timeline”. You can’t have your take and eat it. He is either from the future or from another universe, and by statements and narrative it is the former. There is no in-between.

tracking error (2x) bunnyx isn't the only person who actually uses the miraculous,

"There is no such thing as future timeline" what's going to be the argument for the proposition for why it's actually the case

Also no, all the lore and other things point to my proposition being true

 

[henryzx900ruly]

tracking error (2x) bunnyx isn't the only person who actually uses the miraculous,

"There is no such thing as future timeline" what's going to be the argument for the proposition for why it's actually the case

Also no, all the lore and other things point to my proposition being true

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lady-bug/images/3/3f/Rabbit_Noir_transformation.gif/revision/latest?cb=20221009204744

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

tracking error (2x)

Tracking error is irrelevant to this discussion

bunnyx isn't the only person who actually uses the miraculous,

Cool?

"There is no such thing as future timeline" what's going to be the argument for the proposition for why it's actually the case

Because future is defined as what comes after present and past in time axis of a certain space-time. It being future contradicts it being its own space-time massively.

Also no, all the lore and other things point to my proposition being true

Existence of alternate universes is not a proof of each burrow being its own space-time.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lady-bug/images/3/3f/Rabbit_Noir_transformation.gif/revision/latest?cb=20221009204744

Will you stop posting irrelevant comments here?

 

[ByArrow]

Again, this CRT has already been accepted and a CRT has been opened to scale the characters to cosmology and this thread has already reached 5 pages.

In a few days the London special episode will be released and we will learn more about the burrow in that episode. If after this London special episode you are still not agree the burrow section of this CRT, open a CRT.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Will you stop posting irrelevant comments here?

says "there's other rabbit miraculous users"
posts "the evidence of there being other rabbit miraculous users"
opponent says "it's irrelevant"

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Again, this CRT has already been accepted and a CRT has been opened to scale the characters to cosmology and this thread has already reached 5 pages.

In a few days the London special episode will be released and we will learn more about the burrow in that episode. If after this London special episode you are still not agree the burrow section of this CRT, open a CRT.

true

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

says "there's other rabbit miraculous users"
posts "the evidence of there being other rabbit miraculous users"
opponent says "it's irrelevant"

I don't see how Cat Noir transformation matters here.

Again, this CRT has already been accepted and a CRT has been opened to scale the characters to cosmology and this thread has already reached 5 pages.

I just said why I disagree with each window being its own space-time, and then we started debating

In a few days the London special episode will be released and we will learn more about the burrow in that episode. If after this London special episode you are still not agree the burrow section of this CRT, open a CRT.

Sure

 

[Hixkaryana]

To me @TheOrangeGuy09 is making the most sense.
I don't see how Bunnyx could simultaneously have effect on multiple timelines. + it's stated in her bio: "When Bunnyx uses Burrow she enters a pocket dimension that allows her to view the past, the present and the future. Due to her having the Rabbit Miraculous, she also has the ability to sense anomalies or disturbances in the timeline." Obviously this is contradicted by the London Special trailer because somehow her Burrow can exist even if the universe in which it resides in is destroyed.
2-A shouldn't have been accepted imo

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

2-A shouldn't have been accepted imo

The 2-A that was accepted was the cosmology of the verse regarding the multiverse, not the burrow being 2-A

 

[Hixkaryana]

The 2-A that was accepted was the cosmology of the verse regarding the multiverse, not the burrow being 2-A

That was just a side comment on the overall cosmology which I also don't necessarily agree with

 

[henryzx900ruly]

I hear your rage

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That was just a side comment on the overall cosmology which I also don't necessarily agree with

Gabriel mentions that he could travel to an infinite amount of other universes in Miraculous Paris, and Tikki directly said there are at least billions of universes. At worst the cosmology is 2-B and at best 2-A

 

[henryzx900ruly]

To me @TheOrangeGuy09 is making the most sense.
I don't see how Bunnyx could simultaneously have effect on multiple timelines. + it's stated in her bio: "When Bunnyx uses Burrow she enters a pocket dimension that allows her to view the past, the present and the future. Due to her having the Rabbit Miraculous, she also has the ability to sense anomalies or disturbances in the timeline." Obviously this is contradicted by the London Special trailer because somehow her Burrow can exist even if the universe in which it resides in is destroyed.
2-A shouldn't have been accepted imo

Gabriel mentions that he could travel to an infinite amount of other universes in Miraculous Paris, and Tikki directly said there are at least billions of universes. At worst the cosmology is 2-B and at best 2-A

open a downgrade thread if ur really in so much opposition

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

To me @TheOrangeGuy09 is making the most sense.
I don't see how Bunnyx could simultaneously have effect on multiple timelines. + it's stated in her bio: "When Bunnyx uses Burrow she enters a pocket dimension that allows her to view the past, the present and the future. Due to her having the Rabbit Miraculous, she also has the ability to sense anomalies or disturbances in the timeline."

Thanks.

Obviously this is contradicted by the London Special trailer because somehow her Burrow can exist even if the universe in which it resides in is destroyed.

Why would it contradict? It’s literally a pocket dimension which is supposedly outside of the timeline.

The 2-A that was accepted was the cosmology of the verse regarding the multiverse, not the burrow being 2-A

I mean, blog has not changed at all and STILL uses Snake Miraculous as an evidence although that was adressed eons ego.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

open a downgrade thread if ur really in so much opposition

Downgrade what? I legit agreed on existence of other universes, I disagreed on each window being its own space-time.

But sure, I’ll do it if I care enough.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Gabriel mentions that he could travel to an infinite amount of other universes in Miraculous Paris, and Tikki directly said there are at least billions of universes. At worst the cosmology is 2-B and at best 2-A

I don't remember that statement from Gabriel, is it from Betterfly or Monarch? From what I remember Betterfly's only said he travelled from his universe to Marinette's thanks to Alya, and Monarch tried to tap into every universe that exists, quote "I choose access to any other existing universe"

 

[Hixkaryana]

Why would it contradict? It’s literally a pocket dimension which is supposedly outside of the timeline.

I'm just confused as hell about how the Burrow works. When Cat Blanc used his massive erasure of the universe, it made the Burrow glitch entirely. In the London trailer, the supervillain was said to threaten the whole universe and yet the only effect that had on the Burrow was one window disappearing.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I'm just confused as hell about how the Burrow works. When Cat Blanc used his massive erasure of the universe, it made the Burrow glitch entirely. In the London trailer, the supervillain was said to threaten the whole universe and yet the only effect that had on the Burrow was one window disappearing.

There is a reason why we have Tier 3-A and Tier Low 2-C as distinct.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I don't remember that statement from Gabriel, is it from Betterfly or Monarch? From what I remember Betterfly's only said he travelled from his universe to Marinette's thanks to Alya, and Monarch tried to tap into every universe that exists, quote "I choose access to any other existing universe"

Monarch said it

 

[Hixkaryana]

Monarch said it

Look at 0:24

 

[Hixkaryana]

There is a reason why we have Tier 3-A and Tier Low 2-C as distinct.

I see now!

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Look at 0:24

He directly said infinite of them at 0:09, so the 2-A comes from that

 

[Hixkaryana]

He directly said infinite of them at 0:09, so the 2-A comes from that

He indeed said « infinity of others » but Monarch’s statement feels more like an exaggeration than a reliable fact. It seems more hypothetical than literal, likely meant to convey a large number of universes rather than an actual infinite amount.
Adding to that, if it were the case that there was an infinity of them, there’s no way he could’ve travelled to each and every one of them to prove that point.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He indeed said « infinity of others » but Monarch’s statement feels more like an exaggeration than a reliable fact. It seems more hypothetical than literal, likely meant to convey a large number of universes rather than an actual infinite amount.

Not really. It's a pretty plain infinity statement, there is no real reason to believe it is a hyperbole.

Adding to that, if it were the case that there was an infinity of them, there’s no way he could’ve travelled to each and every one of them to prove that point.

He doesn't need to..? His goal, from what I understand, is to get the wish by stealing main Miraculouses from another universe. He doesn't need all of them: just one pair is enough.

AKA, I agree with 2-A cosmology, but definitely not each window in Burrow being a separate space-time.

In fact, I'll probably make a CRT with a better cosmology blog to fix this despite my limited knowledge.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

He indeed said « infinity of others » but Monarch’s statement feels more like an exaggeration than a reliable fact. It seems more hypothetical than literal, likely meant to convey a large number of universes rather than an actual infinite amount.

How so? There's no reason to think Monarch was Hyperbolic here. I can see a possibly 2-A since he might not be as reliable as Tikki's statement, but I don't see why he would exaggerate here

 

[Hixkaryana]

He doesn't need to..? His goal, from what I understand, is to get the wish by stealing main Miraculouses from another universe. He doesn't need all of them: just one pair is enough.

He needs to beat at least two owners in each universe he goes to, and that’s yet to be seen. He got his ass kicked in two of them and gave up.

How so? There's no reason to think Monarch was Hyperbolic here. I can see a possibly 2-A since he might not be as reliable as Tikki's statement, but I don't see why he would exaggerate here

Yeah my scaling was in the lines of 2-B, possibly 2-A.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

I don't remember that statement from Gabriel, is it from Betterfly or Monarch? From what I remember Betterfly's only said he travelled from his universe to Marinette's thanks to Alya, and Monarch tried to tap into every universe that exists, quote "I choose access to any other existing universe"

"I choose access to any other existing universe among an infinity of others"

 

[Hixkaryana]

"I choose access to any other existing universe among an infinity of others"

You just added that

 

[henryzx900ruly]

You just added that

let me get the clip

 

[REX9097]

You just added that

Monarch mentioned this in a show as I recall.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

I’m legitimately getting tired of this argument.

This is because just in several seconds Cat Blanc will be about to destroy all of the time axis.

This is pure speculation. There’s no “seconds later” in the Burrow, and if we’re going by that the burrow is specifically following the timeline of the things that happen during Chat Blanc’s encounter with Bunnyx, such thing hasn’t happened.

That, plus’s the fact that different attacks from Chat Blanc had already reached the Burrow.

Simple: Bunnix from x point of time enters it, does things, and then returns back in her timeline. Then after some time she is now Bunnix from x+2 point of time, she enters Burrow, and gets back.

What are you talking about? Bunnyx can move time and location back and forwards on her portals without entering them; changing nothing in them herself. This has nothing to with cause and effect, as Bunnyx isn’t changing anything.

They cannot meet because the future Bunnix won’t exist without the past Bunnix coming back from Burrow. It’s the basic cause-effect, c’mon.

What I’m picking here is that you’re speaking about not multiple Bunnyx in the burrow timeline. In which case, what?

“The future" already exists, the Bunnyx of the future will use her miraculous to enter the burrow from the point in the future relative to the present of the first Bunnyx. Even the first Bunnyx should be followed by an uncountable amount of Bunnyx from the same perceived moment but different snapshots.

But okay, let’s buy into this.

What happens with all the other Rabbit Miraculous holders?

don’t get how this is relevant to discussion nor why you can’t simply wait for movie to come out. I don’t think we index things via trailers here.

Literally not asking it to be indexed. I’m addressing your point that Burrow facets are supposed to represent a single time period, which is obviously untrue.

Burrow is not a timeline, bur rather a space outside of it.

This literally doesn’t answer my question. I’m not saying that the Burrow has a timeline, I’m going by the assumption that the Burrow only has a singular timeline followed through it’s facets.

Also

The future is Bunnyx’s present. Again:

As far as the timeline is concerned, Ladybug’s hasn’t fixed her mistake, which is something that can as well have happened in both with the same potential outcome.

Ladybug’s Miraculous Ladybug literally fixes the damage Chat Blanc’s timeline even after it didn’t happened in hers.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

She was starting to get erased just from Cat Blanc being there, because Alix was already dead. Nuking the timeline wouldn't cause gradual erasure, especially since Cat Blanc didn't actually fire the attack

The timeline of Chat Blanc was being erased from a point pre-Chat Noir’s akumatization.

Edit: Know what? Calling quits. I see this running endlessly and I’m not in the mood for this. Let’s wait to whatever happens in the London Special and then idk.

 

[Ar1216789]

Miraculous London is out.

https://miraculous.to/en/watch?s=0&e=05

 

[Hixkaryana]

It didn't tell us much to be frank, but there are a few things that were pretty interesting;

• 15yo Bunnyx stated that the villain was going to reshape the Universe in a way no one’s ever seen before (this can't be compared to Cat Blanc's because as I said, it was 15yo Bunnyx that made that statement and it was 25yo Bunnyx that witnessed Cat Blanc's work.) She also confirmed it would be the end of the Universe.

• The only visual difference is when Cat Blanc threatened to destroy the universe the windows glitched and Alix was slowly getting erased, in the London Special every window was disappearing one by one and immediately caused the extinguishment of both Alix's from the future.

• Since if every single window in the Burrow was destroyed (which would presumably mean every point in the timeline), 15-year-old Alix should have been affected too, but she wasn’t. This creates a blatant paradox.

This also completely disproves the theory that every window is a different space-time continuum, the destruction of all windows would mean that every single universe and timeline had been erased. In that case, 15-year-old Alix should have been erased along with the other versions of herself, because her existence would rely on the survival of at least one timeline or space-time continuum. The fact that she remained untouched while every window was destroyed suggests that the destruction did not affect her universe in the same way, implying the windows are not separate universes. The future versions of Bunnyx disappearing first, while present-day Alix remained unaffected, indicates that the Burrow windows likely represent past, present, and future moments within the same universe.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It didn't tell us much to be frank, but there are a few things that were pretty interesting;

• 15yo Bunnyx stated that the villain was going to reshape the Universe in a way no one’s ever seen before (this can't be compared to Cat Blanc's because as I said, it was 15yo Bunnyx that made that statement and it was 25yo Bunnyx that witnessed Cat Blanc's work.) She also confirmed it would be the end of the Universe.

Except Cat blanc parcially happened in the past so 15yo Bunnyx should have seen it, and Bunnix probably saw the entire timeline past present and future, she just doesn't know events that affect time itself like events that are byproduct of time travel.

15yo Alix being alive suggests that the wish didn't affect the past and Alix still became Bunnyx but was destroyed at some point in the present/future making it so the other 2 older versions stop existing

 

[Hixkaryana]

Except Cat blanc parcially happened in the past so 15yo Bunnyx should have seen it, and Bunnix probably saw the entire timeline past present and future, she just doesn't know events that affect time itself like events that are byproduct of time travel.

15yo Alix being alive suggests that the wish didn't affect the past and Alix still became Bunnyx but was destroyed at some point in the present/future making it so the other 2 older versions stop existing

The wish destroyed every window in the Burrow, which is known to encompass past, present and future. The wish affected all of creation meaning it should've erased everything that ever happened.

And also given that Cat Blanc's timeline was entirely erased, 15-year-old Bunnyx wouldn’t have access to its events. The idea that Bunnyx could have seen the entire timeline, including events from Cat Blanc, contradicts everything in the set narrative that the timeline was rewritten and effectively nullified by Marinette.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The wish destroyed every window in the Burrow, which is known to encompass past, present and future. The wish affected all of creation meaning it should've erased everything that ever happened.

Destroys and recreates everything, Gabriel wish didn't affect Marinette becoming ladybug or Adrien ect, só the wish destroyed and recreated bunny's past exactly like before but the present and future changed

 

[Hixkaryana]

Destroys and recreates everything, Gabriel wish didn't affect Marinette becoming ladybug or Adrien ect, só the wish destroyed and recreated bunny's past exactly like before but the present and future changed

The idea that Gimmi's wish "destroys and recreates everything" while leaving important moments, like Marinette becoming Ladybug untouched just doesn’t add up. If the wish can selectively erase certain events but preserve others, we can seriously question how it actually functions? Also, after Marinette prevents the supervillain from using the wish, every window in the Burrow that disappeared magically reappears. This implies that those timelines were not permanently erased but rather temporarily altered. If that’s the case, it obviously contradicts the idea that Bunnyx’s past could be recreated while leaving her unaffected. If the wish truly altered reality, it should impact all aspects of time including Bunnyx’s existence making the situation inherently inconsistent.