Lady Maria vs Son Goku

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Tie FRA

 

[Theglassman12]

@Weekly ok, and Goku can get back up after being disabled across his entire body

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm honestly thinking it could go either way as both sides are making some pretty solid points.
I'm voting Incon For basically everything stated above for the time being

Know what

Fair.

I lean Maria knowing how she works but

I'm willing to see the Incon.

Incon FRA.

 

[Schnee_One]

@Weekly ok, and Goku can get back up after being disabled across his entire body

That doesn't make any sense.

If your body is disabled, you cannot move

 

[Warren_Valion]

@Warren Goku doesnt have an ap advantage as bambu already explained Maria can stab herself through the torso multiple times and shrug off the damage like its nothing

Maria's AP scales to Rom (one of the weaker Great Ones) keeping the moon in place by existing. Not sure I'd call it super serious either.

The real advantages Maria has are speed amps and tactics far from traditional in Dragon Ball, Goku's only advantage is range he doesn't abuse in character and a negligible AP advantage. Even skill is questionable since it seems he's stronger than those he trained with, not to mention if we're going based on time of things they fought Maria's fought Old Ones.

You and I both know Goku isn't going for grappling. Like ever. Not only would that be horribly stupid and lead to being stabbed or shot (or some similar attack), that'd also be out of character. Like I said, Lifting Strength ain't a factor.

He didn't say that - he said the opposite -although the difference in strength is rather negligible, it does exist.


And why is that more impressive than Goku's stamina?

Later in the same arc, he was able to outmaneuver Great Ape Vegeta - who is numerous times his superior - after using the Kaio-Ken x4 KHH which ripped every muscle in his body apart. Then he got every bone in his body crushed into paste - and while he was out of commission and couldn't move after that - he still lived through it.

I find said feats far more impressive that shrugging of getting stabbed - which honestly doesn't sound too far off from what normal people who are hyped up on adrenaline can do.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Limitless stamina by virtue of being undead > High stamina

 

[Ionliosite]

While I would like to vote Goku, I'll say Incon for reasons above

 

[DragonEmperor23]

"Stamina: Superhuman (Can stab herself through the torso twice and continue fighting as if nothing happened)"

 

[Warren_Valion]

Limitless stamina by virtue of being undead > High stamina

Why would being undead give you limitless stamina?

Plenty of undead creatures get tired.


Anyway, yeah - inconclusive makes sense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Switching to incon as well

 

[DragonEmperor23]

switching to incon fra

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Switching to incon FRA.

 

[The_Calaca]

Wow.

Incon as well for me.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Geez, alright guys just go and change all your votes while I'm counting. No resepect I tells ya.

Incon Grace it is then.

Goku - 0

Maria - 1 (PaulFrank)

Inconclusive - 8 (Schnee, Bambu, Ciruno, Ionlionsite, Weekly, Warren, DraonEmp, Calaca)

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Quick let's change it all again while Apies isn't looking.

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn't make any sense.

If your body is disabled, you cannot move

Tell that to goku, who was capable of pushing himself and attack Piccolo when he tried to blow up the island

 

[Schnee_One]

THAT Scene?

That's not a disabled body, that's you persisting through damage

 

[Theglassman12]

Damage in the form of losing your arm and being unable to get up normally.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

When did Goku lose an arm?

 

[Theglassman12]

His arm got busted when Piccolo sneak attacked him after Goku did his Meteor Crash

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Now, while we're waiting for grace to finish here, can I interest any of you fine gentelmen/women in any of these other matches?

• Kinoko Komori vs Mustard
• Kuwabara vs Vannila Ice (JoJo)
• Stain vs Kirito
• The Thing vs Momo Momozono
• Magane Chikujoin vs Momo Momozone