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@BrackishBrineBroth wait he didn’t give you permission? I thought this comment said it was fine as long as you follow the rules established for editing on the wiki.
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Kyoshi Island Recalc Updates/Tier Change
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He just said "Thank you", I didn't really take that as permission to go ahead.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Calculation seems good from what I can see, but I'm not sure if it got accepted yet. If it was and staff agree to add it, then I have no problem helping out
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Ant gave the go-ahead to add it, Gilad.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Then I'll add it. Seems like every Avatar state level user should be able to do this right?
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Yes. Unalaq's High 7-A rating should also be changed due to matching Korra in the avatar state and eventually defeating her.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Unalaq defeated her due to hax (basically seperating Raava from Korra). Also, considering Wan stomped Vaatu when he turned into the Avatar state, all of them would scale above Raava and Vaatu on their own (Even child Aang. Nothing actually says his Avatar state powers became stronger as an adult)
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I mean, the reason why Unalaq is rated High 7-A right now in the dark avatar key is because he matched Korra in raw power. Not changing it would upset the precedence that has already been set on the site.
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I'm not saying Unalaq =/= Korra, because they literally shown to be equal, but he didn't really overpower her. He just used hax to seperate Raava from her
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Oh, I thought you were arguing against changing his current rating, not simply what I said about overpowering her. In that case, yeah I agree, he used hax that was unique to Vaatu to rip out Raava.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Yes, as well as possibly Raava and Vaatu given that they power the Avatar/Dark Avatar state respectively
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Agreed.
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So you updating the profile?
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Yes
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Finished updating the profiles
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Hell yeah, thanks Gilad.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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You're welcome. Is there anything else we should do regarding this CRT?
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I only gave a go-ahead because I thought that the calculation in question has been accepted by our calc group members as preferable to the old one.
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Can somebody confirm that the new calculation was accepted please, as the comments above made it seem uncertain?
Also, thank you for helping out, Gilad.
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Both of the calcers that evaluated the calc seem to agree that it can be used from what they said on this CRT, but I suppose you can ask them again
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So
Base form = whatever the base form can go
Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar state post-Kyoshi and Unalaq Dark Avatar = Low 6-B
Fused with Vaatu or Raava = At least Low 6-B with likely 6-A Environmental Destruction
I see the changes good to go.
Now, do we need (or have we had) an explanation for
1. Pre-Kyoshi Avatar state standing
2. We only have Unalaq as Dark Avatar state user right? And it is Vaatu matching Wan plus Raava right?
Base form = whatever the base form can go
Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar state post-Kyoshi and Unalaq Dark Avatar = Low 6-B
Fused with Vaatu or Raava = At least Low 6-B with likely 6-A Environmental Destruction
I see the changes good to go.
Now, do we need (or have we had) an explanation for
1. Pre-Kyoshi Avatar state standing
2. We only have Unalaq as Dark Avatar state user right? And it is Vaatu matching Wan plus Raava right?
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I don’t even think we have a profile for any Avatar’s pre Kyoshi so would it matter? Just looked and yeah Kyoshi is as far has the wiki went back in regards to the multiple incarnations of the Avatar.
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1. Yeah, as Mystic said we don't have any profiles for the Avatars that came before Kyoshi, such as Yangchen or Wan.
2. Unalaq is the only person who ever fused with Vaatu, yes.
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Yes which is why the scaling chain may potentially matter for those whose profiles are to be created
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Well, if they ever are created, then the power of their avatar states shouldn't be all that different. As Roku says, the AS gives you the knowledge and skills of all the previous avatars; he doesn't mention power.
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Well he does also say the past Avatars “focus their energy” into the Avatars body which in the contexts of Avatar (or just using the definition) means power/strength or something that can be used for a power boost or to make someone more powerful like this for example. Energy is a term constantly used to reference power and it’s used that way throughout the series. And it’s even stated in Avatar Extras (if that means something to you). It’s fair to say that back during ATLA the past lives did give power, but it was ultimately retconned in TLOK in exchange for Raava as the source of their power as she’s revealed to be the Avatar Spirit.
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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All Avatars should be comparable to each other (and we see Korra being able to fight Vaatu and overpower him just like Wan did 10,000 years before her)
The power of the Avatar state comes from Raava, rather than the human that she reincarnate into, so the power should be the same for all of them
Yes, since only Unalaq merged with Vaatu. Given that Vaatu and Raava are equal (and fighting on an endless cycle each 10,000 years), the Dark Avatar state should be equal to the regular Avatar state
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Oh another calc member. Are you fine with the recalc and the update for the Avatars? (Will you comment on the blog).
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I mentioned that the current calculation for this feat has been accepted to be used instead of the old one within the blog post in question itself.
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Avatar State Kyoshi Island Feat
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You good with it too tho? Or do you have contentions. Just want to know. The more calc group members input the better for the legitimacy of the scale.
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Oh lol
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