Kuuga, Daguva abilities content revision

[Omazio2019]

There is a few abilities of Kuuga and Daguva i found from various sources
-Energy absorption: Able to convert energy into his own power
-Limited-Explosion Manipulation: Only those grongi that have belt explove (This explain why Me·Ginoga·De B didn't explove when he received kuuga finisher)
-Regeneration: It was confirmed by mr. Arakawa that kuuga and daguva regenrate after burning each other
-Sealing: His weapons contain the sealing energy, plus the ancient Kuuga had sealed Daguva so technically Godai can do the same
-Daguva Teleportation: Show here
-Durability negation: Daguva and Kuuga can instantly ignites and burns the target from inside the body
And since Kuuga and Daguva has the same abilities so this will scale to both of them

 

[Omazio2019]

bump

 

[BERRIES555]

Alright, so a few things, firstly, could you show us where you got some of these scans. Cause I can tell you used Kamen Rider Zukan, which is accepted before, but I think it’ll help to show where you got some of the pics you sent.

Absorption looks good

Downgrading Kuuga’s explosion manip seems reasonable enough.

We already have regen

“Sealing Energy” doesn’t actually have sealing properties. We actually see Sealing Energy work in the show whenever Kuuga uses his finishers and a mark appears on their body.

TP is….very iffy.

Dura negation looks good

Scaling to Daguva looks good on paper but other wil have to put their input on that

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Most of these look fine:

Explosion Manipulation being downgrade, i'm not really sure because the text said that the energy interact with Grongi belt then explodes, not that Kuuga need it to conduct explosion. Also, in some movies Kuuga can still make non-Grongi monsters explodes.

Regeneration, it is implied in the fight between Kuuga and Daguva that they would regen from each other attack, matter/plasma stuff included. I would be need to look into it more.

 

[Omazio2019]

Alright, so a few things, firstly, could you show us where you got some of these scans. Cause I can tell you used Kamen Rider Zukan, which is accepted before, but I think it’ll help to show where you got some of the pics you sent.

Absorption looks good

Downgrading Kuuga’s explosion manip seems reasonable enough.

We already have regen

“Sealing Energy” doesn’t actually have sealing properties. We actually see Sealing Energy work in the show whenever Kuuga uses his finishers and a mark appears on their body.

TP is….very iffy.

Dura negation looks good

Scaling to Daguva looks good on paper but other wil have to put their input on that

They come from complete work Kuuga, Kuuga tv asahi official,Shogakkan TV-kun 2000. Can i ask why teleportation iffy?

 

[Omazio2019]

About the regeneration can it be possibly regeneration (High) since daguva and kuuga can set the atoms and molecules burned and they both regenerate from that.

 

[Omazio2019]

Explosion Manipulation being downgrade, i'm not really sure because the text said that the energy interact with Grongi belt then explodes, not that Kuuga need it to conduct explosion. Also, in some movies Kuuga can still make non-Grongi monsters explodes.

Isn't that something relate to crossover stuff? Otherwise i can't explain why Me·Ginoga·De B didn't explove for he is a mutant that doesn't have belt. And also this scan make me think that only Grongi that have belt exploved

★ The mystery of the Grongi Phantom Belt?
When Hikari Ueda analyzed the Ginoga mutant, it was reported that another monster who received Kuuga's Special Move was exploding around the abdominal ornaments. What was the explosive built into the monsters' ornaments (belt buckles)? Records also confirm a monster (No. 12A) that suddenly exploded in front of a police officer. Is there any connection between the exploding monster and the game? Group B No. 1 was pressing a ring against the monster's buckle. Wasn't it to activate that function?

 

[BERRIES555]

They come from complete work ryuki, Kuuga tv asahi official,Shogakkan TV-kun 2000. Can i ask why teleportation iffy?

See, the reason why I think it’s iffy is because it’s never shown in the show. The reason why the Kamen Rider Zukan was accepted was because it was a data book which explained the show or gave further information about missing points in the show. I don’t remember Kuuga ever teleporting.

About the regeneration can it be possibly regeneration (High) since daguva and kuuga can set the atoms and molecules burned and they both regenerate from that.

Well, it could just be that neither of them could transmute the other’s molecules. That’s why their respective transmutation/matter Hax didn’t work on the other.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, thats more like an high resistance than regeneration

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

As for the explosion downgrade i'm in the same boat with James, teleportation seems iffy as well

 

[BERRIES555]

In the novel, it a described Kuuga’s attacks to send energy into his opponents and then causing the explosion. Interacting with the belts might just be a byproduct of the specific monster’s Kuuga fights. Like how we give Kiva Riders soul destruction even though they don’t use it against anyone that’s more a Fangire

 

[Omazio2019]

See, the reason why I think it’s iffy is because it’s never shown in the show. The reason why the Kamen Rider Zukan was accepted was because it was a data book which explained the show or gave further information about missing points in the show. I don’t remember Kuuga ever teleporting.

That script is Daguva teleportation, Kuuga would never burn down city or kill people. The teleportation of Daguva is shown in episode 48

 

[Omazio2019]

Yeah, thats more like an high resistance than regeneration

You should read the regeneration scan above mr Arakawa confirmed that was regeneration

 

[BERRIES555]

So maybe like, when Daguva was transmuting Kuuga, he had no way off targeting the insides of Kuuga like he did with the humans, so we targeted to surface of Kuuga, but he regenerated quick enough for the transmutation to be ineffective. Maybe that could explain it, I don’t know tho. The others can answer that for me.

That script is Daguva teleportation, Kuuga would never burn down city or kill people. The teleportation of Daguva is shown in episode 48

This seems good, thanks for the clip

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You should read the regeneration scan above mr Arakawa confirmed that was regeneration

I dunno about that, considering they just shrug it off

 

[Tripleaccel555]

I agree for revision. Is there a statement about Kuuga and Daguva can destroy Planet or Related to Agito ?

 

[Omazio2019]

I think it's still just Limited-Explosion Manipulation. In Kuuga episode 19 the energy from kuuga finisher spread the ULF 26A body to its belt, the belt shining and then explosion happen while in episode 20 it's still the same situation but ULF 26B (a clone regenerated from 26A hand) just melt. In ep 21 it was confirmed that 26B physiology has nothing different from other grongi just lacking of abdominal adornment so this would imply that the belt is necessary for explosion

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I think it's still just Limited-Explosion Manipulation. In Kuuga episode 19 the energy from kuuga finisher spread the ULF 26A body to its belt, the belt shining and then explosion happen while in episode 20 it's still the same situation but ULF 26B (a clone regenerated from 26A hand) just melt. In ep 21 it was confirmed that 26B physiology has nothing different from other grongi just lacking of adorminal adornment so this would imply that the belt is necessary for explosion

I mean, they don't necessary said the belt was required for explosion.

In the novel, it a described Kuuga’s attacks to send energy into his opponents and then causing the explosion. Interacting with the belts might just be a byproduct of the specific monster’s Kuuga fights. Like how we give Kiva Riders soul destruction even though they don’t use it against anyone that’s more a Fangire

Do you have the scans of it?

I agree for revision. Is there a statement about Kuuga and Daguva can destroy Planet or Related to Agito ?

There is a statement of Kuuga Ultimate would put the end to the world. Kuuga is dubious canon to Agito but i will have to check that

 

[BERRIES555]

Do you have the scans of it?

right here

 

[Omazio2019]

May i ask what chapter it is?

 

[Lonkitt]

I disagree with downgrading the explosion manipulation. Kuuga’s destroyed Gurongi multiple times without even touching the belt

 

[Lonkitt]

There is a statement of Kuuga Ultimate would put the end to the world. Kuuga is dubious canon to Agito but i will have to check that

The canon isn’t dubious. There’s straight up references to the Gurongi and Kuuga in the early episodes of Agito

That said, the only scaling between the seasons is that the Lords are stated to be stronger than the Tier 8 Gurongi

 

[Omazio2019]

I disagree with downgrading the explosion manipulation. Kuuga’s destroyed Gurongi multiple times without even touching the belt

Kuuga doesn't have to touch the belt directly, the energy from his kick will transmit to grongi belt and to every episode i've watched in kuuga tv series their belt broke or shone first then the explosion happened. The melting of Me·Ginoga·De B is kinda proof of limitation for Kuuga Explosion manipulation, don't you think?

 

[Lonkitt]

I don't believe so. Their belts only broke as a result of Kuuga's attack damaging their body. Not to mention, Kuuga's tossed and struck opponents into the air before with them exploding even without any cracks to the belt

 

[Lonkitt]

The proposal for Limited Explosion Manip also contradicts how the power of Rising Mighty's kick is portrayed. The show makes it clear that the explosion from the kick is from Kuuga's own power, but your proposal would suggest its only that large due to the belts

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Here is the summary of this CRT so far:

-Energy absorption: Able to convert energy into his own power

Accepted

-Limited-Explosion Manipulation: Only those grongi that have belt explove (This explain why Me·Ginoga·De B didn't explove when he received kuuga finisher)

Rejected by majority of the supporters

-Regeneration: It was confirmed by mr. Arakawa that kuuga and daguva regenrate after burning each other

Still being questioned

-Sealing: His weapons contain the sealing energy, plus the ancient Kuuga had sealed Daguva so technically Godai can do the same

Accepted

-Daguva Teleportation: Show here

Accepted

-Durability negation: Daguva and Kuuga can instantly ignites and burns the target from inside the body
And since Kuuga and Daguva has the same abilities so this will scale to both of them

Accepted

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So yeah now we need an approval from the staffs

 

[BERRIES555]

I think I’m against the regen too. See, to get High Regen, you need to regenerate from a molecules yes. But in Daguva and Kuuga’s case, they only regenerated their molecules, not from a singular molecule.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well, count me on disagree as well on the regen

I've contacted @Sir_Ovens and @LordGriffin1000 to evaluate the thread (which is why i made the summary above)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Just got off work, so I'm a bit tired but looking at the scans. I think everything is fine but a few things...

1. I'm unsure about the explosion manipulation change. I'm going to leave that for the knowledgeable members.

2. Durability Negation is fine but does it really scale to the other character? The scan says they are similar and have similar power, but does this include abilities? If so, I guess it's fine.

 

[Lonkitt]

2. Durability Negation is fine but does it really scale to the other character? The scan says they are similar and have similar power, but does this include abilities? If so, I guess it's fine.

Ultimate Kuuga and Daguva share the same abilities so that’s why there’s the scaling

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Ultimate Kuuga and Daguva share the same abilities so that’s why there’s the scaling

Ok then, it's fine.

 

[Lonkitt]

Thank you

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Just got off work, so I'm a bit tired but looking at the scans. I think everything is fine but a few things...

1. I'm unsure about the explosion manipulation change. I'm going to leave that for the knowledgeable members.

Majority of the supporters disagreed and rejected the change

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Here is the summary of this CRT so far:

Accepted

Rejected by majority of the supporters

Still being questioned

Accepted

Accepted

Accepted

I agree with this assessment.

For the regeneration bit you're going to have to prove it's recovery and not simply resistance.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I think I’m against the regen too. See, to get High Regen, you need to regenerate from a molecules yes. But in Daguva and Kuuga’s case, they only regenerated their molecules, not from a singular molecule.

^How about this?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

^How about this?

Yeah this makes sense.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Alright, guess we can applying the revision now

 

[Omazio2019]

Ok, i'll start the edit now.