Kusuo Saiki vs All Medaka Box Characters 1 by 1 (speed equalized, Bloodlusted) 5-B reality warping form

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Please don't post so much msgs in a row and try to summarize it in one msg.

 

[Ecetereis]

This whole chapter is filled with 5-B mindhax. Chapter 10 if you're curious.

 

[Ecetereis]

Please don't post so much msgs in a row and try to summarize it in one msg.

Ok, so what do you think?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Nothing I saw there supported it being passive planetary mindhax. Besides him calling it mind control it seems more like reality warping and even then it's based on his thoughts and not passive

 

[Ecetereis]

Well, mind control does control everyone to think pink hair is natural (I think it is like the placebo effect) and here's an instance where he said that he has no control at all and everything from his mind comes into existence. He says it is planetary range. The picture is from Chapter 23.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

... That's the literal description of Reality Warping, making your wishes come into existence.

Obviously reality warping can be used to cause effects like Mind Hax depending the extent of the Reality Warping.

Also Etc, by now you are pretty much just going down the list of abilities Saiki has shown finding something that works and misinterpreting things. First of all, how can you use a passive ability, Turn it on and off, yeah. Suppress it, maybe. But consciously use it? How does that work?

 

[Ecetereis]

He calls it mind control.

This is literally controlling everyone to think pink hair is natural. Even with his limiters on, people still perceive it normal (this was as a child). Also, his powers just spiral out of control and power starts affecting the Earth as soon as one limiter was taken off and people from different nations immediately sensed it. (as a high school student). This thread accepted his planetary mindhax and was added. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2753413


Ask DontTalkDT who is one of the people who said this or anyone else in that thread if you want to dispute this.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Ok, so what do you think?

Please don't post so much msgs in a row and try to summarize it in one msg.

I can't comment on anything right now but throwing feat after feat and hoping it'll stick is not a good debating style. And I don't think Saiki stands a chance.

 

[Ecetereis]

He calls it mind control.

This is literally controlling everyone to think pink hair is natural. Even with his limiters on, people still perceive it normal (this was as a child). Also, his powers just spiral out of control and power starts affecting the Earth as soon as one limiter was taken off and people from different nations immediately sensed it. (as a high school student). This thread accepted his planetary mindhax and was added. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2753413Ask DontTalkDT who is one of the people who said this or anyone else in that thread if you want to dispute this.

This is one post. Planetary mindhaxing them to stay still and not taking action and ripping out their soul is a win. His passive telepathy also has a potency of planetary which can give him insight on what to do. He also has precognition which can kick in.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Insight on what to do doesn't matter when he still gets killed with a thought. He would need to get the information, process it, and then try to do anything. He's dead.

I also have no clue what it's saying in those images, so no planetary level mind hax as far as I care. Not to mention he has no reason to start with Mindhax.

 

[Agnaa]

It may be planetary mindhax, but it's not passive.

 

[Ecetereis]

Insight on what to do doesn't matter when he still gets killed with a thought. He would need to get the information, process it, and then try to do anything. He's dead.
I also have no clue what it's saying in those images, so no planetary level mind hax as far as I care. Not to mention he has no reason to start with Mindhax.

Bloodlusted and it's not about what you care. Dispute it with others such as DontTalkDT if you want. Also, they process information at the same rate which means anyone else has to think about the situation. They have also have no prior knowledge with SBA.

 

[Ecetereis]

It may be planetary mindhax, but it's not passive.

His controlling of everyone thinking pink hair is not unnatural didn't disappear throughout the series. His telepathy is passive in all modes and planetary with 1 limiter off and part of his mind hax as he disrupted someone's thoughts before. Also, he doesn't need it anyways as both parties have to take time to process information and Saiki gains an informational boost via planetary telepathy.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The Five Strongest Characters for Every Tier list doesnt support the bloodlusted rule. So, even if Saiki wins this, he wont enter to the list

 

[Ecetereis]

He has mindhaxed a rule to help a friend which he wasn't bloodlusted and his telepathy is passive. Non-bloodlusted is incon because he has so much starting moves and some will have him take a loss but some will take the fight. His telepathy may enable him to win via both teams needing time to process events and Saiki gaining an informational advantage(non-bloodlusted both) and the characters not erasing off the bat but he is unpredictable.

 

[Agnaa]

His controlling of everyone thinking pink hair is not unnatural didn't disappear throughout the series. His telepathy is passive in all modes and planetary with 1 limiter off and part of his mind hax as he disrupted someone's thoughts before. Also, he doesn't need it anyways as both parties have to take time to process information and Saiki gains an informational boost via planetary telepathy.

Just because an activation of an ability didn't disappear doesn't mean it's passive. Things erased with All Fiction remain erased forever, that doesn't make All Fiction passive.

 

[Ecetereis]

While accepting the above statement, Some scenarios where Saiki could win: 1. Teleporting out of range and cloning and then mindhaxing(only non-bloodlusted win) 2. Mindhaxing (impairing their thoughts) and ripping out soul (non-bloodlusted) 3. Mindhaxing (impairing thoughts) and Teleporting people to space and necroing (bloodlusted) 4. Time traveling and the butterfly effect happens(I'm not sure this one can be counted and this is pure luck) 5. mindhaxing and spam petrifying and ripping out soul 6. Saiki mindhaxes(impairing thoughts) and destroys the Earth therefore necroing (bloodlusted) 7. Erasing their memories and doing all of the above (both) Some scenarios where Saiki loses: 1. He tries to physically damage them (both but more probable in bloodlusted) 2. He tries to run away(non-bloodlusted and only when he doesn't want to kill) 3. Mindhaxing something the wrong way (non-bloodlusted and not probable as he rarely got caught being a psychic) 4. Time traveling and doing the wrong thing(Not sure if this counts again and also luck)

Some scenarios that I'm not sure of: 1. rewinding time on the planet by 1 year 2. Rewinding time on himself by one day when he's damaged or rewinding the opponent 7 years back with damaged limiter.

 

[Agnaa]

He has mindhaxed a rule to help a friend which he wasn't bloodlusted and his telepathy is passive. Non-bloodlusted is incon because he has so much starting moves and some will have him take a loss but some will take the fight. His telepathy may enable him to win via both teams needing time to process events and Saiki gaining an informational advantage(non-bloodlusted both) and the characters not erasing off the bat but he is unpredictable.

Him having moves that will sometimes win and sometimes lose will give him a loss against many Medaka Box characters who just open with things that will give them a win. Like Misogi and a few style users.

 

[Paul_Frank]

From it's description his power is reality warping, just because he says it's mind control doesn't make it not reality warping, from the scans you provided it does not seem like mindhax or passive

 

[Ecetereis]

While accepting the above statement,
Some scenarios where Saiki could win: 1. Teleporting out of range and cloning and then mindhaxing(only non-bloodlusted win) 2. Mindhaxing (impairing their thoughts) and ripping out soul (non-bloodlusted) 3. Mindhaxing (impairing thoughts) and Teleporting people to space and necroing (bloodlusted) 4. Time traveling and the butterfly effect happens(I'm not sure this one can be counted and this is pure luck) 5. mindhaxing and spam petrifying and ripping out soul 6. Saiki mindhaxes(impairing thoughts) and destroys the Earth therefore necroing (bloodlusted) 7. Erasing their memories and doing all of the above (both) Some scenarios where Saiki loses: 1. He tries to physically damage them (both but more probable in bloodlusted) 2. He tries to run away(non-bloodlusted and only when he doesn't want to kill) 3. Mindhaxing something the wrong way (non-bloodlusted and not probable as he rarely got caught being a psychic) 4. Time traveling and doing the wrong thing(Not sure if this counts again and also luck)

Some scenarios that I'm not sure of: 1. rewinding time on the planet by 1 year 2. Rewinding time on himself by one day when he's damaged or rewinding the opponent 7 years back with damaged limiter.

He wins with a lot of ways I can tell and impairing their thoughts can decimate their ranks. The only way he will most likely lose is trying to physically damage him but that's kinda hard to trick him in doing because he has planet level passive telepathy.

 

[Ecetereis]

From it's description his power is reality warping, just because he says it's mind control doesn't make it not reality warping, from the scans you provided it does not seem like mindhax or passive

Check this thread out because mind hax was accepted and dispute it with people who said that he has planetary mindhax. Besides controlling a whole planet to think pink hair is normal is a primary example of planetary level mindhax. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2753413

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

While accepting the above statement,
Some scenarios where Saiki could win: 1. Teleporting out of range and cloning and then mindhaxing(only non-bloodlusted win) 2. Mindhaxing (impairing their thoughts) and ripping out soul (non-bloodlusted) 3. Mindhaxing (impairing thoughts) and Teleporting people to space and necroing (bloodlusted) 4. Time traveling and the butterfly effect happens(I'm not sure this one can be counted and this is pure luck) 5. mindhaxing and spam petrifying and ripping out soul 6. Saiki mindhaxes(impairing thoughts) and destroys the Earth therefore necroing (bloodlusted)

1. Gets insta-sealed by Momo beforehand

2. Not sure

3. All Fiction brings Kumagawa back

4. Inconclusive

5. All Fiction undoes the petrification instantly

6. Inconclusive because Saiki would die too?

 

[Paul_Frank]

The pink hair thing said made colored hair a natural occurence not made people think colored hair is natural

The second one is mindhax the first one is reality warping

But anyways that dosen't matter since bloodlust means Kumagawa and Kurokami erase with a thought which is as fast as his abilities and even if we say the petrification is passive it's undone before they can have their souls taken then they erase time and erase Saiki

 

[Agnaa]

Check this thread out because mind hax was accepted and dispute it with people who said that he has planetary mindhax. Besides controlling a whole planet to think pink hair is normal is a primary example of planetary level mindhax. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2753413

Dude for ****'s sake already.

We know that this is mindhax and that it's planetary, but it doesn't mean that as soon as the fight starts everyone on the planet gets passively mindhaxed into being unable to fight.

It's planetary mindhax, but it doesn't passively incap everyone on the planet.

 

[Ecetereis]

While accepting the above statement,
Some scenarios where Saiki could win: 1. Teleporting out of range and cloning and then mindhaxing(only non-bloodlusted win) 2. Mindhaxing (impairing their thoughts) and ripping out soul (non-bloodlusted) 3. Mindhaxing (impairing thoughts) and Teleporting people to space and necroing (bloodlusted) 4. Time traveling and the butterfly effect happens(I'm not sure this one can be counted and this is pure luck) 5. mindhaxing and spam petrifying and ripping out soul 6. Saiki mindhaxes(impairing thoughts) and destroys the Earth therefore necroing (bloodlusted)

1. Gets insta-sealed by Momo beforehand
2. Not sure

3. All Fiction brings Kumagawa back

4. Inconclusive

5. All Fiction undoes the petrification instantly

6. Inconclusive because Saiki would die too?

1. Out of range of ability? Their only planetary range. Saiki teleports out of the atmosphere and does his cloning there

2. Being soulless=/=dead so I think he can assume until he shows the capcity to

3. All fiction is not instant right now and mindhax prevents from becoming infinite fast by stopping them from thinking that.

4.Probably inconc

5. Not instantly again and takes the same time as Saiki's mindhax(impairing thoughts)

6. Saiki can breathe in Space and has teleportation

 

[Paul_Frank]

Equalizing speed doesn't make all fiction not passively instantly bring the users back

 

[Ecetereis]

The pink hair thing said made colored hair a natural occurence not made people think colored hair is natural
The second one is mindhax the first one is reality warping

But anyways that dosen't matter since bloodlust means Kumagawa and Kurokami erase with a thought which is as fast as his abilities and even if we say the petrification is passive it's undone before they can have their souls taken then they erase time and erase Saiki

Wrong again. He first said he made it so that people thought it was not unnatural and he was amazed that this kind of mindhax affected not only their thoughts but hair.

 

[Ecetereis]

Equalizing speed doesn't make all fiction not passively instantly bring the users back

It means resurrect slower and someone just said All-Fiction was not passive which is a necro because their thoughts are impaired and they're dying constantly. It's also like GER not being able to negate everything infinitely although it is passive.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

1. Out of range of ability? Their only planetary range. Saiki teleports out of the atmosphere and does his cloning there

2. Being soulless=/=dead so I think he can assume until he shows the capcity to

3. All fiction is not instant right now and mindhax prevents from becoming infinite fast by stopping them from thinking that.

4.Probably inconc

5. Not instantly again and takes the same time as Saiki's mindhax(impairing thoughts)

6. Saiki can breathe in Space and has teleportation

1. As soon the clones come back to earth they would be insta-sealed

3. Expect that it is. All Fiction is thought-based. Besides, the moment Kumagawa dies in space he would come back, period.

5. Its instantaneous. It would be an inconclusive because as soon as Kumgawa gets out of the petrification, two thought-based actions (Saiki mindhax and All Fiction) would activate.

6. This is another incon actually, because his mindhax and All Fiction would activate at the same time again.

 

[Ecetereis]

1. Out of range of ability? Their only planetary range. Saiki teleports out of the atmosphere and does his cloning there

2. Being soulless=/=dead so I think he can assume until he shows the capcity to

3. All fiction is not instant right now and mindhax prevents from becoming infinite fast by stopping them from thinking that.

4.Probably inconc

5. Not instantly again and takes the same time as Saiki's mindhax(impairing thoughts)

6. Saiki can breathe in Space and has teleportation

1. As soon the clones come back to earth they would be insta-sealed
3. Expect that it is. All Fiction is thought-based. Besides, the moment Kumagawa dies in space he would come back, period.

5. Its instantly. It would be an inconclusive because as soon as Kumgawa gets out of the petrification, two thought-based actions (Saiki mindhax and All Fiction) would activate.

6. This is another incon actually, because his mindhax and All Fiction would activate at the same time again.

1. they're not dumb enough with planet ranged telepathy and can take her by surprise unless she has telepathy. He's capable of blanking his mind and using his powers. Does planetary time reverse work on this ability?

3. His mind is impaired and keeps dying in space forever

5.Petrification undo and EE/ infinite speed vs mindhax which is one action and petrifying comes without thinking

6. This is inconc in bloodlusted

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Etc, for the love of God follow my advice and actually take a goddamn second to think what you are saying. You are telling me that Saiki using telepathy, meaning reading her mind, his brain interpreting that and then thinking, is faster than her just thinking from the first moment and instantly sealing them. It's not, thinking is much faster, obviously, than reading someone's mind and then thinking. He loses that one.

Nothing tells us Saiki starts with mindhax among all his options, and even if he does it's inconclusive against everyone that kills him with a thought because they both use their powers in turn 1, so that's like 4 or 5 options he has no reason to go for and that don't actually let him win. Memory erasing is the same if it's thought based, if not he still dies.

And Saiki STILL needs to start with any of this to even get an inconclusive, when he has no reason to start with them. So he loses in more situations than he wins.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

How does Saiki even get around Nothing? Any form of direct attack is useless

 

[Agnaa]

How does Saiki even get around Nothing? Any form of direct attack is useless

Probably with reality warping/mindhax.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah, but they would have to do them indirectly. Any form of directly focussed reality warping or mind hax will be useless.

 

[Ecetereis]

His mind reading is passive so he'll take the same time as them to analyze the situation as they are. It only grants him a passive knowledge advantage. He does everything based on telepathy as well so he'll make the right choice as he is genius level in intellect. Also, one of his leading moves is teleporting away and analyzing the situation. He takes a lot of non-bloodlusted fights due to leading with teleportation and analyzing and then acting on judgement that is genius level

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Not gonna lie but I feel like you're overestimating mind reading here.

His literal ability only tracks what they're currently thinking of and offers no insight on their power until they use that power.

 

[Ecetereis]

They're definitely thinking about how to kill Saiki and their powers if they intend to use them.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Reading the minds of Minus is already gonna **** him over

 

[The_Causality]

Reading the minds of Minus is already gonna **** him over

True

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

I never got into Saiki Kusuo no Psi Na but has Saiki ever gotten damaged in anyway shape or form throughout his series?