Kratos vs Nui Harime

[Kepekley23]

Also, Nui's clones are a perfect opportunity to show off the effects of Charon's Wrath. Once it latches into someone, it spreads to the next person who is within melee range, and the next, and the next instantly.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

You described it as a projectile threads correct? I don't see why he wouldn't see them unless that have some special traits.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Sigurd Theyre not projectiles, theyre invisible, and guys with stupidly good enhanced senses and passive information analysis couldnt sense them

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep What does Charon's Wrath do?

 

[Kepekley23]

Target the life energy directly and absorb it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nui's clones dont have life energy, theyre quite literally just strips of fabric

 

[Kepekley23]

In that case, they all get destroyed by the fires normally.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, considering they are manifestations of the Life Fiber, which is a sentient organism, I really doubt they don't have some kind of energy, even if not "life" energy per se, that is feeding into them to make them function.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

So they're invisible,does Kratos not have extrasensory perception or enhanced senses? If he doesn't that will be an issue.

 

[Kepekley23]

Nui herself also has no counter to Charon's Wrath, since she doesn't resist lifeforce absorption and the flames can simply keep spreading to anything that is close to her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep Implying Kratos gets a chance to use it before Nui oneshots him or mind haxes him

 

[Axl233]

^Speed is equalised thats why,Kratos hax her to death.

 

[Kepekley23]

Nui can't one shot here. The Sun Shield will easily block her attacks. Not to mention I want scans that prove she uses her threads to mindhax right away as opposed to trying to immobilize, create clones, etc. Because her reddit RT only includes 3 or 4 instances of her using her mind hax, and that's to control large crowds. So, until proven otherwise, she won't be using it for a while.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

So they're invisible,does Kratos not have extrasensory perception or enhanced senses? If he doesn't that will be an issue.

^

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep He tried to use mind hax against the Elite Four and Satsuki while fighting Ryuko

Most of her fights have her lead with clones or use them very early in a fight

There's also her acupuncture which can and will paralyze Kratos if she uses it on him

 

[Kepekley23]

The threads are invisible, but are still physical (and even if they weren't, Kratos can target non corporeals and intangibles), so he can destroy them with his magics that don't hang onto AP, like Charon's Wrath (which spreads, as I said)

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Sure but he can't see or detect them..

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep That doesnt give him the ability to see or detect them

 

[Kepekley23]

He doesn't need to, he just needs to use it on her and it will spread to everything else in the range.

 

[Axl233]

Dint Kratos sensed Persius while he was invisible in their fight?could he not do the same here?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep And that implies that he hits her with it whereas she just needs to touch him with one thread he cant see or detect and he's instantly haxxed

 

[Kepekley23]

@Axl233

Perseus was arrogant as shit and kept yelling where he was to the high heavens to mock Kratos, so it's not really an invisible tracking feat for him.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I don't understand,how will Kratos know about the threads if he has no way to see them?

How will the AOE spread to invisible threads? what is it homing on?

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, Kratos is only one opponent. All the instances of Nui using her mindhax was against several groups of people at once to bring the numbers to her side, so she won't be using it right away, at all. If you say she will, you need to post scans proving so.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Sigurd

Being invisible, again, doesn't mean they aren't physical, and again, even if they weren't, Kratos can target that which is not physical.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Also, Kratos is only one opponent. All the instances of Nui using her mindhax was against several groups of people at once to bring the numbers to her side, so she won't be using it right away, at all. If you say she will, you need to post scans proving so.

Uh, Ryuko... When she came back only to get stuffed into Junketsu

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

And again,I understand he can interact with the threads.But how is he going to do that if he won't know where they are or of their existence at 1st?

 

[Kepekley23]

@Graf

That was both her and Ragyo

 

[Kepekley23]

@Sigurd

Bcause said threads surround Nui. All he needs to do is fire at her and it will spread to the targets.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I see,I suppose that is plausible then so i'll still vote Kratos.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep The threads dont surround Nui though

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And again you act like he's going to instantly lead with the one ability that can do this when he has a ton of other abilities that he's just as likely to lead with which will lead to him being mind haxxed

 

[Kepekley23]

Yes they do, they're literally inches away from her and they all connect with each other.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No they dont, theyre spread across the entire battlefield. Never once has she used mind stitch threads to surround herself

 

[Schnee_One]

Okay so how is Kratos to deal with being swarmed with dozens if not hundreds of clones of Nui all as strong as himself?

How are they as strong as himself? The clones are much weaker then Nui

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Garg the clones are able to fight against the Elite four and Kratos is low end 7-B physically so really theyre much stronger than him

 

[Kepekley23]

You are acting like she will lead with mindhax when she has several uses for her threads and has only used mindhax roughly 4 times in the entire series according to her respect thread, three of which involved being surrounded by big crowds, which won't happen here.

Kratos does not lead with his hax. However, as soon as she starts to use her thread and begins to immobilizes him, he is likely to use the Oath Stone of Orkos to escape the threads and create a clone that will stay in his place, and start to be much more wary of Nui.

He also has the Amulet of Uroborus, which she can't do anything about if he decides to use.

 

[Kepekley23]

Once again, what Kratos is physically is irrelevant. He is instantly equipped with the Gauntlet, which is over a meter and covers his entire attacking arm, and the Sun Shield, which can expand once it is taken out. This is canon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep Nui does not have any other uses for Mind Stitch threads, theyre literally only used for mind hax and nothing else. She has not used mind hax on crowds ever, only against small groups and single opponents. The one who used mind hax in a crowd is Ragyo not Nui.

Kratos will not know she's using her threads and acupuncture as her threads are invisible and undetectable by what he has and she is able to use acupuncture to stealthily that Ryuko wasnt able to realize that her entire body was covered in needles until she couldnt move and Nui pointed it out to her. I dont know what you mean by escaping the threads, Nui doesnt have any offensive thread-based attacks.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Voting Nui for Weekly's points. Kratos won't know about the threads until she says GG no re.