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Kratos vs Nui Harime

@Kep She wont use it right away, but the scan you just posted is of her using it after taking one attack
 
Now you post scans of Kratos leading out the gate with the one specific thing you say he'll lead with when he's just as likely to lead with anything else in his arsenal
 
My dude your entire argument is centered around him leading out the gate with Charon's Warth, post scans or Nui wins via mind hax
 
If he doesnt lead with Charon's wrath right away he either gets oneshot in cqc, paralyzed, clone swarmed, or mind haxxed before he gets a chance to use any of his actual hax
 
I never said that.

He also has the Amulet of Uroborus, which she has zero counters to.

> he either gets oneshot in cqc

Third time now, this is absolutely false and I've already debunked it. He has both the Sun Shield and the Gauntlet of Zeus equipped all the times and they are big. Getting a hit on his actual body will be a nightmare for her, and getting hit by the gauntlet nearly as big of one.

> paralyzed

If only she landed a hit on his actual body with the Acpunture

> or mind haxxed

Not what she leads with in character either.

He can either time stop or suck her life force away. He has two options and she can't counter either. Her only way of winning this is her mindhax, which isn't going to be used right away.
 
He can also call in a tornado to crystallize her, which she has no resistance to.
 
Yes you did. Multiple times in fact.

He has to hit her with the projectile from the Amulet, something she can very easily dodge.

No, it is absolutely true. Nui is stupidly skilled and precise in cqc, having been able to oneshot a massive suit of armor by striking the thread thin weak point while the guy inside had omnidirectional vision, stick ryuko's body full of acupuncture needles without her noticing, and replace herself with a clone to fake Sanageyama into attacking her with full force when in reality she was nowhere near him. A shield isnt going to save Kratos in any way, shape, or form on top of it being less durable than her AP.

Yes, she will be landing hits on him. Kratos could be wearing full body armor and she'd still be able to land hits on him inside it.

Fair point but she will still use it early on in the fight if she doesnt oneshot from the start.

Timestop can be dodged and life force can be blocked by clones. He also has dozens of options that he is just as likely to lead with that wont do anything to Nui. Mathematically speaking Nui is more likely to mindhax before he haxes her just from that alone.
 
> Timestop can be dodged

Has a range of a full kilometer in actual cutscenes and speed is equalized. Not happening. It is not even projectile based, where are you even getting that from?

> life force can be blocked by clones

The clones help Charon's Wrath hit by spreading endlessly to every single person in the batflefield as soon as a single one is hit.

> No, it is absolutely true. Nui is stupidly skilled and precise in cqc, having been able to oneshot a massive suit of armor by striking the thread thin weak point while the guy inside had omnidirectional vision, stick ryuko's body full of acupuncture needles without her noticing, and replace herself with a clone to fake Sanageyama into attacking her with full force when in reality she was nowhere near him. A shield isnt going to save Kratos in any way, shape, or form on top of it being less durable than her AP.

So, does she summon a swarm of clones or not? Because as soon as Kratos sees that horde he is going to use Charon's Wrath and watch the chain reaction unfold. He canonically has the mindset of using his large AOE hax whenever he sees a large swarm of monsters as I've proven before, it won't be different with dozens of her clones.

A shield is obviously going to help Kratos here. She isn't going to use any of that right away. They will test each other before proceeding on with any actual hax, and Kratos had experience with carefully timing teleporters who were faster than him and tried to catch him off guard even before Chains of Olympus, let alone Nui who isn't one. At best, she manages to strike one of his points right at the beginning, which will make him even more wary of her and use his hax.
 
Nui also does not have the advantage here, she scales to at least 500+ megatons while Kratos scales to at least 600 megatons. At most they are equal.
 
@Kep Nui scales to being slightly weaker than Ryuko and Satsuki who are borderline High 7-A
 
Her profile justifications says she casually beats 4 105 megatons character at once. Where does "borderline High 7-A" come from?
 
Our real electricity standards are also being revised and it's agreed that a large current of electrons in the internal body should disrupt some of the internal organs and be a half-assed Durability Negation. Guess who has an ability that would qualify for real electricity.

So, Kratos can crystallize, absorb her lifeforce (and if it lands it's over for her and she has no counters), time-stop (also no counters), possibly disrupt her heart. She can maybe mindhax at one point in the fight, or paralyze if she manages to land a hit from a blind spot.
 
@Kep No actually they dont have the same justification as Ryuko and Satsuki scale to being stronger than the combined Mk 3 elite four who extremely casually oneshot Nui clones and combat covers which are exponentially stronger than regular covers who stomped their Mk 2 forms which were undamaged by a 105 megaton attack
 
@Kep Its a good thing Nui doesnt have normal internal organs due to being a Life Fiber organism
 
@Kep

Basically it goes like this

Nui is weaker then Ryuko, who Stomps the elite four, who individually stomp 6 covers at once, each cover can stomp someone who tanked a baseline attack
 
@Kep I also like how youre just ignoring the fact that Kratos has dozens more abilities that he is just as likely to lead with that will end up getting him haxxed or killed

Nui was able to sneak attack a guy with no blind spots
 
@Garg in her first appearance in the show, she managed to sneak attack Sanageyama, and did so later in the series as well against his Mk 3 uniform while also sneak attacking inumuta at the same time
 
Actually yet another of Kratos's only abilities in Ascension (the Soul of Hades) is being revised and would possibly qualify for Transmutation, although we don't know how in character that would be.

So nearly everything he would plausibly lead with in character will work.
 
Attacking someone from the front isn't a sneak attack. She speedblitzed him
 
Scans of it having that much range because from when i played the game it most certainly does not have that much range and his profile does not state that it has that much range.

The clones arent alive so no they wont help Charon's Wrath.

No, she does not always lead with clone summoning but she can summon them at a moment's notice if she wants to.

A shield isnt going to help here at all when she's precise enough to pressure point a full suit of armor which is >>>>>>>>>> A single direction shield as well as pressure point a whole person's body mid combat without them noticing.
 
What he definitely wouldn't lead with:

  • Eyes of Truth (not offensive hax and he only uses it if he falls under something he knows to be an illusion in character)
  • Light of Dawn (Only useful against demons)
What he can lead with that is useful

  • Arms of Hades
  • Charon's Wrath
  • Amulet of Uroborus
  • Ice of Poseidon
Literally, he is far more likely to win here than she is.
 
  • How are the Arms going to help him here...? Nui can very easily destroy them.
  • Charon's Wrath gets clone blocked
  • Still waiting for scans of it having kilometers range
  • How exactly is th eIce of Poseidon going to help him here?
 
Kratos is able to pull off the Lantern of Delos off the bottom of the sea with the Amulet of Uroborus while he is standing on the statue of Apollo, which is immense. She is never dodging it.

The Life Fiber is a sentient organism and the clones are manifestations of it, so yeah, they are. Even if they weren't, it'd spread either way until it reached her, a person which it'd work in. Canonically, it latches and spreads. Nothing is said about it needing to work for it to spread.
 
Life fibers are a race of aliens not a single organism. Scans of it being able to spread across long distances please.

No it doesnt, it freezes them allowing Kratos to shatter them. Nui can easily regenerate from that
 
@Weekly

I said sentient organism, not single. The clones are manifestations so they clearly have some sort of energy powering them.

The ability works by spreading from person to person once it has latched onto someone. If there is an enemy close to another enemy that has CW, it will latch onto that person too and so on. That's how it works.
 
> No it doesnt, it freezes them allowing Kratos to shatter them

Crystallization also means freezing, dude.
 
Um no, crystallization and freezing are two very different things. Crystallization implies turning matter into crystals ala matter manip or transmutation. Freezing is just powerful ice manip.
 
...No. Crystallization also means strong freezing. Literally first paragraph of the Wikipedia page.

Anyway and regardless of this, what is Nui's best High-Mid range feat? Because stuff like the Souls of Hades can vaporize what they hit, and an explosion from the Fire of Ares would melt most of that ice on contact. Remember, ice melts at pretty low temperatures.
 
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